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By Purple Haize
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Jonathan Carone wrote:What about all the other reports? The mall banning him? Other people saying it was a known thing? Are those all not credible as well?

This may have been brought to light because of dirty politics but it's overwhelmingly obvious that Moore liked young girls.


2 things. There is a difference between liking young girls and liking underage girls. People saying ‘it was a known’ thing is irrelevant. Ask what specifically was known and you will get different answers.
If he truly was a sexual predator who liked underage girls there would be more contemporaneous stories of his predations. It’s a known, fact that sexual predators of underage girls continue to do so. He wouldn’t have just stopped in his mid 30’s
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By RubberMallet
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Jonathan Carone wrote:What about all the other reports? The mall banning him? Other people saying it was a known thing? Are those all not credible as well?

This may have been brought to light because of dirty politics but it's overwhelmingly obvious that Moore liked young girls.


i don't know why people are falling on the sword for this wierdo.
By Yacht Rock
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RubberMallet wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:What about all the other reports? The mall banning him? Other people saying it was a known thing? Are those all not credible as well?

This may have been brought to light because of dirty politics but it's overwhelmingly obvious that Moore liked young girls.


i don't know why people are falling on the sword for this wierdo.


Pride, maybe. Who knows.
By BuryYourDuke
#540687 I think a couple of things are at play really. The first, is that the media has literally zero credibility with run of the mill Americans, especially in "red" areas. They just don't believe or care about what they say. The 2016 election was the culmination of that phenomenon.

The second, and this will irk people, is that a lot of people choose policies over character. Right or wrong, I think an increasing number of people are choosing someone that represents their interests in the halls of power, regardless of whether they believe them to be good people. Given the choice of that versus the guy that sells your people out at every opportunity, but maintains his "respectability", I'm not sure they are wrong.

It's unfortunate that we aren't getting the option of character and policy very often, but it's the state of our society.
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By Jonathan Carone
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BuryYourDuke wrote:The second, and this will irk people, is that a lot of people choose policies over character. Right or wrong, I think an increasing number of people are choosing someone that represents their interests in the halls of power, regardless of whether they believe them to be good people. Given the choice of that versus the guy that sells your people out at every opportunity, but maintains his "respectability", I'm not sure they are wrong.


Then say that. I respect you a lot more for verbalizing that than I do the evangelical leaders who try to bastardize Christianity and the Gospel to justify some of the horrible behaviors. Don’t sell me that Trump is a great Christian. Don’t justify preying on young girls by comparing it to Mary and Joseph. I believe there is room in the Gospel to disagree politically. I’m good disagreeing there. I don’t think there’s room in the Gospel to justify sexual assault.
By BuryYourDuke
#540693 We can agree there. But at the same time, isn't that sort of what someone is saying in a round about way when they say "they are electing a president, not a Sunday school teacher"?
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By Jonathan Carone
#540695 It is. And I respect that statement. But that statement is negated when you continue to try to justify a candidate from a Christian perspective. You can’t play both sides of that card.
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By R i
#540788 *breathes a sigh of relief*- That was not that bad. Jerry did not support him or sexual assault. He just made a statement that accusations are sometimes false in political gamesmanship.

@Jim Ziegler - Mary was a virgin you goofball.
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By RubberMallet
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BuryYourDuke wrote:We can agree there. But at the same time, isn't that sort of what someone is saying in a round about way when they say "they are electing a president, not a Sunday school teacher"?


if i have a mechanic who's really good at fixing cars but looks a crapton of child porn and i find out about it somehow, i'm probably going to find a new mechanic. i'm generally not going to say "who cares i'm looking for a mechanic, not a pastor"
By jinxy
#540825 I have been saying that for months. Thats my only problem of jr in all this discussion. Simply state you think hes the best option and use the sunday school analogy. You cant possibly defend all of trumps actions as a christian. Its a battle and argument that you cant win. I think he was right but he just didnt describe his support the way he should have.

As far moore. Byd is correct. Most people that are moderate or right leaning or far right simply have zero respect for the media. Their narrative is so predictable and biased that its difficult to believe anything they say. Weve gone from reporting to nothing but opinion and support your position in the media.

The biggest part that doesnt make sense for moore is that if he was known to be such a creep then why wouldnt these folks have come forward. I totally get it if this guy was a standup guy with a great rep. It would be tough to challenge. But if hes the town flirt and creep then it should have been easy. He did present a pretty good defense against one of the claims today i saw. Basically the accuser was grinding an old ax from a divorce proceeding that he was over. Havent heard much of a defense on the others.
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By Jonathan Carone
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jinxy wrote:As far moore. Byd is correct. Most people that are moderate or right leaning or far right simply have zero respect for the media. Their narrative is so predictable and biased that its difficult to believe anything they say. Weve gone from reporting to nothing but opinion and support your position in the media.


If we're talking purely politics, I can see this viewpoint. However, switch the lens you're looking through for this story. When you look at this through the post-Weinstein lens, you see it's another example of something that has been exposed by legitimate journalism. The stories and research being written on the sexual assault by men in power (Weinstein, Spacey, Louis CK, etc) have been nothing short of unbiased, great journalism. It's my belief those stories are what allowed these women to have the confidence to speak publicly. That confidence was then amplified because of politics.
By BuryYourDuke
#540836 when someone says "look at things through this lens" what they actually mean is, utilize this bias and presupposition.
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By Purple Haize
#540861 Another revelation that Roy Moore is guilty!! ‘Unwanted Advances’ is a pretty broad (pardon the pun) phrase. I would wager every single one of us have made some type of ‘unwanted advance’. And when denied let it be. We apparently are now all criminals

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By LUminary
#540890 Al Franken kissed and groped me without my consent,’ broadcaster Leeann Tweeden says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/11/16/al-franken-kissed-and-groped-me-without-my-consent-broadcaster-leeann-tweeden-says/?utm_term=.b8666eb0660d
By ALUmnus
#540889 Al Franken:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42018154

Bob Menendez:
Too much to link, but Google about the sitting US Senator and his ongoing corruption trial that possibly involved underage prostitutes.

Roy Moore should probably concede to his primary opponent (even though this is obviously dirty politics), and these two above should resign immediately.

Can we stop putting trash on the ballots?
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By flameshaw
#540939 Not sure I have seen "legitimate" or "great journalism" in many,many years, but I tend to be more cynical than most. In addition, I am older than dirt, so I do remember when one could primarily count on the news to be somewhat truthful.
I have already heard a journalist on the tv today, saying how different the Roy Moore and Al Franken situations are. (She was defending AF). The only difference that I see, is that there are pictures of AF doing his thing and none of Roy Moore.
Based on the information that has come out on RM the last couple of days, I am more inclined to believe there may be something to the accusations against him. But I am still open to giving him a little more time. Some of the RM accusers family members have called them liars and there appears to be some question over the veracity of the signatures in the yearbook.
Interested in seeing where this goes. Can't see how AF survives this one, but he is a Dim-o-crap, so it is always a possibility. Looks like Menendez has dodged a major bullet.
By lynchburgwildcats
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RubberMallet wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:What about all the other reports? The mall banning him? Other people saying it was a known thing? Are those all not credible as well?

This may have been brought to light because of dirty politics but it's overwhelmingly obvious that Moore liked young girls.


i don't know why people are falling on the sword for this wierdo.

Because both Republicans and Democrats in general are obsessed with supporting people form their party no matter what. Some politicians sometimes show they actually have a moral backbone, but it seems like 99 times out of 100 they don't. This whole idea of party > country nonsense is cancerous.
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By RubberMallet
#541303 yeah its been fascinating. moore deny deny deny his supporters are split to me. some are "we don't believe it happened" and the other half is "who cares, we can't let a dem have it"

then on the other side, i don't see much denial. yet you see a lot of victim blaming on on one hand. then on the other hand you see these people who made these people their heros are like LOST

i'm like if you are "All my life I looked up to a guy who had bit parts on Saturday Night Live and wrote books with titles like Why I'm Really Really Smart And All Republicans Are Big Dumb Poopyheads." then you are an idiot and have bad heros.
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By ElmersTwin
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RubberMallet wrote:yeah its been fascinating. moore deny deny deny his supporters are split to me. some are "we don't believe it happened" and the other half is "who cares, we can't let a dem have it"

then on the other side, i don't see much denial. yet you see a lot of victim blaming on on one hand. then on the other hand you see these people who made these people their heros are like LOST

i'm like if you are "All my life I looked up to a guy who had bit parts on Saturday Night Live and wrote books with titles like Why I'm Really Really Smart And All Republicans Are Big Dumb Poopyheads." then you are an idiot and have bad heros.


And then you have those with a new take on the situation.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... eir-purity