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By A.G.
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#19481
This guy seems almost TOO slick, too produced, but I like what he has to say about having to acknolwedge the "religious right." Not sure I like JF being lumped into the same sentance with Pat R, though.

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Jun 28, 6:09 PM EDT

Obama: Democrats Must Court Evangelicals

By DAVID ESPO
AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama chastised fellow Democrats on Wednesday for failing to "acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people," and said the party must compete for the support of evangelicals and other churchgoing Americans.

"Not every mention of God in public is a breach to the wall of separation. Context matters," the Illinois Democrat said in remarks to a conference of Call to Renewal, a faith-based movement to overcome poverty.

"It is doubtful that children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance feel oppressed or brainwashed as a consequence of muttering the phrase `under God,'" he said. "Having voluntary student prayer groups using school property to meet should not be a threat, any more than its use by the High School Republicans should threaten Democrats."

Obama, the only black in the Senate, drew national notice even before arriving in Congress last year, and has occasionally used his visibility to scold members of his own party. Widely sought as a fundraiser for other Democrats, Obama responded with a noncommittal laugh this spring when asked whether he wants a spot on the national ticket in 2008.

His speech included unusually personal references to religion, the type of remarks that usually come more readily from Republicans than Democrats.

"Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me," he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. "I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth."

Obama said millions of Christians, Muslims and Jews have traveled similar religious paths, and that is why "we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse. ... In other words, if we don't reach out to evangelical Christians and other religious Americans and tell them what we stand for, Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons will continue to hold sway."

Obama coupled his advice with a warning. "Nothing is more transparent than inauthentic expressions of faith: the politician who shows up at a black church around election time and claps - off rhythm - to the gospel choir."

At the same time, he said, "Secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering the public square."

As a result, "I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people and join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy."

Obama mentioned leaders of the religious right briefly, saying they must "accept some ground rules for collaboration" and recognize the importance of the separation of church and state.
By Guest
#19487
Theres a thread somewhere on this board from a long time ago where his name was getting thrown around
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By TallyW
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#19497
Get to know this guy. He will one day be your president. most likely in 2012.
By LUconn
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#19513
Doubtful. He's a senator and he'll have a lengthy voting record by then. It's 2008 or never for him and I doubt he even wants to run in '08.
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By TallyW
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#19514
He's a Junior Senator who was given the platform at the DNC before he was elected to jack.

2010 would be the end of his first term. Perfect timing to start a run for Prez. Need I remind you that last years Democratic Candidate was a Senator with close to 20 years of a voting record and his running mate was also a senator. Ohh yeaah, this year's top Republican canidate is also a long-time Senator. The streak will break at some point where a sitting senator will become president again.

And if you look to contrast Kerry and Obama... it's EASY. Obama is 10 times more articulate and 10 times less likely to say anything stupid between now and then. Obama would also be riding the civil rights waves as the first African American male leading a major party's ticket. I assure you that Republicans will have to contend with him and to be honest I don't know of a good match up for him. Condoleezza Rice is the only one I could see but she may be in office already.
By LUconn
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#19515
TallyW wrote: Need I remind you that last years Democratic Candidate was a Senator with close to 20 years of a voting record and his running mate was also a senator.
Are you trying to prove me right? I'm confused :?


The streak will break at some point where a sitting senator will become president again.

It's not a streak because it's just unlucky thing that happens to senators. If you've got too much of a record of opinions and decisions, it's too easy to attack. I'm not saying that this is fair and just, but that's the way it is. The only way one will get elected is if the other side is stupid enough to pick a senator themselves. Then you really don't have a choice besides some loser 3rd party candidate who won't ever be elected. It's a crappy system that used to be good until politics got involved.

I used to enjoy talking and reading about politics but I really can't stand anybody in Washington anymore. It's like I have to pick who I dislike the least to succeed.
By givemethemic
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#19541
I like Obama, don't agree on alot of issuses but the man goes after things and gets them done, he is one of the greatest speakers in the senate and I think he will definitely be the Pres in 2012, he is very smooth..
By vastrightwinger
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#19550
Obama has done a great job of courting the "average American" vote. He is one of only a handful of Senators that is not a millionare. I do however agree that it is 2008 or never for him, but not as a Presidential Candidate. Rather I feel the Dems will try to place him on the ticket as a VP candidate with the like of John Edwards. As much as I hate to admit it, that would be a dream ticket. Two young, charasmatic leaders, one from the South, the other the North would go a long way for them. If he goes in as VP in '08, it sets up the potential of him for Pres in 2016. Watch this guy.
By A.G.
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#19553
I would think former Va gov Warner and Obama would be a tough ticket to beat. Both moderates, with Warner on more of the conservative side. Heck, I would ALMOST vote for that ticket.
By Libertine
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#19564
I really hope the Dems aren't smart enough to back Mark Warner for prez. I disagree w/ the man on nearly everything but he is certainly "electable". I take some consolation from the fact that, in order to win a national nomination, no matter how good the candidate looks, they would have to toe the Dem party line to win the nomination and that's going to drag most of their solid candidates way to the left of their base constituency.

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