- December 1st, 2019, 3:04 pm
#589319
Has tobacco use been taken off the prohibited list on the Liberty Way?
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Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 3:04 pm Has tobacco use been taken off the prohibited list on the Liberty Way?Probably not, but there is a long-standing tradition of people who would never smoke otherwise making an exception for celebratory cigars.
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 4:12 pm I don’t think smoking cigars is sinful. Let’s start there.This is pretty much where I'm at. I think the law is silly, and it's plausible the coaches weren't aware of the change in age. In a perfect world, I actually love the idea of finding a legal, but distinctly special celebration for the coaches to have with the players. I think being able to encourage and contain some celebration could prevent 2007-like incidents.
In Virginia, you have to be 21 to possess or use tobacco. So technically our underclassmen are smoking just as illegally as if they were to celebrate with a beer. So I have an issue with that.
I also have an issue with the team promoting themselves breaking the Liberty Way. If that’s changed and normal students can smoke cigars then ok. Still not the image I prefer Liberty projecting but as long as its legal and anyone of legal age can do it, I’m good with it.
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 5:22 pm It wasn’t just coaches. Jerry, Becki, and Ian were in there too. That’s what I don’t get.It is pretty common to run into LU elites at Pap's Cigars downtown. After all, one of the owners was a key developer of LU Online. Why is anyone surprised at any of the antics that get publicized, anyway?
I don’t want to be the fun police, but I also know an unbelieving world is watching and judging everything we do. For the sake of our mission, we can’t be giving them even more ammunition to call us hypocrites.
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 5:56 pm So is it just another example of something where the rules are ignored when it’s beneficial but the rule is on the book to keep up appearances?
If it’s not a rule, this is a nonstarter. But I don’t have access to the current Liberty Way to know if it is.
Class of 20Something wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 6:03 pm"Distribution of alcoholic beverages." It was no secret at LU that I worked as a bartender after I turned 21 and sold beer at City Stadium...Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 5:56 pm So is it just another example of something where the rules are ignored when it’s beneficial but the rule is on the book to keep up appearances?
If it’s not a rule, this is a nonstarter. But I don’t have access to the current Liberty Way to know if it is.
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 5:22 pm It wasn’t just coaches. Jerry, Becki, and Ian were in there too. That’s what I don’t get.Can they make an amendment for allowing celebratory cigar use?? Tobacco use is relatively common amongst the students at LU. I even felt comfortable enough to post a picture with a cigar while at LU and didn't really think twice about getting in trouble for it. I'd personally put tobacco in a completely separate category than alochol. Considering what other students do in violation of the Liberty Way at LU, I'd say that occasional celebratory cigar use shouldn't be an issue.
I don’t want to be the fun police, but I also know an unbelieving world is watching and judging everything we do. For the sake of our mission, we can’t be giving them even more ammunition to call us hypocrites.
thepostman wrote: ↑December 1st, 2019, 9:58 pm There has always been low key resentment with how there is a double standard when it comes to athletes and the liberty way. This certainly won't help that.As a former athlete at LU, albeit a long time ago, I have always heard this . (Heard the same crapola in HS). Bottom line, 99% of it is jealously. Mostly by students who are obese, snowflake, athletic wannabees, who couldn't hit a slow-pitch softball, or a baseball off a tee, if given a week to do so. Or the guys who throw a baseball like obama or who couldn't run a lap around a Cherrio. .
I was pretty shocked it was happening in the locker room. Seems odd but I'm not losing sleep over it or anything.
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
ATrain wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2019, 10:38 am Thank you.They will try but it will quietly go away. Can’t have suspended football players for the Bowl game they may or may not get invited to
Next question, what are the chances some overly zealous RA tries to give them all reps?