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By paradox
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Haize:

The Dunton thing is not a personal thing for me on one side or the other. In addition, I have nothing vested personally in this staff or with any of the players or any of the current students for that matter.

I just don't place RD on as a hot of a seat as many here do.

This thing has significantly improved from last year, it is going to get better, and there is still plenty of basketball left to be played.
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By Purple Haize
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#60557
You had me till "there is still plenty of basketball left to be played".. How many games are left? 3 plus tournament? That is NOT a lot of time.
By paradox
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Haize:

Hey, I'm as disapointed as anyone regarding last night's heartbreaker, however, these guys could still get hot and make some noise in the tournement.

I read from some posters that they feel that Brew might move on. I'm not saying that I believe that, but if it's true, then not only Blair but also Brew become extremely dangerous for the Big South as they both should be all the more hungry and desperate to prolong this thing and get some national exposure. We'll have to wait and see, but this might be a tough group to knock out of the tournement.

If you listen to Dickens, everyone is leaving, so perhaps we'll see a tip notch performance prior to the final curtain and LU will end up in the NCAA's afterall :lol:

...but ya gotta be realistic

I'm anxious to see how this thing plays out.
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By Sly Fox
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First of all, it is unfair to blame Grant for the poor leadership of the Union Army in the first 2-3 years of the Rebellion. Grant rose to power by destroying the Confederate forces along the Mississippi & Tennessee Rivers. Despite often being outmanned by Southern Generals who mistakenly believed they would win simply because they were Southern, Grant shrewdly worked his way up through the ranks by one amazing victory after another. By the time he took control of the Union forces, Lee had his imprint all over the Confederate army.

As for the sheer numbers excuse used by the Southern revisionists as an explanation for how the South could've possibly lost a war, you're not taking several key components into consideration. While the Union had a much larger population, the forces themselves were fairly evenly numbered on the battlefield. While the Southerners could send all of the forces to the fronts to fight since they had their slaves to defend their property and no Union troops threatening their property until the final months of the war, the Union army had to leave fighting age men at home to defend their property against rebel sympathizers and Confederate forces. Grant rarely if ever faced an opponent during the entire war where he had superior numbers. It is true that as the war dragged on into 1864 & 1865, many of the eager Southern gentlemen who thought they'd destroy the Northerners in just a few months began to lay down their arms to return home. But it was the successes of Grant (and to a lesser extent Sherman) that really forced the flood of AWOLs.

As for supply lines and access to materials, the advantage was decidedly the South's from the outset of the war. There was no one to disrupt their supply lines until Grant successes in Tennessee. Meanwhile guerrilla tactics were constantly being used to disrupt supply lines along the Ohio River and railroads from the minute the conflict arose. By the end of the war, it is true that Grant & Sherman had completely cut off the Confederate supply lines with the help of their naval blockade.

Did I ever say Grant was a better leader than Lee? No. But to dismiss Grant is unfair and doesn't afford him the respect as a General that he clearly deserved (now his time in the White House was a completely different matter). Grant served under Lee in the Mexican-American War down here in Texas down to Mexico City. They were friends who afforded each other a great deal of respect. Lee unfortunately made the tragic decision to fight for his state instead of his conscious. I think we should all be thrilled that the Confederates didn't extend the horrendous practice of slavery for what could've been a century.

And come on, Jasmine & Ariel have nothing on Belle.
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By whmatthews
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Wasn't Dunton a high school coach in Alaska??
Alexis for head coach!
By paradox
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whmatthews wrote:Wasn't Dunton a high school coach in Alaska??
Alexis for head coach!
And Matthews for Flame of Eagles mascot :!:

:pbjtime :pbjtime :pbjtime
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By Fumblerooskies
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Sly summed it up quite well...
...Grant was a great leader, and was relentless in his pursuit of Lee. But oh for Lee to have made that last 15 miles to Lynchburg, and to have been able to escape into NC with his Army...
...and combined forces with the remnants of the "western" Army, to try to defeat Sherman...
...then turn back north to fight Grant.
By paradox
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Purple Haize wrote: (As stated I am partial to the RD, NAZ, SCAR contingent and the BD, CM and SL a solid second) \
I wish that I could comment more on Scarborough as a coach, but I can't because I know nothing of his contributions as an assistant back in the 90's.

I will say this though, Timmy Scarborough represents everything that is right about college basketball. I love the Scarborough walk-on story. Like Hildebrand, he is an overachiever who made the most of his opportunity and then some. The guy had both guts and commitment. If this current group of players had half the devotion and mental toughness of a Tim Scarborough or a Mathew Hildebrand, LU would be a sweet sixteen contender this season.
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By Purple Haize
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OX Your are going to make SCAR's head bigger than his belly. And we know how big THAT is. Please, some of us would ike to be able to share an elevator ride with him or a road trip in something smaller than an RV
By paradox
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Ah, sorry man. :shock:
By TIMSCAR20
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Dox,

you must have been around for a while to remember my playing days. I believe I had a ton of mental toughness much like my fellow #20 Matt Hildebrand. I appreciate the kind words for sure. Haize, thank you as well for mentioning our staff in the 90's we had a complimentary group IMO. Meyer was a good head coach that was starting to learn more about players and talent than he had in his earlier years and Dunton was basically a head coach in an assistant coach position. Naz was and is the ultimate organizer and administrator along with myself using my Project Management skills to coordinate schedules of players, practice times and so forth. It simply worked. But we had a ton of talent and chemistry back then so that is just as big of a contributing factor to us being a good staff. I never claimed to be a good coach though but Paul Nazigian and I did sit where they sat just a few years before them as Liberty athletes so we had a great relationship with the players without compromising our authority. I learned more from Meyer and Dunton about life and basketball in those few years on staff than I did in all of my playing days combined. Those guys both know their stuff. I loved the Davis, Martin Leary group as a staff and so did RD. They had their moments but it was a good group. This current group could go down as the best though if they turn things around. People will forget about last season and parts of this one....And thank you Sly and others for the Civil War history too. I love that stuff.
By Realist
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Sly Fox wrote:First of all, it is unfair to blame Grant for the poor leadership of the Union Army in the first 2-3 years of the Rebellion. Grant rose to power by destroying the Confederate forces along the Mississippi & Tennessee Rivers. Despite often being outmanned by Southern Generals who mistakenly believed they would win simply because they were Southern, Grant shrewdly worked his way up through the ranks by one amazing victory after another. By the time he took control of the Union forces, Lee had his imprint all over the Confederate army.

As for the sheer numbers excuse used by the Southern revisionists as an explanation for how the South could've possibly lost a war, you're not taking several key components into consideration. While the Union had a much larger population, the forces themselves were fairly evenly numbered on the battlefield. While the Southerners could send all of the forces to the fronts to fight since they had their slaves to defend their property and no Union troops threatening their property until the final months of the war, the Union army had to leave fighting age men at home to defend their property against rebel sympathizers and Confederate forces. Grant rarely if ever faced an opponent during the entire war where he had superior numbers. It is true that as the war dragged on into 1864 & 1865, many of the eager Southern gentlemen who thought they'd destroy the Northerners in just a few months began to lay down their arms to return home. But it was the successes of Grant (and to a lesser extent Sherman) that really forced the flood of AWOLs.

As for supply lines and access to materials, the advantage was decidedly the South's from the outset of the war. There was no one to disrupt their supply lines until Grant successes in Tennessee. Meanwhile guerrilla tactics were constantly being used to disrupt supply lines along the Ohio River and railroads from the minute the conflict arose. By the end of the war, it is true that Grant & Sherman had completely cut off the Confederate supply lines with the help of their naval blockade.

Did I ever say Grant was a better leader than Lee? No. But to dismiss Grant is unfair and doesn't afford him the respect as a General that he clearly deserved (now his time in the White House was a completely different matter). Grant served under Lee in the Mexican-American War down here in Texas down to Mexico City. They were friends who afforded each other a great deal of respect. Lee unfortunately made the tragic decision to fight for his state instead of his conscious. I think we should all be thrilled that the Confederates didn't extend the horrendous practice of slavery for what could've been a century.

And come on, Jasmine & Ariel have nothing on Belle.

Sly, not to be rude, but what Harry Turtledove alternate history have you been reading on the Civil War? About the only thing you got right was that the South had easier supply lines, which is obvious since just about all of the war was fought on its soil. The Northern forces didn't outnumber the South? You've got to be kidding me. In almost every battle fought in the war, the north usually had at least a 1 1/2 to one advantage, if not a great deal more.

Before you pull the old you're from the south thing, that's why you are saying this, I've read over 400 books on the war, written 2 dissertations, and contributed to a book on a certain battle. While the historical methodology might have changed since my undergrad days (my minor), I doubt they've discovered or presented a case where the South found about a million more soldiers to put into the battle :roll:

Grant did the right thing and was able to do what the other blundering idiot generals couldn't do, put his massive numbers in the field at the same time and wage an attrition war. Certainly deserves credit for doing that. As for a mastermind? Far from it, a good soldier, but mainly a drunk that realized if he kept throwing the army's numbers at the South, it would win.
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By Brokeback Flamer
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How in THE WORLD can you say that materiel was in the South's favor? The north was more heavily populated and even if you take the "slaves stayed home and owners fought" you still would not make up for the numerical differences. Also the north had a much stronger industrial base (thank you irish immigrants) which is sort of important for making cannon and things that go boom. While on the battlefield the numbers may have been close the difference was AFTER the battle, the north could rely on replacing those troops rather consistently, whereas the south could not. This is the "genius" of Grant, he knew that the only way to win was to bleed the south out, and he did. Not pretty, not "creative" but pretty freakin affective, just ask Stalin, it worked for him.
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