[Cider Jim]

Whoever put up that notice, should be expelled.

Too late, Ballcoach. He is already an LU alum.

[thepostman]

The person who posted those signs is an alum?

[LUOrange]

!. I don't think Liberty has done anything wrong towards the Rona this fall. I actually appreciate the fact they're not mandating the vax or requiring masks. I'd actually be very upset if they did. As far as the quarantine goes, I understand why they're doing it, and it's not unreasonable considering the political and PR climate, and then throw in the fact that LGH is at or near capacity. I think they're trying to accommodate a lot of people and mindsets in order to make the semester go as smoothly as possible. They're also not trying to be as confrontational as Jr. and Dr. Falwell were and could be. So it's understandable and reasonable, IMO.

2. As per the kid's flier, I understand his frustration. But I didn't see where the University was mandating masks or social distancing, except for classes, convo/campus Church, and the Marriott. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Also, what's he going to do with a locked classroom and/or no professor? He's still going to have to log in. It's 2 weeks. He's still on campus with his friends, he'll be fine.

3. Some of y'all need to not confuse science with what Fauci, Biden, Northam, and the media tells you is science. Do your own research, pray about it, and make your own decision. But let me clarify- your own decision. Not mine. Masks don't work, but wear one if it makes you feel secure. Vaccine's, especially these ones, should not be mandated. Get it if you believe you need it. Don't get it if you don't trust it. Stand on the blue dots on the floor if you think they'll protect you. But the goalposts keep moving, Folks, and at best they're telling us half-truths on the Rona and they're lying to us at worst. But we're going down a slippery slope road that we all know where it goes.

4. Having had to deal with Centra through work, as patient and a family member of a patient, I've made my wife promise to never let be treated and die at LGH. Instead carry my big but north to Ballcoach's Boo-Hoo Hospital in Charlottesville.

[ballcoach15]

I got admitted to LGH on Palm Sunday. The care I received was excellent. My only complaint was my favorite nurse, did not work my 2nd day there.

[stokesjokes]

Ugh.

I Peter 2:13-17

We can debate context but it is worthy of discussion when you see things like this being posted on campus.

Thank you, Sly.

I’ve been struggling with this in regards to my kids at LCA. When the mask mandate came out, LCA sent a letter saying “we have to honor the mandate, but you can request an exemption due to health conditions or sincerely held religious beliefs. Also, we’re going to grant every exemption claimed.”

Fast forward to the start of school and ever since, about 90-95% of all teachers, students, and parents are walking around without masks on.

Now, I’m past trying to convince people that the 50+ peer reviewed studies that say widespread mask use works to reduce transmission. If that’s not enough for you, nothing is. But that’s besides the point for this.

Let me be as clear as a I can be: wearing a mask does not in any way violate Christian ethics.

Things that do not qualify as sincerely held religious beliefs:
1. Your opinion about whether or not masks work
2. Your opinion about the governor
3. Your opinion about mandates
4. Your sincerely held political beliefs

What does qualify as a sincerely held religious belief:
That we are to submit to our governing authorities

So what I’m faced with is trying to reconcile how 90% of Christians have convinced themselves that it’s ok to essentially lie to get out of submitting to the authorities God has placed above them.

It reminds me of what Russell Moore said about why young people are leaving the church. It’s not because they don’t like what Christians believe, it’s because they see in practice that Christians don’t actually believe what they say they believe.

[tyndal23]

Ugh.

I Peter 2:13-17

We can debate context but it is worthy of discussion when you see things like this being posted on campus.

Thank you, Sly.

I’ve been struggling with this in regards to my kids at LCA. When the mask mandate came out, LCA sent a letter saying “we have to honor the mandate, but you can request an exemption due to health conditions or sincerely held religious beliefs. Also, we’re going to grant every exemption claimed.”

Fast forward to the start of school and ever since, about 90-95% of all teachers, students, and parents are walking around without masks on.

Now, I’m past trying to convince people that the 50+ peer reviewed studies that say widespread mask use works to reduce transmission. If that’s not enough for you, nothing is. But that’s besides the point for this.

Let me be as clear as a I can be: wearing a mask does not in any way violate Christian ethics.

Things that do not qualify as sincerely held religious beliefs:
1. Your opinion about whether or not masks work
2. Your opinion about the governor
3. Your opinion about mandates
4. Your sincerely held political beliefs

What does qualify as a sincerely held religious belief:
That we are to submit to our governing authorities

So what I’m faced with is trying to reconcile how 90% of Christians have convinced themselves that it’s ok to essentially lie to get out of submitting to the authorities God has placed above them.

It reminds me of what Russell Moore said about why young people are leaving the church. It’s not because they don’t like what Christians believe, it’s because they see in practice that Christians don’t actually believe what they say they believe.

Good thing none of founding fathers were Christians then...

[cruzan_flame13]

It's fine if you want to trust the government officials based on their data if you want. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar and into God what is God. See I could use a verse too for possible emotional purposes. I am not going to blindly accept something because I am told to do so when I know (through my own separate research that's not google and wikipedia) this is not even a vaccine but a experiment. No vaccines can go through its process in months when it took decades for previous vaccines to even have test trials (unless they already had one available for this moment[look into the world economic forum 2010 or 2012 for more details of a need of a pandemic event). To not beat a horse, I'll just say that government is not God. They do not give me life but they sure can take it if the Lord permits. I am no going to ignore what is occurring globally because the government is flip flipping and the media is doing damage contril. I know it may not seem like anything is occurring here in our backyard, but sadly the major conflicts will occur here and the blame will be scapegoated. Some of my friends made the same statements who live in Australia and Europe, but now things have shifted and the citizens are waking up to the coincidental increase of deaths and side effects of their neighbors, coworkers and others who took their shots. Furthermore the first century church disobeyed Nero government (at the time of Peter writing the verse Sly used) who mandated to find Christians and turn them in. You have a choice(which is more likely made up), but I would suggest folks to do their own research and not just take the word from google and charts from government administrations who received funds from Pharmaceutical corporations like J&J, Pfizer and other groups/foundations. People being sick is a business; to each their own I suppose.

[cruzan_flame13]

Ugh.

I Peter 2:13-17

We can debate context but it is worthy of discussion when you see things like this being posted on campus.

Thank you, Sly.

I’ve been struggling with this in regards to my kids at LCA. When the mask mandate came out, LCA sent a letter saying “we have to honor the mandate, but you can request an exemption due to health conditions or sincerely held religious beliefs. Also, we’re going to grant every exemption claimed.”

Fast forward to the start of school and ever since, about 90-95% of all teachers, students, and parents are walking around without masks on.

Now, I’m past trying to convince people that the 50+ peer reviewed studies that say widespread mask use works to reduce transmission. If that’s not enough for you, nothing is. But that’s besides the point for this.

Let me be as clear as a I can be: wearing a mask does not in any way violate Christian ethics.

Things that do not qualify as sincerely held religious beliefs:
1. Your opinion about whether or not masks work
2. Your opinion about the governor
3. Your opinion about mandates
4. Your sincerely held political beliefs

What does qualify as a sincerely held religious belief:
That we are to submit to our governing authorities

So what I’m faced with is trying to reconcile how 90% of Christians have convinced themselves that it’s ok to essentially lie to get out of submitting to the authorities God has placed above them.

It reminds me of what Russell Moore said about why young people are leaving the church. It’s not because they don’t like what Christians believe, it’s because they see in practice that Christians don’t actually believe what they say they believe.

Good thing none of founding fathers were Christians then...

That's a slippery slope; not going to go into details about that here .

[ballcoach15]

Not going to church because of the actions of others, is a very poor excuse, not to go to church. When one reaches the Pearly Gates, they're going to have to answer for themselves, not others.

[stokesjokes]

Sure, but it should be our goal to win people to Christ, not push them away.

It’s the old Brennan Manning quote shamelessly pulled from a DC Talk song : “the greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus by their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”

[lynchburgwildcats]

The whole sheeple and vaccine is killing per are hilariously stupid when you think logically about it.

But of course 99.99% of conspiracy theories exist because people who believe in them severely lag behind in critical thinking skills. So in reality they are the sheeple because they are too stupid to see thru the BS.

Why would big pharma want to prematurely kill off the sheeple who will take whatever they tell them to? These sheeple are their golden ticket to decades of profits! If there is anything we’ve learned from the opioid crisis, money is all they care about.

Why would they want to kill off anyone prematurely? Everyone knows that the amount of money big pharma makes off olds is astronomically large given how much significantly higher their healthcare costs are relative to the generally younger populations. For one example, the average Viagra user (Viagra is a Pfizer product) is 53 and 56% of their users are 50+. Their whole goal is to get you to the point where you’re old enough to have to have a million different pills you’re taking on a regular basis.

Population control you say? Yeah I’m sure all the big pharma CEOs are racing at the opportunity to kill off millions of people to decrease their user base for the next several decades. Nothing quite like destroying your own business model by intentionally killing millions!

But let’s say it’s population control not for killing, but for submission. What kind of people do you think leadership in government and corporate America would want if that was their goal? The sheeple, not the “but muh freedum!”folks. The sheeple would be the ones that would fall in line, not the others. They would rather have more of the sheeple and less of the others.

Either way, people dying from either taking the vaccine or not taking the vaccine is counterproductive to the goals.

[paradox]

The whole sheeple and vaccine is killing per are hilariously stupid when you think logically about it.

But of course 99.99% of conspiracy theories exist because people who believe in them severely lag behind in critical thinking skills. So in reality they are the sheeple because they are too stupid to see thru the BS.

I guess that would have to apply to all the esoteric Russian conspiracies peddled by all the major players in the Dem Party.

[rogers3]

I think there's a few people on here who have set up some idols called freedom and personal liberty in their prayer closet. The fundamentalist evangelical community here that I grew up in is quite familiar with idol worship. While we're at it let's add our politics into that as well. Isn't ironic that it seems like Christian schools are the ones who want to fight every rule and law and they actually try to use moral grounds? Wow, I can understand why people don't want to be a part of that kind of "movement.". My non-Christian friends in the secular institutions here in town seem so much more reasonable and thoughtful of others than a lot of the commenters here seem to be. What a shame.

By the way, Tyndal -I'd love to hear you defend your assertion that our country was founded primarily by Christian men.

[rogers3]

So either some one is fibbing or the official data is dead wrong...
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/cor ... rg-city-of

Well I know for a fact that somebody who had been on my wife's floor at the hospital died a couple days ago. I assume the USA facts might not have picked up on that data yet. If you just do a quick search for the Sentra coveted dashboard you'll see that the numbers are well higher than that USA fax website. This is the problem with finding some self-confirming evidence and not being willing to seek the truth. It's not hard to find somebody who works at Centra and ask them because most people who work there know what's going on. I think the death tally for just this week alone is three or four.

[paradox]

I think there's a few people on here who have set up some idols called freedom and personal liberty in their prayer closet. The fundamentalist evangelical community here that I grew up in is quite familiar with idol worship. While we're at it let's add our politics into that as well. Isn't ironic that it seems like Christian schools are the ones who want to fight every rule and law and they actually try to use moral grounds? Wow, I can understand why people don't want to be a part of that kind of "movement.". My non-Christian friends in the secular institutions here in town seem so much more reasonable and thoughtful of others than a lot of the commenters here seem to be. What a shame.

By the way, Tyndal -I'd love to hear you defend your assertion that our country was founded primarily by Christian men.

So, it's more reasonable to not favor democratic freedom? And people who think that freedom is a good idea are somehow hyper-religious fanatics who worship actual idols? They probably drink blood and get sexually aroused by sacred Morman undergarments as well. I mean, what freedom loving American doesn't?

Thanks for that.

[paradox]

Sure, but it should be our goal to win people to Christ, not push them away.

It’s the old Brennan Manning quote shamelessly pulled from a DC Talk song : “the greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus by their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”

Brennan Manning was inspiring. I referenced him in a recent eulogy. Unfortunately, the denial by lifestyle quote was a fairly dramatic personal struggle for him. Hypocrisy is a tragic part of the human condition that we are all too familiar with. His final book seemed to be an attempt at honesty and confession. Yet, the self-destructive vices remained. Now that he's gone....hoping for the best. His life seemed to mirror a modern living version of Francis Thompson.

[Just John]

Because some seem to want to offer anecdotal incidents to validate their beliefs, I just want to say I had a vaccine a few months ago and am still alive.

[Purple Haize]

About those Mask Studies

https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-w ... e-evidence

And here’s the big one.
https://scitechdaily.com/most-common-co ... -droplets/

Now take that data and apply it to real world experience. How many people change out their masks at regular intervals? How many even wear them properly?

As for the vaccine take it if you want. Don’t if you don’t. The largest scientific study now says you’re better protected from Delta if you’ve already had Rona than if you just had the vaccine. It does say that having had Rona AND getting vaxxed is the best defense. But maybe shaming those who hold off getting vaxxed isn’t the best approach
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/27/ ... izer-shot/

[jbock13]

Because some seem to want to offer anecdotal incidents to validate their beliefs, I just want to say I had a vaccine a few months ago and am still alive.

Me too. I'm also getting a much better 5G signal these days!

[stokesjokes]

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/d ... y-they-do/

Oh, we’re posting the studies now?
Some light reading for you, PH. This includes both lab studies and RCTs that apparently your first article guy couldn’t find.

[rogers3]

I think there's a few people on here who have set up some idols called freedom and personal liberty in their prayer closet. The fundamentalist evangelical community here that I grew up in is quite familiar with idol worship. While we're at it let's add our politics into that as well. Isn't ironic that it seems like Christian schools are the ones who want to fight every rule and law and they actually try to use moral grounds? Wow, I can understand why people don't want to be a part of that kind of "movement.". My non-Christian friends in the secular institutions here in town seem so much more reasonable and thoughtful of others than a lot of the commenters here seem to be. What a shame.

By the way, Tyndal -I'd love to hear you defend your assertion that our country was founded primarily by Christian men.

So, it's more reasonable to not favor democratic freedom? And people who think that freedom is a good idea are somehow hyper-religious fanatics who worship actual idols? They probably drink blood and get sexually aroused by sacred Morman undergarments as well. I mean, what freedom loving American doesn't?

Thanks for that.

And how do these relate? Is it your assertion that only democratic freedom is Christian? Was that what was going on during Jesus' time? The point I raise is that some favor democratic freedom over a Christ-like attitude. Sorry to make you squirm

[Purple Haize]

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/d ... y-they-do/

Oh, we’re posting the studies now?
Some light reading for you, PH. This includes both lab studies and RCTs that apparently your first article guy couldn’t find.

I didn’t see the RCT studies just the Peer Review ones. Which is better than most. The pieces I posted talked about the difference.

[stokesjokes]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/

Here you go- this is a systematic review of 19 relevant RCTs

[lynchburgwildcats]

About those Mask Studies

https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-w ... e-evidence

And here’s the big one.
https://scitechdaily.com/most-common-co ... -droplets/

Now take that data and apply it to real world experience. How many people change out their masks at regular intervals? How many even wear them properly?

As for the vaccine take it if you want. Don’t if you don’t. The largest scientific study now says you’re better protected from Delta if you’ve already had Rona than if you just had the vaccine. It does say that having had Rona AND getting vaxxed is the best defense. But maybe shaming those who hold off getting vaxxed isn’t the best approach
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/27/ ... izer-shot/

All I know is I'd rather be vaccinated than get COVID. Not sure how anyone with a brain could argue otherwise.

And if I happen to get a breakthrough case, I like my chances of avoiding the hospital a hell of a lot more than if I wasn't vaccinated.

[tyndal23]

I think there's a few people on here who have set up some idols called freedom and personal liberty in their prayer closet. The fundamentalist evangelical community here that I grew up in is quite familiar with idol worship. While we're at it let's add our politics into that as well. Isn't ironic that it seems like Christian schools are the ones who want to fight every rule and law and they actually try to use moral grounds? Wow, I can understand why people don't want to be a part of that kind of "movement.". My non-Christian friends in the secular institutions here in town seem so much more reasonable and thoughtful of others than a lot of the commenters here seem to be. What a shame.

By the way, Tyndal -I'd love to hear you defend your assertion that our country was founded primarily by Christian men.

So, it's more reasonable to not favor democratic freedom? And people who think that freedom is a good idea are somehow hyper-religious fanatics who worship actual idols? They probably drink blood and get sexually aroused by sacred Morman undergarments as well. I mean, what freedom loving American doesn't?

Thanks for that.

And how do these relate? Is it your assertion that only democratic freedom is Christian? Was that what was going on during Jesus' time? The point I raise is that some favor democratic freedom over a Christ-like attitude. Sorry to make you squirm

So if a Christian slave tried to escape his lawfully appointed owner in the South in 1860 and a Christian aided and abetted the slave to freedom, even though unlawful, is it a sin ? Even if they had the right Christ like attitude while breaking the “law”? If a Chinese Christian tries to refuse a state regulated mandatory abortion, is that a sin ? If you are arguing majority of our Founding Fathers weren’t Christian ( as modern day secularist educators try and convince you of ) I have plenty of books to recommend for you Rogers. DM me if you want. As for LU, when mandated by Gov to follow protocols last year, they did and will again. As for Mandatory Vax, volunteer to inject it in me personally, and see if I respond Old Testament or New Covenant. ( kidding sort of ).