[thepostman]

The problem with our current system of leadership is each individual RA has their own set of rules they are bent on enforcing. Each RA has a different standered than another RA. It's to the point now where each rule is subjective. Is he out of dress code with his hair, or isn't he? Some RAs will say yes, the others no.

I think it's time to get rid of the subjectiveness. I have no problem writing reps for someone who dropped an F bomb in the middle of a game in Lahaye. Said person clearly violated the LU way. I do have a problem for writing somebody up for two pieces of lint on their floor.

It's a fine line and not all of leadership at LU tip-toes it at the same pace.

sophmore year, that was my life. I did not handle it well at all. I developed a bad attitude and often said things I shouldn't

and yes TallyW this is a legalistic issue, because so many people have so many different opinions on language, the only thing that is clear in the Bible is that we are to treat people as you would like to be treated....that is really the only fault in SJ's whole thing....it didn't really NEED to be said, he just thought it was funny...whatever....but as far as language....everybody has a different opinion on it and i guess that really we should just be sensative to one another and how we use language.

[TallyW]

Legalism is a cheap definition here. Legalism is outside the bounds of scripture. Calling someone a d-----bag or consistantly opposing authority structures are not legalistic... these are very biblical issues.

[thepostman]

Legalism is a cheap definition here. Legalism is outside the bounds of scripture. Calling someone a d-----bag or consistantly opposing authority structures are not legalistic... these are very biblical issues.

ok, but i have read posts where he is sticking up for the administration too

as for calling people douchebags and such, that falls into the category of treating people the way you want to be treated, love your neighbor as yourself kind of a thing, that should be the true focus of this whole thing, not the language being used

[TallyW]

We agree. The point isn't the words... its' the heart and out of the heart a man speaks. That's my point with basically everything I've written in this thread.

I have heard SJ say positive things and I've encouraged that (many find it to be humerous but I am honest in my support of SJ's pursuits) [I don't know him on a personal level and I never claim to judge him at that level... I only make observations about what I read on here]

My goal isn't to get anyone to agree with the administration, Liberty Way or even particular RA's... my goal is simply to highlight that we have to encourage maturity and a respect for one another. When the board slides into supporting the other... we're all to blame for it. Whether you speak up or not you contribute to the climate of the board.

But yeah... we agree postman...

[SuperJon]

The problem with our current system of leadership is each individual RA has their own set of rules they are bent on enforcing. Each RA has a different standered than another RA. It's to the point now where each rule is subjective. Is he out of dress code with his hair, or isn't he? Some RAs will say yes, the others no.

I think it's time to get rid of the subjectiveness. I have no problem writing reps for someone who dropped an F bomb in the middle of a game in Lahaye. Said person clearly violated the LU way. I do have a problem for writing somebody up for two pieces of lint on their floor.

It's a fine line and not all of leadership at LU tip-toes it at the same pace.

I was waiting for our FlameFans RA to step up and say something.

To whoever said I should be glad it was a guy that said something and not a girl: I hear more girls use that line than I do guys.

To everyone else: I don't find fault in any of my language. I see no difference in the words I use and every Liberty male constantly yelling the word "Frick" whenever they screw up. As Dr. Bell would call them, they're "Christian cuss words" and we use them in place of other words. I don't think anything said in this thread, language wise or calling out an RA, would get this site blocked. The thing that would get it blocked is the constant criticizing of every single thing that the athletic department or academic leaders do. I've done my fair share of complaining. Everyone knows I think we should be allowed to wear nice shorts with collared shirts on days like yesterday when it was 95 degrees. Everyone knows I think we shouldn't have a curfew. Other than that, everyone knows I have no problem with the other rules at LU. I have my opinions and I'm not going to let an over-zealous administration shut me up like 90% of the students at Liberty.

[ALUmnus]

the only thing that is clear in the Bible is that we are to treat people as you would like to be treated

Bill O'Reilly christianity.

[thepostman]

the only thing that is clear in the Bible is that we are to treat people as you would like to be treated

Bill O'Reilly christianity.

actually i think that is Jesus Christ christianity....but hey what do i know....

[TallyW]

I have to agree with Alumnus... there are PLENTY of things clear in scripture apart from treating people like we want to be treated. If that is the only thing that is clear... people should follow any one of a dozen faiths that teach the same principle. That is the point here... there is far more to our faith than playing nice in the sandbox.

[Brokeback Flamer]

The point isn't the words... its' the heart and out of the heart a man speaks. That's my point with basically everything I've written in this thread." SJ - It's official, you are schizophrenic (or however it is spelled). Your heart is conflicted. On one hand you speak good and well of others but then sometimes you don't. Perhaps you should change your name to SuperJanus, the two faced Roman god. (You could keep the same initials) The use of language IS very subjective, as are a whole host of "lifestyle" issues. (we will avoid the elephant in the room) While not a pastor, I do recall reading of the different things the early Christian churches were doing. I believe that Paul guy said we should be sensitive to those around us as we exercise our "Christian freedoms". i.e. Idol Sacrificed meat. Compared to any other message board on earth this is VERY tame and speaks VOLUMES about what and who we are. To have someone pushed under a bus for using DB, is evidence. We have all been in your position SJ, and those that went to LU all had problems at one time or another with the rules and/or RA's. As you grow older and have more experiences you will most likely change the way you approach/respond to situations like that. I am going out on a limb and say that this incident does NOT mark you as a failure. I would look towards the positive things you do and say that the fact that you seem to be a self starter, able to think for yourself, take the initiative and are able to solicit opinions from others to obtain your goals as much better indicators to your future success/failure then using a phrase/word that some find questionable.

BTW, in this whole full discloser thing: I am NOT trying to hit on or pick you up!!!! ALthough someone did mention I should wer gloves on T'day. Hmmmmmmmmm Maybe Willy Wonka purple?

[thepostman]

I have to agree with Alumnus... there are PLENTY of things clear in scripture apart from treating people like we want to be treated. If that is the only thing that is clear... people should follow any one of a dozen faiths that teach the same principle. That is the point here... there is far more to our faith than playing nice in the sandbox.

yeah, but the two things Jesus stressed the most was Love God the father, and love your neighbor as yourself, I think that if we lived by these 2 commandments by Jesus that all these other things we argue about would not even come into question. If you think this is making the gospel message too simple, then so be it. I just think that these 2 things are the most important things we as Christians have to do.

you can poke fun of me all you want with statements like "there is far more to our faith than playing nice in the sandbox" or maybe really think about it. Do we make the Christian faith more complex then it is?? I think so, I had no idea that by saying the things I have been saying would cause such problems.

There are dozens of faiths with the same ideas as Christianity, the difference with Christianity is that we have Jesus who died and paid the ultimate price for us, people that argue with eachother about dumb petty things....that is the gospel message and to make it more complex then that, in my opinion, is wrong and is why so many people are turned off from Christianity. Jesus didn't go around making things complex and adding things all the time, he made things simple so even an 8 year old child could understand. As we get older we try to make the gospel message more complex to impress people with knowledge I think. I use to do the same thing, but have changed that way of thought. Call me crazy, say I practice Bill O Reilly Christianity whatever the heck that means, because really this is what God has shown himself to be in my life

[4everfsu]

SJ I said the following

To whoever said I should be glad it was a guy that said something and not a girl: I hear more girls use that line than I do guys.

Just because someone else says it doesn't make it right what you said especially in the context it was used. Also I said it because if you had posted this on a web site visited primarily by women, you would have have heard a lot more about the name being used, that is all

[SuperJon]

Once again, I disagree. That term is used as much as butt hole in the world today. Men and women both use it and it's not the same way as you think it is. It's just like that word "fag" or "gay." People use that all the time to describe something that's stupid or annoying. It's taken on a different meaning.

[TallyW]

Wow... we're down to debating the actual words. It's an issue of the heart. Apparently severl people believe that Jesus would want his followers with his names walking around acting arrogant and calling names while avoiding living within guidlines of established authority. I don't see that in scripture anywhere. To me this is a heart issue.

Pride is amazing. It will cause people to defend the worst attitudes as if they were honoring to God. Simply amazing.

There have been times on this board when I realized I was out of line and I sucked it up and made it right with individuals. We've all been there. The point is not comparing our good vs. bad... it's simply saying "Is that right for me to do?" Period. No matter how self-sufficient and amazing we think we are we should never get to the point where we cannot observe our actions one by one and see if they line up with the Savior. All of us need to do that from time to time. Part of the reason Christians today have a hard time with it is that they dont' have accountability built into their spiritual life so they dont' know how to take it.

[SuperJon]

I still see no problem with anything I've said.

[PAmedic]

I'm praying I awaken tomorrow to find this thread LOCKED, as it has LONG outlived ANY possible usefulness.

Thursday night CANNOT come soon enough.

Everybody relax.

[A.G.]

TOUCHE'

(or is is d-----')???

[SuperJon]

Had I been drinking something, it would've been spit all of the computer reading that last line.

[Brokeback Flamer]

TALLY You are the one who actually brought up what you thought was the inappropriateness of a word. So why criticize it the fact we are debating actaul words? You are absolutely correct that it is the spirit of the person, not the words that are barometers. I am pretty sure no one was advocting that the use of the DB word was the latest thing in prosthelitizing (or spelling) It is just that not ALL of us here on the board found the word insulting or inappropriate. It does appear that you want to judge his WHOLE attitude based on one word. You do bring in the other "bad" posts of problems he has at LU, dress code hair etc., but does that mean he has a bad attitude? If that was all he was doing then I would agree. But alas, this guy has a HECK, yes I said it HECK, of a lot more school spirit and a heart for the athletic department then most people at the school as a whole and even some on this board. His decision to comet o LU shows a sense of spiritual awareness, that quite frankly not a lot of people "his age" have. So cut the guy some slack, Q-tip out your ears or Visine your eyes if you are that offended, but don't pass judegement on a faceless poster and claim he is on the road to ruin in life and after life.

[A.G.]

Friends, I present to you James 3. I think much of what is said here can carry over to message boards:

James 3
Taming the Tongue
1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check.

3When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, 8but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt[a] water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.
Two Kinds of Wisdom
13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

[Brokeback Flamer]

AMEN Brother Iagree things can get beat to death on boards (not by me of course )
My only concern now is whether or not u will be taking up an offering now?

[A.G.]

It is the good side. Of the force. Invading my being! A strange transformation.

[Jasmen8182]

Even a secular show host like Dr. Phil acknowledges that certain things are inappropriate, particularly in mixed company. I will say that while certain words (DB, B-....) elicit a complete lack of admiration for the user, my mouth in the last 5-10 yrs. has been less christlike. Tall, thank you so much for the reminders about who our example is to be. Does Jesus love everyone? Yes! Did he set boundaries and not put up with certain behaviors? Yes! I'm glad A.G. brought up James; the main topic of the book is pure and undefiled religion. (My church had a group study on the whole book through Precept Ministries; it showed how to study inductively- anyone remember that class from LU?) Yrs. ago, a youth sponsor gave a talk about "Christian curse words"- which I also use all too frequently- they are just an EXCUSE. I am convicted daily about the example I am to my children; it's better to just not start, but heaping guilt is no good either. God's power is available for us to become more like Christ; I can't hear Him say,"Get the frickin' heck over hear you PITA."
PA, sorry I had to add to it- you guys were talkin' abt. girls.... Tally, I respect where you're coming from and can't believe that you're a 28 yr. old pastor! Nonetheless, let me share what my 12 yr. old just told me (picked up from DSwight Knight- the speaker at MBC youth camp in NH couple wks. ago): if you've stated the truth it will stand on it's own.
Lastly , yrs. ago an unsaved guy I dated tried to get me to drop an "F bomb." I literally could not say it; how I long for that now. My REACTION to life's disappointments and frustrations has done a # on my vocabulary.

[4everfsu]

Jasmen, I have to agree with you, especially on saying things we should not. It is something I don't like about myself, and it is funny when I was younger I was never like this. Thanks for a woman's perspective on the subject of this topic.