[SuperJon]

I don't wanna take things away from the law school so I'll start this.

Some people think the 12:00/12:30 curfew is too liberal, some think that there shouldn't be a curfew. Discuss it here. I'll post my thoughts later.

[TallyW]

I'm actually in the boat that says that the curfew is fine. There are legit exemptions to the curfew for scholastic reasons (computer lab). To me, one of the things that Liberty provides its students is a sense of structure and discipline. I have news for any student... when you get into the work place you will have to deal with regulations or red tape that you may not agree with. Tough. LU prepares you to learn how to be disciplined regardless of what is around you.

There was another thread talking about what there was to do in Lynchburg... I have a question... What is there to do in Lynchburg past midnight?

The curfew may go down the way of the dress code for growth sake but I personally feel that its a distinctive that helps the campus. The other thing it does is provides a sense of safety. After midnight if someone is outside, LUPD will likely stop them. With no curfew and people all over campus late at night we don't have a clue if people are up to trouble (non-LU students especially). Having the curfew allows for a sense of order and security for our students.

It may go and it doesn't directly affect me but I think there are plenty of reasons to keep it and this is just one thing that current students need to get over. You signed the papers to come, you renew every year... accept it unless the administration changes

[Sly Fox]

I guess Tally's joining us Old Hags as Old Fogies. I hated to see the dress code for class downgraded. I believe dressing in business attire was great experience for the business world. It also fostered a more professional attitude in the classroom. But that ship has sailed.

As for the curfew, it serves a purpose. As Tally mentioned there are a zillion exemptions to get around it. But it does somewhat force some discipline into students (especially freshmen who could use it).

[PAmedic]

You guys are OLD OLD OLD hags. I'm glad to see the relaxation of a few regs here and there- its not like its open bar night in dorm 12. Let kids be kids- when you don't have to "get away with it" it ceases to be an event- w/in a year no one will remember curfews and they'll still be in by 1 or 2.

[El Scorcho]

I'm all for keeping the curfew as well. I'll second the need for the structure and add that I don't think there's anything worth doing past 1am in Lynchburg anyway. As much as people may complain, some of my best memories at LU came from being stuck on a hall with a bunch of guys after curfew.

Also, from the Law School thread: TallyW, you pointed out that the RA's help enforce curfew in addition to LUPD. This is true, however, room checks happen at curfew, and not again after that. Sure RA's stand a chance of noticing that someone is missing in passing, but generally speaking, they only do one room check. These days, it seems that people just leave campus again after the checks are over.

So for me, there's a balance. I liked the curfew, the dress code and The Liberty Way in general. If I didn't (unlike a lot of other students, it seems), I would never have come to Liberty. On the other side of things, a part of me always wondered how much time and energy was absolutely wasted on making sure that people (who are otherwise considered to be adults by society at large) had shirts tucked in, ties worn properly, and that they made their beds in the morning. Seems like a lot of time and effort better spent on other things. I can also see where some people would think that stuff more appropriate for a K-12 boarding school.

Yeah. I guess I can see both sides of things when it comes to the "structure" rules. In the end, I always fall on the side of the "old" way, though. Guess I just didn't feel like it was all that bad when I did it.

[PAmedic]

Dude- I am mesmerized by your dog and can't concentrate on anything you are saying.

I think his eyes are following me.

[LUconn]

As a couple have said, there is no reason to be out past 12 that is within the rest of the Liberty Way anyway(aside from work and an occasional few things that may come up rarely). Occasionally Movies 10 has a show that will end a little past 12. I always thought it treated us like children but really it was just an extra barrier to keep you from doing other things. Seriously, there's like 3 restaurants open and that's it.

[jcmanson]

I think that the curfew should definitely stay. Why would anyone want to be out past midnight? There is nothing to do that is benefitial except for going to Wal-Mart. Which who wants to go there that late? Not me.

[TallyW]

Also, from the Law School thread: TallyW, you pointed out that the RA's help enforce curfew in addition to LUPD. This is true, however, room checks happen at curfew, and not again after that. Sure RA's stand a chance of noticing that someone is missing in passing, but generally speaking, they only do one room check. These days, it seems that people just leave campus again after the checks are over.

You don't throw out policies because a few people blatantly violate them.

Also, with enforcement... 'People don't do what you expect, they do what you inspect' Companies spend a ton of time making sure procedure is followed, shirts are tucked in, people show up on time, etc. I assure you, students who graduate with many of these policies in place were in a good situation as they headed for their careers.

Rules I was glad to see thrown away: No TV's, No Facial Hair, Class dress in non-class buildings, etc.

[SuperJon]

I'm fine either way with curfew. I live off campus so I haven't had to deal with it yet. The only way it has affected me is we would have people hanging out over here watchin tv, a movie, playing video games, or whatever, and before we knew it it was 11:45 and they had to rush to get back to school even if a movie wasn't over or whatever. That's the only problem I've had with it. One of the two times I stayed on campus last semester I left at 3 in the morning with some friends to go get something to eat at Sheetz. My friends have signed out every weekend but one and spent the majority of the weekend over here. We don't drink or anything like that, just like the freedom to run to Taco Bell at 1 in the morning or just hang out and junk. One of the reasons I do live off campus is curfew and some of the other petty rules. I agree with most of the Liberty Way, I just come from a different background and like a lil more freedom than living on campus gives you. I think one of my friends has been to maybe one hall meeting so far this semester because he's 21 and signs out on Thursday night so he doesn't hafta go.

With all of that being said, I agree with what was said on here earlier: if curfew is taken away, most kids would still be in by 1am anyways. If it gets kids to come to school here that normally wouldn't then I think it's a good thing. Had the old dress code been in place I never even would've considered transferring here. Some kids have been stuck under so many rules from their parents growing up that they want to come to college and have a little bit of freedom, but they also want to be in a Christian setting. Contrary to popular belief by many people, you can be a Christian and still have fun late at night. Wal-Mart at 1 in the morning is fun. So is the Waffle House or IHOP. If there's a concert/show in Greensboro, Richmond, Raleigh, or something like that, a student should be able to go to it without having to worry about if they're going to get back before midnight. I had some friends in a band playing on a Sunday night in Greensboro a couple weeks ago. I didn't want to go by myself but the only other people I knew that would enjoy that music lived on campus, and they couldn't go because of curfew. None of us had class until 12:30 the next day but since he had to be in by midnight, he couldn't go. Don't take this as me complaining because like I said, I don't really have a problem with it. I'm just showing how it would draw more students here. I was a Christian before I got here but I can tell I've grown in the month I've been here, while still being able to do the types of things that I like to do. The most important thing is getting more people here and keeping them here. That's the way for us to touch more lives and make a bigger impact in the world.

I also think no curfew teaches discipline. As it is right now, students are forced to be in their hall by midnight on school nights. This is when most people do their homework, study, and all of that. With no curfew, if forces kids to use better time management and be disciplined about their school work. The academic policies won't change. The students will still have to go to class and make the grades. Maybe I'm in the minority in that aspect but I think it teaches discipline.

Overall, I don't care, I can see it going both ways.

[LUconn]

Technically, you still do have curfew. There's just nobody to check to see that you're in your apartment.

When I was living in the dorms, you'd stay up at least until 12 every night. I was always under the impression that if there wasn't a curfew people wouldnt feel obligated to stay up until 12. Maybe people would go to sleep at 10 or 11. That would have been nice on some nights. Also, changing this rule would effect a lot of other rules, such as signing out, etc. I wonder how they'd handle all that.

[Sly Fox]

I fully understand your points, SJ. And when I was in school I agreed with you. But looking back now as an Old Hag I have a different perspective. But there certainly is room for discussion on both sides of the issue.

[TallyW]

I too would have had more to complain about when I was in school. Being out however has changed my perspective.

I find it funny as I read the posts how the Old Hags end up with similar viewpoints after they've graduated and gotten into their careers.

To current students, the rest of us look:
a. like we want to punish them for what we went through
b. dumb as dirt for some of our views
c. old and senile
d. like we have something worth considering
e. just plain old

[SuperJon]

I went to bed at 9:30 last night and slept til 8:30 this morning so I can see your point of going to bed early. I had nothing better to do and was tired so I said what the heck and went to bed.

[jcmanson]

SJ, did you go to the men's game last night?

JW, I know you have said before that you thought it was boring.

[SuperJon]

No, I didn't. I haven't felt too great lately. Some sinus mess. That's why I'm not in class (GNED) now. It's been a good day bad day deal lately. Felt horrible Saturday and last night and fine Sunday.

[jcmanson]

Oh, well I hope you feel better.

[ATrain]

I'm normally in my dorm by 10 anyway...unless I'm on another hall or something. As far as curfew, I've never been stopped by LUPD when walking back from the computer lab, so they don't really enforce it either. Secondly, its very easy to break, and if anyone was fortunate enough to have an extremely slack RA (like I was for a couple semesters), then you probably could get away with staying out overnight for days at a time (no...I never did that...I just hung out in the TV lab with Doc Troxel's son till 3/4/5/6 AM on a bunch of nights...he has now graduated which has ended that tradition).

[cheerbren]

Ok - the curfew is what made me rebel the most against Liberty. My parents made me go there so I can thank them and myself too. I think that it should stay though. You all are asking "what can you do past midnight?". Well, if the whole town is shut down and you are in your car with your honey - I don't need to go on. I know you can do that anytime but at night it seems more secret or something. It makes Liberty different and I like that now.

[LUconn]

You all are asking "what can you do past midnight?". Well, if the whole town is shut down and you are in your car with your honey - I don't need to go on.

That's exactly the point. Trouble is really the only thing to do past the current curfew time.

[SuperJon]

But you can do that even before curfew. It gets dark around 6:30. I'm just playing devil's advocate once again.

I was thinkin about this today because I have that kind of time, but would a happy medium between curfew and no curfew be to allow kids to live off campus before they're 21? Just throwin out ideas.

[PAmedic]

YAWN.

JMHO!