[paradox]

It shouldn't be an all or nothing proposition. You keep the good and move on from the bad. That's life.

The good aspects from Trump will be major issues in the next election. Unemployment should be very high along with a slow economy. If Trump removes the knife that he put in Pence's back, then bringing back the Trump economy and commitment to the constitution are powerful things to run on. But, Trump, of course, is completely unpredictable, and he appears to be in self-destruction mode. He needs to be loyal to the guy most loyal to him and move forward.

[stokesjokes]

You can keep the good policy-wise, but the Democrats will rip to shreds anyone connected to the current administration

[paradox]

They will do that to anyone, because that's what they do. Trump is still probably needed in some way in order to win in the Rust Belt.

[Jonathan Carone]

The alternative is that enough people stay as Trump loyalists that the party splits and we see Democrat control for a decade before whichever Conservative party emerges is organized enough to start competing.

There's an idea being floated that I'm really interested in:

The ultra conservatives in the Republican Party (Trump Republicans) forming something like the Patriot Party (or whatever they want to call it). This allows the moderate/compassionate conservative (Bush/McCain/Romney Republicans) to have their version.

In response, the Democratic Party splits into two parties with the Progressives (Bernie/Warren/AOC) on the far end and your more moderate liberals as well.

Take the four parties, add in ranked choice voting and term limits, and my goodness we might be able to save this thing.

[TH Spangler]

JC in that scenario I land wherever Mike Pompeo does. I hear he, Pence and Manchin are in charge now.

[Jonathan Carone]

You can keep the good policy-wise, but the Democrats will rip to shreds anyone connected to the current administration

If you were an outspoken supporter of Trump, I don't see any way you have a shot in four years. The Republicans' best chance is to run a boring candidate with good policy that doesn't rile up the left. If it's someone they don't care about, they won't be nearly as motivated to vote while the right will be to keep Kamala from becoming president.

[paradox]

GOP should be able to win on the economy alone. However, they won't be able to win with Trump on and ticket and they know that.

[TH Spangler]

You can keep the good policy-wise, but the Democrats will rip to shreds anyone connected to the current administration

If you were an outspoken supporter of Trump, I don't see any way you have a shot in four years. The Republicans' best chance is to run a boring candidate with good policy that doesn't rile up the left. If it's someone they don't care about, they won't be nearly as motivated to vote while the right will be to keep Kamala from becoming president.

The Hillary effect

[TH Spangler]

For most the next election will be about higher wages, which requires an organized imagration policy, jobs, healthcare and communist China.

For me add, religious freedom, pro life, middle east policy. Any polices that strengthen American families.

[alabama24]

the right will be to keep Kamala from becoming president.

You mean “keep her from being re-elected.” No conspiracy theory, but I have a hard time imagining Biden lasting 4 years. I see him resigning at some point.

[Jonathan Carone]

the right will be to keep Kamala from becoming president.

You mean “keep her from being re-elected.” No conspiracy theory, but I have a hard time imagining Biden lasting 4 years. I see him resigning at some point.

That's a very fair thought. It was one of the biggest issues I worked through trying to determine if I'd vote for Biden or not, if not the biggest.

[TH Spangler]

The alternative is that enough people stay as Trump loyalists that the party splits and we see Democrat control for a decade before whichever Conservative party emerges is organized enough to start competing.

There's an idea being floated that I'm really interested in:

The ultra conservatives in the Republican Party (Trump Republicans) forming something like the Patriot Party (or whatever they want to call it). This allows the moderate/compassionate conservative (Bush/McCain/Romney Republicans) to have their version.

In response, the Democratic Party splits into two parties with the Progressives (Bernie/Warren/AOC) on the far end and your more moderate liberals as well.

Take the four parties, add in ranked choice voting and term limits, and my goodness we might be able to save this thing.

Believe it or not I could vote Ric Grenell for potus. Which group do you put him in.

To be clear I beleive in traditional marriage period. And he would have to agree to protect my religious freedoms. Leave Christian schools and churches alone. Once that's established he's spot on as far as what needs fixing in DC.

[JK37]

Did Pence not do enough to sever himself from Trump this week?

[Jonathan Carone]

Did Pence not do enough to sever himself from Trump this week?

Not after enabling it for four years.

[Purple Haize]

Did Pence not do enough to sever himself from Trump this week?

Nothing will ever be enough for the Never Trump crowd. Purity oaths will be next

[rtb72]

Did Pence not do enough to sever himself from Trump this week?

Not after enabling it for four years.

Outside of the demeanor and saltiness that he couldn't control...what did he enable, specifically?

[rtb72]

GOP should be able to win on the economy alone. However, they won't be able to win with Trump on and ticket and they know that.

This is very accurate, but they also won't be able to win without him in many areas. Sort of concerning that a single person wields that kind of influence, no matter who it is.....but I believe it is true, as he will remain vocal in politics considering he knows he has a following. I expect him to be very active against many who he feels betrayed him. That's just typical Trump. Not many folks I know hold grudges like him.

[Purple Haize]

All the talk I heard for 4 years about how Trump and his supporters being Facist I don’t recall them banning any speech. But in Bidens America....

[stokesjokes]

[Purple Haize]

Check David’s history on the topic. Not the best source reference

People who and advocate for throwing gay men off of buildings get a voice on Twitter but not Trump
The person in charge of committing a genocide currently is allowed on Twitter
The individual who is calling on billions of people to destroy a sovereign nation and Death to America is more Twitters speed than the President of the United States.
Nice try Frenchy. Nice Try Twitter.

[paradox]

I don't know why we keep talking about French. I mean, he seems like a good guy and all, but he's not exactly an authority on any subject.

[thepostman]

I think that taking Trump off of Twitter without taking off leaders of countries that ban Twitter is extremely hypocritical but it is their company and they are free to run it as they feel fit. Having an account on twitter isn't a right. I am not sure why people seem to think it is. A Sea of Red could ban anybody they wanted to if they felt inclined. They won't, don't worry

Also, getting rid of section 230 protection will only make it worse. It is insane that is the route people want to go. Getting rid of section 230 protection won't just hurt social media companies but little message boards like this. Social media and interaction online as we know it would become even more restricted.

Once upon a time it wasn't legal for government officials to use their social media accounts to push their agenda for numerous reasons. One, it wouldn't be official record and two, they would be using their social media platform to build their brand and profit off of their public office. I don't know if that just stopped being enforced or was removed but at this point, they all do it.

I will say it again, if Twitter is going to take these steps they need to ban any leader or any country who bans twitter. That is just a start. There are plenty of people way worse than the President that have a voice on Twitter that probably shouldn't.

[Purple Haize]

Is Twitter a Platform or Publisher. That’s the legal limbo Could it be considered a Monopoly along with Facebook? I’m all for free market competition but that may not be possible in this case

[thepostman]

But those are different arguments. Platforms and publishers are free to decide who does and doesn't get a voice using their medium.

The monopoly piece is an interesting one but that is an area I am not as familiar with. I don't think either qualifies as one but Facebook is much closer to one than Twitter.

[paradox]

I think that I heard something to the effect of Google (android) shutting down Parler and Apple threatening to do so.