[thepostman]

That doesn't make it easily provable. If you could point to a study that asked more than just a handful of people then maybe I'd buy it.

Also there are young earth and old earth creationists. That doesn't determine ones Christianity.

[Tnobes]

It doesn't determine their salvation but it does determine if they believe what the Bible says. If God lied to us from the very first chapter, then when did he start telling the truth? If they believe in an old earth they aren't getting that from scripture, they are getting it from an outside source and trying to mesh it with scripture. I would not argue if they are going to heaven but I would say that they don't believe what is written in the Bible

[Tnobes]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

[Jonathan Carone]

Most? Please explain. That is a very strong statement to make. Of course there are seminaries that have lost their way but to suggest most don't teach the Bible isn't something that you could possibly prove.

Easily provable. Ask a professor at any given seminary if they believe in billions of years and you will have your answer. My seminary North Park stopped being Christian long ago

So you have to be a Young Earth Creationist to be a Christian?

Edit: Posted this before I saw the new page.

[thepostman]

It doesn't determine their salvation but it does determine if they believe what the Bible says. If God lied to us from the very first chapter, then when did he start telling the truth? If they believe in an old earth they aren't getting that from scripture, they are getting it from an outside source and trying to mesh it with scripture. I would not argue if they are going to heaven but I would say that they don't believe what is written in the Bible

But you used it as your example to determine if a seminary is "Chriatian" or not so that is why I questioned that.

[Jonathan Carone]

It doesn't determine their salvation but it does determine if they believe what the Bible says. If God lied to us from the very first chapter, then when did he start telling the truth? If they believe in an old earth they aren't getting that from scripture, they are getting it from an outside source and trying to mesh it with scripture. I would not argue if they are going to heaven but I would say that they don't believe what is written in the Bible

My Old Testament class at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary taught that there were many interpretations for the Creation story.

Is Liberty no longer a Christian seminary?

[thepostman]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

[rtb72]

This is not a hill to die on one way or another but there is more scripture backing women can't be lead pastors and none saying that they can. Being a pastor is very different than being a missionary or Sunday school teacher or youth leader or children's ministry leader, or serving on various committees. I have no problem with churches that have female pastors by the way, I have served along side female pastors. Senior pastors I believe is a different story. This is not a salvation issue and I have no problem with people coming down on different sides of this but ball coach doesn't need to be pilled on over this

It is simplest form....

So where does it define senior pastor, committee member, women can be missionaries and sunday school teachers, but not pastors?


*Pastor*: One who feeds the flock; shepherd...pas'-ter (ro`eh; poimen; literally, a helper, or feeder of the sheep.

*Bible Tools (2020) Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology. Salem Media Group. https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/pastor/.

[ballcoach15]

In my lifetime I have been a choir member. Sunday School Teacher. VBS teacher, usher , Sunday school worship leader, but I have never been a Pastor. There are many opportunities to SERVE, but not be the Pastor.

[thepostman]

Ok? That isn't being discussed. We all clearly agree on that.

[rtb72]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

Wow! From what lofty perch have you been placed? "The Methodist Church" is essentially a body of believers! Sure they affiliate with a particular denomination with different orders of worship, and just like ANY OTHER DENOMINATION there are those with diverse interpretations and ideologies. So because certain seminaries teach a particular way....the whole church body is labeled as not believing the Bible?

[Tnobes]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

You must define the word Christian different than I do. I don't define Christian simply as believing in Jesus. If someone tells me that they are a Christian that tells me absolutely nothing about them, they might as well say they like cheese

[rtb72]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

So tell me, Tnobes: My wife and I are both members at the Methodist Church. We were both raised Baptist. I interpret the Bible differently than my wife. Which one of us are right? Which one of us don't believe the Bible? Could it be the one YOU SAY is a true believer, because, well......you said so?

[Tnobes]

It doesn't determine their salvation but it does determine if they believe what the Bible says. If God lied to us from the very first chapter, then when did he start telling the truth? If they believe in an old earth they aren't getting that from scripture, they are getting it from an outside source and trying to mesh it with scripture. I would not argue if they are going to heaven but I would say that they don't believe what is written in the Bible

My Old Testament class at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary taught that there were many interpretations for the Creation story.

Is Liberty no longer a Christian seminary?

No, they are just not willing to take a hard stand. But I would say that the Bible doesn't need interpretation, any more than a doctor Seuss book needs interpretation, the words say what they say, if you hand the Bible to a ten year old they know what it says, living it out is the hard part

[Purple Haize]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

So tell me, Tnobes: My wife and I are both members at the Methodist Church. We were both raised Baptist. I interpret the Bible differently than my wife. Which one of us are right? Which one of us don't believe the Bible? Could it be the one YOU SAY is a true believer, because, well......you said so?

Your wife obviously

[Tnobes]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

So tell me, Tnobes: My wife and I are both members at the Methodist Church. We were both raised Baptist. I interpret the Bible differently than my wife. Which one of us are right? Which one of us don't believe the Bible? Could it be the one YOU SAY is a true believer, because, well......you said so?

Troll

[Tnobes]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

Wow! From what lofty perch have you been placed? "The Methodist Church" is essentially a body of believers! Sure they affiliate with a particular denomination with different orders of worship, and just like ANY OTHER DENOMINATION there are those with diverse interpretations and ideologies. So because certain seminaries teach a particular way....the whole church body is labeled as not believing the Bible?

I never said anything about individual members but the church is splitting because many of the churches decided that they don't believe what God says anymore and that is a fact.

[Purple Haize]

It doesn't determine their salvation but it does determine if they believe what the Bible says. If God lied to us from the very first chapter, then when did he start telling the truth? If they believe in an old earth they aren't getting that from scripture, they are getting it from an outside source and trying to mesh it with scripture. I would not argue if they are going to heaven but I would say that they don't believe what is written in the Bible

My Old Testament class at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary taught that there were many interpretations for the Creation story.

Is Liberty no longer a Christian seminary?

No, they are just not willing to take a hard stand. But I would say that the Bible doesn't need interpretation, any more than a doctor Seuss book needs interpretation, the words say what they say, if you hand the Bible to a ten year old they know what it says, living it out is the hard part

The English words or the Original Language? Cause I know several Rabbi’s who would dispute the young earth creationist theory based solely on the Torah

[Tnobes]

And I know several who would say the opposite. That's why I put zero stock in what anybody says. I look at what the text says, not what somebody says it "means". God don't stutter

[rtb72]

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

So tell me, Tnobes: My wife and I are both members at the Methodist Church. We were both raised Baptist. I interpret the Bible differently than my wife. Which one of us are right? Which one of us don't believe the Bible? Could it be the one YOU SAY is a true believer, because, well......you said so?

Troll

hahahahaha....absolutely brilliant.... you got me. I obviously have no scholarship to the level at which you are operating. I am so thankful I do not have to measure up to your standards for salvation.

[thepostman]

There are Methodists who are going to heaven but the Methodist Church is not a Christian denomination and does not believe the Bible

I think what you mean is they don't interpret the Bible the way you do. That is much different.

Do they teach Jesus is the messiah and through him we can have salvation? Last I checked they do so therefore that makes them a Christian denomination. I disagree with some of their doctrinal conclusions but that is much different than not being a Christian denomination.

You must define the word Christian different than I do. I don't define Christian simply as believing in Jesus. If someone tells me that they are a Christian that tells me absolutely nothing about them, they might as well say they like cheese

So to be a Christian I must believe everything that you do? That sounds awfully like adding to the gospel of Christ which I know is not your intent but it sure sounds like what you are doing.

The bottom line of the gospel is Christ is the Messiah and our savior. Anything else you add to that to consider something "Christian" or not is coming from you not the gospel of Christ.

[Purple Haize]

And I know several who would say the opposite. That's why I put zero stock in what anybody says. I look at what the text says, not what somebody says it "means". God don't stutter

That’s an artful dodge of the question. God also wasn’t speaking English either. The text was written I Hebrew for Hebrew speaking people
To take your position of “no interpretation needed” I have to wonder if you have your eyes or have plucked them out or both your hands or you have had them cut off. Or you just lead a perfect life with never seeing anything that cause impure thoughts or your hands have never done anything to sin against God.

[Tnobes]

This is not a hill to die on one way or another but there is more scripture backing women can't be lead pastors and none saying that they can. Being a pastor is very different than being a missionary or Sunday school teacher or youth leader or children's ministry leader, or serving on various committees. I have no problem with churches that have female pastors by the way, I have served along side female pastors. Senior pastors I believe is a different story. This is not a salvation issue and I have no problem with people coming down on different sides of this but ball coach doesn't need to be pilled on over this

It is simplest form....

So where does it define senior pastor, committee member, women can be missionaries and sunday school teachers, but not pastors?


*Pastor*: One who feeds the flock; shepherd...pas'-ter (ro`eh; poimen; literally, a helper, or feeder of the sheep.

*Bible Tools (2020) Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology. Salem Media Group. https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/pastor/.
[/quote a pastor is not definined as someone who feeds the flock, everyone knows what a pastor is

[Cider Jim]

Is Liberty no longer a Christian seminary?

Technically, LU no longer has a "seminary." It's now called a School of Divinity (undergrad and grad).

[Purple Haize]

Is Liberty no longer a Christian seminary?

Technically, LU no longer has a "seminary." It's now called a School of Divinity (undergrad and grad).

It has a nice ring to it