[absturgill]

Look at these 2 geniuses.

Salem Copty and Andy Ferris came with three friends from Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., to spend the afternoon relaxing and sharing a hookah pipe at the Shesha Cafe and Hookah Lounge.

"We wanted to see what it was like here," said Copty, a freshman from Jerusalem, blowing smoke rings into the air. "We just wanted to come."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... rrer=email

[SuperJon]

They're getting reps.

[ATrain]

They're getting reps.

How? The article doesn't name who our students were, and if they're smart they didn't go running their mouths around people who would tell.

[SuperJon]

I was thinking the kid's name were the ones mentioned. I didn't read that it said, "And friends from LU."

That's what I get for reading it during humanities.

[Libertine]

They're getting reps.

How?

What do you want to bet that Copty and Ferris have Facebook accounts? And what do you want to bet that their three "friends of LU" are listed there?

[Schfourteenteen]

The thing here guys is that if i am correct Ahndee and Salem are from different countries, where it is not even a questionable deal at all. I know we abide by the Liberty Way, and they should get reps dot dot dot. But at the same point I can understand how they wouldnt think of that while doing something theyve done all their life.

That is a generalization, and no I do not know either of them. I did however have a friend from Nepal who while was here broke ocme rules and was kicked out for the following semester (It happened Spring 06 and he was told he couldnt come back the following semester). It turns out he got saved later that semester after a car wreck almost took his life, but he still wasnt allowed to come back. Again I dont have every detail, and it is his story so idk if theres more, but I feel more sympathetic in a case like this.

[TDDance234]

I don't agree with using that was an excuse. What I do have a problem with is we don't have the neccessary resources in conveying the rules/regulations to them in a way they understand (again, a much deeper debate).

[LUconn]

where I come from, THE NORTH, we have a lot of normal practicies that are against The Way. I'd still get in trouble as anybody else for dropping a wicked F bomb. Well not now I wouldn't, I can say whatever I want. But I would have.

[jmdickens]

I think we need to stop putting the Liberty Way on the same level as the Bible......

these students from other countries grew up entirely different than us and we should tolerate some of their mistakes.......

If they get reps, I think they should be able to have them appealed........

[LUconn]

yes, we should treat it more like a contract. As if they had signed something to that affect. Oh wait, that's exactly what it is, and how it's treated.

[RubberMallet]

i never broke the liberty way

[jmdickens]

There are students who have never signed the Liberty Way but still live on campus

[LUconn]

Well, if that's true, I don't see how they can be held to it.

[pbow]

I just sort of skimmed through the article, but if they were just smoking from a hookah pipe it does not necessarily mean that they were smoking tobacco in it. A lot of people put fruits and things like that in hookah pipes to smoke.

[jmdickens]

I just sort of skimmed through the article, but if they were just smoking from a hookah pipe it does not necessarily mean that they were smoking tobacco in it. A lot of people put fruits and things like that in hookah pipes to smoke.

Yes, they do pbow....in Lebanon

[thepostman]

I have never once signed the liberty way agreement...the times I lived on campus I got one, but i didn't sign it thinking i did get into trouble I could get out of it that way....well, if you use that excuse they tell you that the fact that you are enrolled and here means you agree to follow the liberty way....

[jmdickens]

I have never once signed the liberty way agreement...the times I lived on campus I got one, but i didn't sign it thinking i did get into trouble I could get out of it that way....well, if you use that excuse they tell you that the fact that you are enrolled and here means you agree to follow the liberty way....

Actually I got out of reps by using the same argument

It all matters who is in charge, which is part of the problem

[SuperJon]

I never signed anything. I just thought it was understood that if you enroll, you agree.

[LUconn]

huh, how about that. I'm not so sure the whole, "you agree by your enrollment" would hold up in court. I guess you could make a case out of it. Lucky for them nobody is gonna go to court over 15 reps.

[TDDance234]

I'm not positive but I don't think it could even get that far, being a private university, the courts lose jurisdiction, correct?

[LUconn]

Well, they can't fine you for no reason, just because it's a private school. They still have to abide by federal and state laws.

[Libertine]

It's not that the courts don't have jurisdiction; it's that you would have absolutely no case. Every student receives a copy of the Liberty Way when they come in so the rules have been plainly spelled out for them and they are assumed to have been accepted as evidenced by the student's continued enrollment. Whether or not the student actually even reads the LW or signs anything is completely irrelevant from a legal standpoint.

[SuperJon]

Honestly, I never remember receiving a copy of it. I just knew things from word of mouth.

[LUconn]

That's the case when you've signed off on it. But I think any ambulance chaser could make a very convincing argument that the rules dont apply to you because you did not sign any such agreement, I doubt it's stated anywhere that your enrollment assumes you are held to those rules, and they did not deny you from the school since you didnt sign. They used to make sure everybody signed with no exception. Even if you didn't read it.

[Libertine]

The judge better be in the ambulance for that argument to hold up.