[RubberMallet]

the problem is for every guy who actually does his work, there is one or two nitwits who don't. these methods are then deployed to try and solve the issues. the only problem is all the good people leave because even when you "explain " to them whats going on, its so grating on the good employees that they get out of there.

here at work because of similar issues, the base+commission sales guys were having to clock in and out every day. certainly not "log every item worked on" but when you are traveling 10% of the time it can get cumbersome. i just never did it when i was the only sales guy beyond my boss who also spent 90% of his time selling. but once we started bringing in other sales guys, my boss the owner and i had a meeting and i agreed ot start just for the sake of congruity within the department while still voicing my displeasure with having my time nickle and dimed when my pay should be based off my sales numbers, not hours. (i have a base but i have to earn it in commissionable sales)

well we finally have a pretty good crew of sales guys and while i say nothing, they all grumble about it constantly. my boss knows this and its finally being abolished this fall. the key words being "finally" and "good"...over the past 6 years we brought in alot of dopes who couldn't sell a bandaid to a kid who just scraped his knee, they couldn't cold call, and could not close. (many peopel can only sell themselves...not other products...and i find that nearly 90% of sales people can't generate their own leads). These guys needed constant supervision. they are the sole reason HR feels it has to do these things...

[LUconn]

Coffee is for closers

[ATrain]

Reading all this makes me happy I'm a government employee.

[Sly Fox]

Coffee is for closers

I need to watch that once again. Just seeing you type that brought a smile to my face.

[TIMSCAR20]

Coffee is for closers

I need to watch that once again. Just seeing you type that brought a smile to my face.

Yeah that quote may end up in a future broadcast on FSN. I love pop culture references and that is one of the better ones.

[TIMSCAR20]

I also want to say that this is a great discussion. Several years ago I moved back to Lynchburg and was really trying to get a job in the athletic dept or any other dept at Liberty. I lived in Lynchburg from 2003-2007 and I never really could get a job in Lynchburg at all, at Liberty or in the community. As a consultant/contractor I found myself working in DC and Richmond which ultimately landed us in Richmond full time.

I really appreciate the way Scorcho laid out his experience and I have enjoyed following this discussion. I am truly amazed that even our Chancellor has graced us with his presence and has tried to demonstrate the fact that Liberty is aware of issues and are trying to address them. That is a step in the right direction.

[Purple Haize]

Chancellor? To heck with him. We are just glad SCAR graced us with HIS presence!

[El Scorcho]

Chancellor? To heck with him. We are just glad SCAR graced us with HIS presence!

Double true. Long-time members know where the real star power is.

[jcmanson]

Chancellor? To heck with him. We are just glad SCAR graced us with HIS presence!

word

[thepostman]

Chancellor? To heck with him. We are just glad SCAR graced us with HIS presence!

Double true. Long-time members know where the real star power is.

You mean jbock isn't the star of this show??

[Purple Haize]

Chancellor? To heck with him. We are just glad SCAR graced us with HIS presence!

Double true. Long-time members know where the real star power is.

You mean jbock isn't the star of this show??

JBock and I are the lead in show!

[Echomalleus]

Loved the thread, however I wanted to make my first post on here in response to this. Been working at LU for over 5 years, and really enjoy it. However, with all of the statements just made, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on why we have to pay for parking, especially in light of the "money coming out the wazoo" remark, and more depressing, all without a cost of living raise? Happened last year, and the employees were promised "premium parking." Guess that means it's for anyone that has sticker, as I saw nothing premium about it.

Having vented all of that I still must appauld Jerry Jr. for his statements on this thread. I still am reassured that someday, we'll be on the right track. Just makes it a bit harder to believe with all of the other extra expenses employees face without a COL (ie extra $10/month for insurance). El Scorcho was dead on... reinvest in the employees...even if it's just a stinking cost of living raise!

I can say one thing...across the board, at least within my department, employees are still hanging hopes on that competitive pay study that was supposed to be finished in "summer 2012." Here's hoping!

[EagleOne]

However, with all of the statements just made, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on why we have to pay for parking, especially in light of the "money coming out the wazoo" remark, and more depressing, all without a cost of living raise? Happened last year, and the employees were promised "premium parking." Guess that means it's for anyone that has sticker, as I saw nothing premium about it.

Having vented all of that I still must appauld Jerry Jr. for his statements on this thread. I still am reassured that someday, we'll be on the right track. Just makes it a bit harder to believe with all of the other extra expenses employees face without a COL (ie extra $10/month for insurance).

It's definitely eye-opening. Really shows the value they place on the employees. It's a business first and foremost. Sad to see.

[Purple Haize]

It's not a business it's a ministry. Wait, it is a business that ministers. I get so confused

[rogers3]

Loved the thread, however I wanted to make my first post on here in response to this. Been working at LU for over 5 years, and really enjoy it. However, with all of the statements just made, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on why we have to pay for parking, especially in light of the "money coming out the wazoo" remark, and more depressing, all without a cost of living raise? Happened last year, and the employees were promised "premium parking." Guess that means it's for anyone that has sticker, as I saw nothing premium about it.

Having vented all of that I still must appauld Jerry Jr. for his statements on this thread. I still am reassured that someday, we'll be on the right track. Just makes it a bit harder to believe with all of the other extra expenses employees face without a COL (ie extra $10/month for insurance). El Scorcho was dead on... reinvest in the employees...even if it's just a stinking cost of living raise!

I can say one thing...across the board, at least within my department, employees are still hanging hopes on that competitive pay study that was supposed to be finished in "summer 2012." Here's hoping!

Wasn't there just a raise for all faculty? Paid parking is pretty common- Duke faculty pay, and sorry, but Duke has a lot more money than us! I wonder what parking at Harvard is like, seeing that they have 32B in endowment.

[adam42381]

Loved the thread, however I wanted to make my first post on here in response to this. Been working at LU for over 5 years, and really enjoy it. However, with all of the statements just made, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on why we have to pay for parking, especially in light of the "money coming out the wazoo" remark, and more depressing, all without a cost of living raise? Happened last year, and the employees were promised "premium parking." Guess that means it's for anyone that has sticker, as I saw nothing premium about it.

Having vented all of that I still must appauld Jerry Jr. for his statements on this thread. I still am reassured that someday, we'll be on the right track. Just makes it a bit harder to believe with all of the other extra expenses employees face without a COL (ie extra $10/month for insurance). El Scorcho was dead on... reinvest in the employees...even if it's just a stinking cost of living raise!

I can say one thing...across the board, at least within my department, employees are still hanging hopes on that competitive pay study that was supposed to be finished in "summer 2012." Here's hoping!

Wasn't there just a raise for all faculty? Paid parking is pretty common- Duke faculty pay, and sorry, but Duke has a lot more money than us! I wonder what parking at Harvard is like, seeing that they have 32B in endowment.

Maybe you should compare their salaries as well. Last year, the average professor salary at Harvard was $198,400. The average at Duke was $175,300. What's the average salary at Liberty?

http://oira.unc.edu/faculty-salaries-at ... ities.html

[From the class of 09]

Maybe you should compare their salaries as well. Last year, the average professor salary at Harvard was $198,400. The average at Duke was $175,300. What's the average salary at Liberty?

http://oira.unc.edu/faculty-salaries-at ... ities.html

That's a great question and should be given first priority. As important as the staff at Lib are upgrading the faculty is more so. I always thought it would be hard to get quality professors from our already self limiting pool. Who wants to take a pay cut or even get the same pay but give up the path to tenure? I understand the idea of limiting tenure at Lib but from a professors side it still wouldn't be very appealing.

[ALUmnus]

I would note that it can be difficult to compare salaries when the salaries you are using as a measure are ridiculously inflated. Another note, staff and faculty are in two completely seperate categories, and that makes universities a little bit of a strange beast.

[Echomalleus]

Loved the thread, however I wanted to make my first post on here in response to this. Been working at LU for over 5 years, and really enjoy it. However, with all of the statements just made, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on why we have to pay for parking, especially in light of the "money coming out the wazoo" remark, and more depressing, all without a cost of living raise? Happened last year, and the employees were promised "premium parking." Guess that means it's for anyone that has sticker, as I saw nothing premium about it.

Having vented all of that I still must appauld Jerry Jr. for his statements on this thread. I still am reassured that someday, we'll be on the right track. Just makes it a bit harder to believe with all of the other extra expenses employees face without a COL (ie extra $10/month for insurance). El Scorcho was dead on... reinvest in the employees...even if it's just a stinking cost of living raise!

I can say one thing...across the board, at least within my department, employees are still hanging hopes on that competitive pay study that was supposed to be finished in "summer 2012." Here's hoping!

Wasn't there just a raise for all faculty? Paid parking is pretty common- Duke faculty pay, and sorry, but Duke has a lot more money than us! I wonder what parking at Harvard is like, seeing that they have 32B in endowment.

Possibly, but not for staff in LUO, where I work. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand paying for parking if it was coupled with a basic cost of living raise (and enforced properly-looking at you students!) Yes, completely agree that faculty should get first dibs on raises (which I believe they did) however, you'd think people who work in the cash cow department would get a small pittance to handle things like parking and health insurance. Either way, I still believe in the direction the university is going and that ultimately it will take time... I would just rather move one small step forward, then 2 steps forward and one step back.

[Purple Haize]

You know Paula Abdul says that s what makes opposites attract?

[rogers3]

Loved the thread, however I wanted to make my first post on here in response to this. Been working at LU for over 5 years, and really enjoy it. However, with all of the statements just made, I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on why we have to pay for parking, especially in light of the "money coming out the wazoo" remark, and more depressing, all without a cost of living raise? Happened last year, and the employees were promised "premium parking." Guess that means it's for anyone that has sticker, as I saw nothing premium about it.

Having vented all of that I still must appauld Jerry Jr. for his statements on this thread. I still am reassured that someday, we'll be on the right track. Just makes it a bit harder to believe with all of the other extra expenses employees face without a COL (ie extra $10/month for insurance). El Scorcho was dead on... reinvest in the employees...even if it's just a stinking cost of living raise!

I can say one thing...across the board, at least within my department, employees are still hanging hopes on that competitive pay study that was supposed to be finished in "summer 2012." Here's hoping!

Wasn't there just a raise for all faculty? Paid parking is pretty common- Duke faculty pay, and sorry, but Duke has a lot more money than us! I wonder what parking at Harvard is like, seeing that they have 32B in endowment.

Maybe you should compare their salaries as well. Last year, the average professor salary at Harvard was $198,400. The average at Duke was $175,300. What's the average salary at Liberty?

http://oira.unc.edu/faculty-salaries-at ... ities.html

When I get the comparisons for the actual parking fees, I'll comment on that. It is difficult to compare the salaries when I don't know how much the LU faculty will be paying ... I mean, if a Duke faculty member pays 1,000/yr for parking and an LU faculty member pays 200/yr, I'd say that you LU guys are probably paying a lower percentage of their pay. Shoot- it's all how you look at it!

[Cider Jim]

Even with the new policy, LU's parking is cheaper and closer than UVa's:

http://www.virginia.edu/parking/informa ... ml#permits

[ECUnited]

Someone mentioned that people were passionate about this thread, and that they genuinely care about LU. That describes me perfectly, and is why I have waited to make any comment. I even had a big long post typed out and deleted it.

I am no longer employed at LU and the decision to leave was one of the most heart-wrenching decisions I have made in my entire career. I fully believe the Lord led me to LU, and I firmly believe the Lord led me to move on.

I love Liberty, I love the people, the students, the Christian environment, and a lot of things about it, I just didn't like working there any more. There are some tremendous departments to work for within LU, and there are some that well.....

I read across this series of blog posts by Ed Stetzer that I thought fit with this thread (or maybe the "Future of Liberty" thread).

A HUGE disclaimer here. I am not insinuating that the points he makes in these articles ALLapply to LU, nor am I insinuating that they apply to ALL departments in LU (there are some great departments to work for at LU and others, not so much). There were several points in these posts, which resonated with me, and especially those points in how we as employees should respond. I also am NOT trying to persuade anyone to leave or stay, but I thought they were interesting reading.

For your reading pleasure if you are interested:

Part 1 : http://www.edstetzer.com/2012/04/unheal ... ati-1.html
Part 2 : http://www.edstetzer.com/2012/04/consid ... -unhe.html
Part 3 : http://www.edstetzer.com/2012/06/unheal ... izati.html

I do really want to see LU succeed and maybe some day it will be a place that I would want to work for again.

[NotAJerry]

Great stuff from Stetzer as always. I would also suggest everyone, including those doing the hiring/policy making at LU, spend the time to read the book The Millennials by Thom and Jess Rainer. It's a fascinating, research based, look at the latest generation entering the workforce and could easily serve as a starting point in understanding what they're looking for in the workplace.