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By Purple Haize
#542328 So moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is kind of a big deal. Publicly acknowledging it as the Capital is even more Bigly Yuger
By thepostman
#542337 I'm not sure how it is short sited. If we haven't been increasing our deficit our entire lives than maybe I could buy that but we are coming dangerously close to imploding fiscally speaking. We can't continually have faith that sone theoretical new investments/business, etc will somehow help reverse the incredible damage our leaders have caused by growing the government as quickly as they have since the world wars.
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By Class of 20Something
#542358 I have done a little background reading on our support of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Can someone break down the implications in a neutral view then separately from a Christian world view?
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By Purple Haize
#542359
Class of 20Something wrote:I have done a little background reading on our support of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Can someone break down the implications in a neutral view then separately from a Christian world view?


There is East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem. The East is part of ‘occupied territory ‘ and thus part of a hoped for future Palestinian State. West Jerusalem is controlled by the Israelis. We have Consulates in both E and W Jerusalem (Nice new ones since I was there). By calling Jerusalem the Capital Of Israel it A) Legitimizes Israel when a group of people still want to wipe it off the face of the Earth B) Negates it from becoming a part of a new Palestinian State.

That’s a very very short synopsis. Lots of nuance in there. Hopefully it was somewhat helpful
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By adam42381
#543037
TH Spangler wrote:Democrats successfully prevented the repeal of the Johnson Amendment

President Trump had strongly advocated the repeal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... andidates/

Many here may disagree, but I see this as a good thing. Politics and religion shouldn’t be so closely interwoven. You can still be a Christian and be a Democrat, believe it or not.
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By RubberMallet
#543041 the idea that ones beliefs shouldn't be the underlying purpose of their pursuit politically is preposterous.

democratic christians i don't generally have an issue with until it comes to their take regarding abortion rights and far left, "i'm a gender fluid wolfkin" absurdity.
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By Class of 20Something
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adam42381 wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:Democrats successfully prevented the repeal of the Johnson Amendment

President Trump had strongly advocated the repeal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... andidates/

Many here may disagree, but I see this as a good thing. Politics and religion shouldn’t be so closely interwoven. You can still be a Christian and be a Democrat, believe it or not.


I agree, that's why the government shouldn't be able to control what pastors say in the pulpit.

Christian Republicans and Democrats just focus on different ways to accomplish the same things. Democrats have a huge heart for the disadvantaged and believe it's their responsibility to use the government to meet that need. Republicans believe that it is up to the individual to decide to do that, largely though their church and private organizations.

There are understandable positions on both sides of the aisle.
By thepostman
#543054
adam42381 wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:Democrats successfully prevented the repeal of the Johnson Amendment

President Trump had strongly advocated the repeal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... andidates/

Many here may disagree, but I see this as a good thing. Politics and religion shouldn’t be so closely interwoven. You can still be a Christian and be a Democrat, believe it or not.


I don't believe the government should be able to tell you what you say from a pulpit whether liberal or conservative but the problem arises from the tax free label. That is why the issue isn't so cut and dry.
By BigRed1
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adam42381 wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:Democrats successfully prevented the repeal of the Johnson Amendment

President Trump had strongly advocated the repeal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... andidates/

Many here may disagree, but I see this as a good thing. Politics and religion shouldn’t be so closely interwoven. You can still be a Christian and be a Democrat, believe it or not.

Really? By supporting a party who endorses same sex marriage and abortion you’re following the teachings of the Bible? I don’t think so. A party who said there was no room for anyone who is pro life. That’s like being a Nazi, but despising Hitler. Those who straddles the fence end up being impaled by it.
By thepostman
#543730 Neither party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. If you think that about either party you're insane.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote:Neither party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. If you think that about either party you're insane.


What!?! #fakenews
By BigRed1
#543774
thepostman wrote:Neither party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. If you think that about either party you're insane.

Never said or insinuated that the Republican Party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. I really love how some people read something that’s not even there. What I said was the DNC platform FULLY SUPPORTS abortion and same sex marriage and calls people who oppose that view insane. Like the view you seem to hold of me. My point was how could you possibly be associated with a group and not agree with what they stand for? If someone belonging to a white supremacy group said they were against racism, would you believe them? That would be insane wouldn’t it?
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By adam42381
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BigRed1 wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:Democrats successfully prevented the repeal of the Johnson Amendment

President Trump had strongly advocated the repeal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... andidates/

Many here may disagree, but I see this as a good thing. Politics and religion shouldn’t be so closely interwoven. You can still be a Christian and be a Democrat, believe it or not.

Really? By supporting a party who endorses same sex marriage and abortion you’re following the teachings of the Bible? I don’t think so. A party who said there was no room for anyone who is pro life. That’s like being a Nazi, but despising Hitler. Those who straddles the fence end up being impaled by it.

The Pussy Grabber in Chief is a wonderful Christian man, though.
By thepostman
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BigRed1 wrote:
thepostman wrote:Neither party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. If you think that about either party you're insane.

Never said or insinuated that the Republican Party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. I really love how some people read something that’s not even there. What I said was the DNC platform FULLY SUPPORTS abortion and same sex marriage and calls people who oppose that view insane. Like the view you seem to hold of me. My point was how could you possibly be associated with a group and not agree with what they stand for? If someone belonging to a white supremacy group said they were against racism, would you believe them? That would be insane wouldn’t it?


That's actually my point too. Except I actually believe it which is why I refuse to associate with either party.
By BigRed1
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thepostman wrote:
BigRed1 wrote:
thepostman wrote:Neither party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. If you think that about either party you're insane.

Never said or insinuated that the Republican Party supports the teachings of the Bible completely. I really love how some people read something that’s not even there. What I said was the DNC platform FULLY SUPPORTS abortion and same sex marriage and calls people who oppose that view insane. Like the view you seem to hold of me. My point was how could you possibly be associated with a group and not agree with what they stand for? If someone belonging to a white supremacy group said they were against racism, would you believe them? That would be insane wouldn’t it?


That's actually my point too. Except I actually believe it which is why I refuse to associate with either party.

Not a party man either. I think people just voting for a particular party, no matter what the person’s character is, is a big reason for the mess we’ve had in politics the last several years. It seems we have a choice of voting for the less of two evils instead of having viable choices. I always judge a candidate by their moral character and not their political affiliation.
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By Jonathan Carone
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BigRed1 wrote:My point was how could you possibly be associated with a group and not agree with what they stand for?


I’ve been associated with many groups who I didn’t agree with fully. Churches. Schools. Athletics teams. Charity organizations.
By BigRed1
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Jonathan Carone wrote:
BigRed1 wrote:My point was how could you possibly be associated with a group and not agree with what they stand for?


I’ve been associated with many groups who I didn’t agree with fully. Churches. Schools. Athletics teams. Charity organizations.

Did they go against your religious beliefs?
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By Jonathan Carone
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BigRed1 wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:
BigRed1 wrote:My point was how could you possibly be associated with a group and not agree with what they stand for?


I’ve been associated with many groups who I didn’t agree with fully. Churches. Schools. Athletics teams. Charity organizations.

Did they go against your religious beliefs?


There have been some, yes.

I don’t expect everyone I associate myself with to fully believe everything I do. If we can find places to agree, I’m good working towards progress in those areas while still disagreeing in others.

And for the record, I’m a registered independent.
By JK37
#543790 BigRed, your claims about association and equal beliefs is a major issue among millennials. For some reason, society seems to think now that to associate we have to agree fully. Or that to disagree on something means I fear or hate you. Neither one is true!!

That’s how I can vote for Donald Trump, even when I don’t think he’s a very moral person, I dislike his personality, and I think his delivery tears down far more than it builds up. I agree with the vast majority of his policies. And I disagreed with most of Clinton’s. So I voted for him, and so far I think he’s been good overall for the country.
By BigRed1
#543791 The Pussy Grabber in Chief is a wonderful Christian man, though.[/quote]
Do you really even know why the Johnson Amendment was pushed by LBJ? If you take the time to research it you’ll find out that LBJ had opposition from the church. So his plan was to shut them up and not risk losing the election. And your crude remark has nothing to do with what I commented on. Never mentioned Trump. Never claimed he was an outstanding Christian. Sounds like you’re as bitter about the election as HRC and the MSM.
By BigRed1
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JK37 wrote:BigRed, your claims about association and equal beliefs is a major issue among millennials. For some reason, society seems to think now that to associate we have to agree fully. Or that to disagree on something means I fear or hate you. Neither one is true!!

That’s how I can vote for Donald Trump, even when I don’t think he’s a very moral person, I dislike his personality, and I think his delivery tears down far more than it builds up. I agree with the vast majority of his policies. And I disagreed with most of Clinton’s. So I voted for him, and so far I think he’s been good overall for the country.

I’m not defending Trump’s morality. I agree that he hurts himself more than he helps by his personality. Like you, I do agree with a vast majority of his policies. I didn’t vote for him in the primaries, but I did vote for him in the general election. A choice between him or another far left socialist was a no brainer for myself. This far left mindset is the reason for the problems you mentioned in the beginning of your post. That’s why we have “safe zones “ on university campuses. It’s the fear of hearing the other side. It’s why we have 24/7 bashing of Trump. The fear that his policies will succeed. It’s why Tebow is ridiculed and Kaepernick is praised. The fear of an equal voice. It’s why liberal run states and cities are refusing to abide by the laws of this nation. It’s because they fear and hate any opposing view. All these things are the result of liberalism. And the sad thing about all of this is the millennials are embracing the very thing that’s ripping our freedoms from our very fingertips. Anyone opposed to these liberal views are demonize and labeled as haters of all things good. As for me, I’d rather stand with God and be judged by the world rather than stand with the world and be judged by God.
By BigRed1
#543804 I’ve been associated with many groups who I didn’t agree with fully. Churches. Schools. Athletics teams. Charity organizations.[/quote]
Did they go against your religious beliefs?[/quote]

There have been some, yes.

I don’t expect everyone I associate myself with to fully believe everything I do. If we can find places to agree, I’m good working towards progress in those areas while still disagreeing in others.

And for the record, I’m a registered independent.[/quote]
You’re kind of taking a broad stroke at what I said. I’m talking about Biblically moral issues. Moral issues that you need to stand one way or the other. Either you believe what the Bible states or you don’t. If you’re talking about moral issues,I have to say that I don’t really understand how you could support a charity and not agree with there purpose. Or go to a church and not agree with their doctrine. I think I’d find a church that matched my beliefs and a charity that supported my cause.
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By alabama24
#543805
BigRed1 wrote:I always judge a candidate by their moral character and not their political affiliation.


For clarity: If someone had written "You do know, you can be a republican and a christian too," would you have made the same comment as above?

If you judge a candidate by their moral character, then you were against both party candidates, right?
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By Jonathan Carone
#543807 If you want specifics, here we go:

Can my pastor and I not have differing political views on how to go about limiting abortion?

Should I not donate to a relief organization who is bringing food and water to people in need because they happen to support gay marriage?

Am I not allowed to support a University who’s leadership has made racist remarks along with remarks that aren’t in line with how the Bible instructs us to treat people morally?

My pastor and I disagree on politics but we believe Jesus is the hope of the world so we partner together to tell people about him.

There were people in need of food after a hurricane ravaged their homes so I donated to the organization that could get them food and water quickly because I wanted to help take care of my neighbor.

I disagree with Jerry Jr politically on many things but I love the mission of our school so I still support it.

Even the disciples had disagreements on moral issues at times. There’s never been this utopia where you agree with absolutely everything a person or organization does. Instead, you find the common ground and work towards that end to make progress on an area that you believe in.
By BigRed1
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alabama24 wrote:
BigRed1 wrote:I always judge a candidate by their moral character and not their political affiliation.


For clarity: If someone had written "You do know, you can be a republican and a christian too," would you have made the same comment as above?

If you judge a candidate by their moral character, then you were against both party candidates, right?

I’m talking about the party’s platform. The DNC clearly supports abortion and same sex marriage. As a matter of fact they’re very proud of it. it seems you’ve labeled me as a Republican without me ever saying what I was. So in your opinion, if I’m against abortion and same sex marriage then I must be a Republican. We all know their all close minded and against anything progressive, Right? Well I hate to burst your bubble, but I’m an Independent. As to your second question, the person I voted for never won the primaries. He was strongly criticized for his conservative views by the MSM. We can’t have anybody like that running for office can we? Did I like either candidate? No, not really. But given the choice between 4 more years of progressive liberalism or someone who might agree on at least some things I believe in, the choice wasn’t that hard. Is Trump a flawed man? Of course he is. We all are. It’s my job to pray for him and his success. I can’t change who he is, but I know who can. And if we spent more time praying for him instead of criticizing him, who knows how he might turn out.
By BigRed1
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Jonathan Carone wrote:If you want specifics, here we go:

Can my pastor and I not have differing political views on how to go about limiting abortion?

Should I not donate to a relief organization who is bringing food and water to people in need because they happen to support gay marriage?

Am I not allowed to support a University who’s leadership has made racist remarks along with remarks that aren’t in line with how the Bible instructs us to treat people morally?

My pastor and I disagree on politics but we believe Jesus is the hope of the world so we partner together to tell people about him.

There were people in need of food after a hurricane ravaged their homes so I donated to the organization that could get them food and water quickly because I wanted to help take care of my neighbor.

I disagree with Jerry Jr politically on many things but I love the mission of our school so I still support it.

Even the disciples had disagreements on moral issues at times. There’s never been this utopia where you agree with absolutely everything a person or organization does. Instead, you find the common ground and work towards that end to make progress on an area that you believe in.

Don’t really know what view you or your pastor have on abortion so I can’t really comment on that. Hopefully your pastor is against it. As far as supporting a charity during a crisis. You do know that the SBC Disaster Relief Team does a amazing job. They don’t get much attention at all for what they do. Wonder why? I don’t think they support abortion. I’m sure they’re others. Salvation Army? Jerry Jr. definitely isn’t his dad. Just curious, what moral issues of the disciples are you talking about.
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By Jonathan Carone
#543814 I agree with my pastor (and you) that abortion is terrible and is morally wrong. The disagreements come in how to most effectively get people to stop having abortions.

You and I both think homosexual marriage is morally wrong from a biblical standpoint but we disagree on how to go about handling the issues politically.

And that’s why these things can’t be all or nothing:

We can agree that something is morally wrong while still disagreeing in how to handle it politically as a nation.

As for the disciples - when you look at the backgrounds of them all, the most glaring moral/political disagreement had to come between Simon the Zealot and other disciples when you look at the moral topic of violence and war. We don’t really know how following Jesus may have changed their political views on this but we do know that they came from vastly different political backgrounds.
By BigRed1
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Jonathan Carone wrote:I agree with my pastor (and you) that abortion is terrible and is morally wrong. The disagreements come in how to most effectively get people to stop having abortions.

You and I both think homosexual marriage is morally wrong from a biblical standpoint but we disagree on how to go about handling the issues politically.

And that’s why these things can’t be all or nothing:

We can agree that something is morally wrong while still disagreeing in how to handle it politically as a nation.

As for the disciples - when you look at the backgrounds of them all, the most glaring moral/political disagreement had to come between Simon the Zealot and other disciples when you look at the moral topic of violence and war. We don’t really know how following Jesus may have changed their political views on this but we do know that they came from vastly different political backgrounds.

Thanks for your response. I think we both can agree that as Christians, we need to stand on His Word , pray for one another and show the love of Christ to a lost and dying world. I appreciate your stand for what is right and your honesty and civility in all your posts.
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By alabama24
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BigRed1 wrote:it seems you’ve labeled me as a Republican without me ever saying what I was. So in your opinion, if I’m against abortion and same sex marriage then I must be a Republican. We all know their all close minded and against anything progressive, Right? Well I hate to burst your bubble, but I’m an Independent. As to your second question, the person I voted for never won the primaries. He was strongly criticized for his conservative views by the MSM. We can’t have anybody like that running for office can we? Did I like either candidate? No, not really. But given the choice between 4 more years of progressive liberalism or someone who might agree on at least some things I believe in, the choice wasn’t that hard. Is Trump a flawed man? Of course he is. We all are. It’s my job to pray for him and his success. I can’t change who he is, but I know who can. And if we spent more time praying for him instead of criticizing him, who knows how he might turn out.


I didn’t accuse you of anything. This started when you took offense to someone saying a person could be both a “democrat” and a “Christian.” I was seeking clarity. You still haven’t answered the question! I’ll go on the record: a person can be a Democrat and/or Liberal and still be a Christian. One can also be a member of a party and not agree with every part of its platform.

As for the last half of your post: we all certainly need to pray for the President and wish him a “successful”presidency... we should do that no matter who is in office. By “successful” I don’t mean “get’s his way,” but rather “leaves the country better off” when he is done.

I believe we have come to a hyper partisan time in our country, which is very sad. To a large portion of the country, Bush could “do no right.” neither could Obama. Now Trump is in that boat. #Sad!

There are many things I disagree with Trump on, but for the media & many others there is NOTHING he could do right. He could save a kitten in a tree and be called names... including one mentioned in this thread! Those who oppose the President would be much wiser to pick their battles. As it is, they (collectively) sound stupid every time they open their mouths.

He is accused of not treating women with respect... which is partially true. It is a bit ironic, however, that he treats women with the same level of disrespect that he treats men. #EqualRights! For example, Rosie O’Donnell should be pitied and prayed for... No one should go under the abuse he has given her on Twitter. I know that she has done the same... Christ followers are called to a higher standard.
By BigRed1
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alabama24 wrote:
BigRed1 wrote:it seems you’ve labeled me as a Republican without me ever saying what I was. So in your opinion, if I’m against abortion and same sex marriage then I must be a Republican. We all know their all close minded and against anything progressive, Right? Well I hate to burst your bubble, but I’m an Independent. As to your second question, the person I voted for never won the primaries. He was strongly criticized for his conservative views by the MSM. We can’t have anybody like that running for office can we? Did I like either candidate? No, not really. But given the choice between 4 more years of progressive liberalism or someone who might agree on at least some things I believe in, the choice wasn’t that hard. Is Trump a flawed man? Of course he is. We all are. It’s my job to pray for him and his success. I can’t change who he is, but I know who can. And if we spent more time praying for him instead of criticizing him, who knows how he might turn out.


I didn’t accuse you of anything. This started when you took offense to someone saying a person could be both a “democrat” and a “Christian.” I was seeking clarity. You still haven’t answered the question! I’ll go on the record: a person can be a Democrat and/or Liberal and still be a Christian. One can also be a member of a party and not agree with every part of its platform.

As for the last half of your post: we all certainly need to pray for the President and wish him a “successful”presidency... we should do that no matter who is in office. By “successful” I don’t mean “get’s his way,” but rather “leaves the country better off” when he is done.

I believe we have come to a hyper partisan time in our country, which is very sad. To a large portion of the country, Bush could “do no right.” neither could Obama. Now Trump is in that boat. #Sad!

There are many things I disagree with Trump on, but for the media & many others there is NOTHING he could do right. He could save a kitten in a tree and be called names... including one mentioned in this thread! Those who oppose the President would be much wiser to pick their battles. As it is, they (collectively) sound stupid every time they open their mouths.

He is accused of not treating women with respect... which is partially true. It is a bit ironic, however, that he treats women with the same level of disrespect that he treats men. #EqualRights! For example, Rosie O’Donnell should be pitied and prayed for... No one should go under the abuse he has given her on Twitter. I know that she has done the same... Christ followers are called to a higher standard.

If the Republican Party pushed these agendas, I would certainly say the same thing. Hope this clarifies the point I was making. I certainly don’t claim that all elected Republicans are pro life or that all elected Democratics are pro abortion. If I belonged to a denomination that sad there were other ways to heaven other than Jesus, I would leave that denomination and have no association with it. Same with a political party. If they support and push something I don’t agree with, I wouldn’t have anything to do with them. I never “took offense” about anything. I was just asking as a Christian how one can support an organization that is so much the opposite of what the Bible teaches. If you have no problem with that, that’s your choice. Personally I just can’t support something that is contrary to God’s Word. That’s my personal conviction that I stand firm on and my intentions were never to make you angry with me. Hope this clarifies what point I was trying to make.
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By jbock13
#543920 I despise Steve Bannon.
By thepostman
#543921 The fact it took this for many in the Trump regime to realize that Steve Bannon is a friend of nobody is beyond me.

Speaks volumes of the administrations judgement or lack thereof
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By Purple Haize
#543926 I think it’s awesome the way this Bannon thing is playing out. A week ago the Liberal folks still thought he was Lucifer incarnate. Or at least a modern day Rasputin. Remember the Time or Newsweek article saying he was the puppet master of Trump and really the President? Now all of a sudden he’s a great Messiah. Exposing Trump for what the Left always knew. Well which is it? This book is crazy. We are to believe that Trump didn’t want to win but illegally colluded with putin to win the Election that he didn’t want to win And that between the hours of 8 and 10 pm on Election Night he had a great Epiphany that this was truly his destiny. Seriously? It’s a made for Telenova script!
Bannon has always wanted to expose the Media and deconstruct it. That was key to Trump winning. I don’t know about his loyalties etc but I suspect there is a larger game being played then we are seeing
Lastly. Letting a guy like Wolffe write about your first year in office is not the best idea.
By thepostman
#543932 Yeah the liberal reaction to Bannon is insane as well. Bannon may be telling the truth but he is not a person anybody should hang their hat on.
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By Class of 20Something
#543936
Purple Haize wrote:I think it’s awesome the way this Bannon thing is playing out. A week ago the Liberal folks still thought he was Lucifer incarnate. Or at least a modern day Rasputin. Remember the Time or Newsweek article saying he was the puppet master of Trump and really the President? Now all of a sudden he’s a great Messiah. Exposing Trump for what the Left always knew. Well which is it? This book is crazy. We are to believe that Trump didn’t want to win but illegally colluded with putin to win the Election that he didn’t want to win And that between the hours of 8 and 10 pm on Election Night he had a great Epiphany that this was truly his destiny. Seriously? It’s a made for Telenova script!
Bannon has always wanted to expose the Media and deconstruct it. That was key to Trump winning. I don’t know about his loyalties etc but I suspect there is a larger game being played then we are seeing
Lastly. Letting a guy like Wolffe write about your first year in office is not the best idea.


It would be hilarious if Bannon was still team Trump this whole time and it's a ploy to expose #FakeNews. Stranger than fiction for sure.
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By Purple Haize
#543940
thepostman wrote:Yeah the liberal reaction to Bannon is insane as well. Bannon may be telling the truth but he is not a person anybody should hang their hat on.


Absolutely agree to that. He is all about transactional relationships
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By Purple Haize
#543953
thepostman wrote:Which is exactly why I add it to the list of awful decisions by this administration.


No Administration is perfect.
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By Purple Haize
#543965
thepostman wrote:Don't let Trump hear you say that.


I’m just staying away from his button!!
By thepostman
#543969 "....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star....."

Like, totally.
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By Purple Haize
#543970
thepostman wrote:"....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star....."

Like, totally.


Eloquence isn’t on the Plus column for him. Ha But he gets stuff done
By jinxy
#544063 For the record i believe jk and haize have stated my opinions of him earlier with their thoughts.

Take away the name trump and just look at what hes done so far policy wise and nominee wise and what hes pushed. If the name trump wasnt involved most christians and conservatives would say this is a great agenda so far.

I choose to focus on the results knowing hes a flawed leader but his defiant nature and unscathability is almost necessary to advance any type of conservative agenda today. Any of us that hold any type of conservative leaning from pro life to marriage to tax to obamacare would be crushed in the media and main stream celebs. Most of us would quit. We just need to stay away from defending his christianity. Its the only thing ive disagreed with jr on in this process.

Ill say ive been pleasantly surprised at his first year. Not to say hes not a flawed man and tweets out some dumb things. Im just looking at what hes accomplished and trying to accomplish and for the most part its been a solid conservative agenda that most conservatives wouldnt have had the stones to pursue.
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By Purple Haize
#544068
Jonathan Carone wrote:As mostly Republicans, how do you guys feel about the AG potentially going after states who have legalized marijuana?


The hysteria has absolutely surprised me. I have friends saying this shows Sessions is truly a racist and wants to bring Jim Crow back! These are pretty level headed people to and not Trump supporters but don’t hate the guy either.
Right now you have Federal Law that supersedes State Law. So he’s just enforcing what’s on the books, which was an actual Campaign promise. The debate over whether it should be legalized or decriminalized is a different matter and not one I’m sure the Justice Department can undertake. States are granted a wide birth in how they enforce marijuana laws and I don’t think I see that changing. Just for those who made it legal
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By alabama24
#544069
Jonathan Carone wrote:As mostly Republicans, how do you guys feel about the AG potentially going after states who have legalized marijuana?


The topic is really interesting and complicated. To begin with, my position has always been: “what do the doctors say.” Since the AMA is against it, so am I. From a practical standpoint, do we think the world is better or worse with increased pot usage? (Worse)

The issue of “states rights” is also an interesting aspect of this story. Sessions should be strongly “pro” states rights... yet he is against it here.
By thepostman
#544070
jinxy wrote:For the record i believe jk and haize have stated my opinions of him earlier with their thoughts.

Take away the name trump and just look at what hes done so far policy wise and nominee wise and what hes pushed. If the name trump wasnt involved most christians and conservatives would say this is a great agenda so far.

I choose to focus on the results knowing hes a flawed leader but his defiant nature and unscathability is almost necessary to advance any type of conservative agenda today. Any of us that hold any type of conservative leaning from pro life to marriage to tax to obamacare would be crushed in the media and main stream celebs. Most of us would quit. We just need to stay away from defending his christianity. Its the only thing ive disagreed with jr on in this process.

Ill say ive been pleasantly surprised at his first year. Not to say hes not a flawed man and tweets out some dumb things. Im just looking at what hes accomplished and trying to accomplish and for the most part its been a solid conservative agenda that most conservatives wouldnt have had the stones to pursue.


I would counter this by saying if he wasn't Donald Trump and continually causing division in his own party he could of accomplished even more. The media and Hollywood have always unfairly treated conservatives which is why you need to have thick skin if you choose to run for president of the United States.