Re: The ongoing Jerry Falwell Jr thread
Posted: September 11th, 2019, 9:54 pm
Wait, Jr. is drinking publicly in Lynchburg? I hadn’t heard that before.
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adam42381 wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:54 pm Wait, Jr. is drinking publicly in Lynchburg? I hadn’t heard that before.I can’t remember the thread, but when the whole alcohol for faculty came up a few months ago, this was discussed. There’s even a picture with Jerry holding a drink while wearing an LU lapel pin. As I said then, I have no problem with him drinking, just think it’s shady how they’ve gone about things.
lynchburgwildcats wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:15 pmI apologize. I thought it was generally well known Ronald Reagan had a son named "Michael Reagan". Especially when "Reagan had a granddaughter" was also added to the comment.Just John wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 11:38 amWho that is refers to the last person mentioned in your post. Learn English, genius.lynchburgwildcats wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 7:23 amMy daughters name is Ashley Reagan. Hope that helps with the “yikes” factor.
I have no idea who that is.
flameshaw wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:43 pmFirst of all I find your other points agreeable, though most would find the behaviors that have been displayed in the last few days aren't acceptable at Liberty...at least the one you care for. As to the point above, it is pretty naive at best. Jerry hasn't issued claims of libel, which would be more indicative of BS; on the contrary, he wants to find out who leaked this stuff. Lies typically aren't referred to as "leaked info." Jerry also has made it clear that the board has no governance, which is a real problem when it comes to accreditation. I talked with a faculty member who was worried because someone had emailed a link to the politico article to his liberty.edu address. Unlike Jerry, he understands that an email from an institution's site such as liberty.edu belongs to the school, not the person (and there is legal precedent for that). He also said that faculty he has interacted with are leery about mentioning anything while on campus.
1. The author of this piece rally doesn't use any names. If someone provides information, but won't allow their name to be used, it is most likely .
ElmersTwin wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:42 pmAs for the first question, the FBI does not have to take the "case", and I would quite frankly be surprised if they did. It sounds more like a local or state matter to me if even that. I am not completely clear on how LU can claim ownership of emails sent to other parties even if it was on LU server, but I'm sure the high paid NY lawyers know more about that than me. The NDA that employees signed is completely civil, though...so there would be no criminal investigation in that regard. I really think maybe the whole matter would tend to be more civil in nature than anything.Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:04 pm Also - does the FBI have to take on the case? Is it even under the FBI jurisdiction? Who is paying for the meanest lawyer in New York - Jerry or the school?To answer your last question, probably my cost of living increase.
rogers3 wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 11:22 pmWait! If someone sent the link to the article to a liberty. Edu account, then it has to be on LU’s server. Which means that article is now LU property! Amifight?! Problem solvedflameshaw wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:43 pmFirst of all I find your other points agreeable, though most would find the behaviors that have been displayed in the last few days aren't acceptable at Liberty...at least the one you care for. As to the point above, it is pretty naive at best. Jerry hasn't issued claims of libel, which would be more indicative of BS; on the contrary, he wants to find out who leaked this stuff. Lies typically aren't referred to as "leaked info." Jerry also has made it clear that the board has no governance, which is a real problem when it comes to accreditation. I talked with a faculty member who was worried because someone had emailed a link to the politico article to his liberty.edu address. Unlike Jerry, he understands that an email from an institution's site such as liberty.edu belongs to the school, not the person (and there is legal precedent for that). He also said that faculty he has interacted with are leery about mentioning anything while on campus.
1. The author of this piece rally doesn't use any names. If someone provides information, but won't allow their name to be used, it is most likely .
By the way, I can't mention his name, so take it all as
Just John wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 10:49 pmThe names of Presidents' children is not something considered common knowledge for the vast majority of people. Especially for Presidents whose tenure came prior to one's birth.lynchburgwildcats wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:15 pmI apologize. I thought it was generally well known Ronald Reagan had a son named "Michael Reagan". Especially when "Reagan had a granddaughter" was also added to the comment.Just John wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 11:38 amWho that is refers to the last person mentioned in your post. Learn English, genius.
My daughters name is Ashley Reagan. Hope that helps with the “yikes” factor.
It doesn't even take a genius to know that. I'll not make that mistake with you again.
(What a weird thing to get all hyped up about. Too much coffee dude???).
Purple Haize wrote: ↑September 12th, 2019, 6:06 amPoint is, the author of an email from an institutional domain does not own their email. Jerry is an employee, so if a board member were to gain access to his email, there is little recourse...unless his board has no governance. If one wants to read the SACS manual regarding this, it is easy to find. Working at another college has allowed me time to dive into the subject. I think of the FBI thing akin to a shoplifter whose house gets broken into and then calls the police. I'm certainly not an ultimate authority, but at some point, executive overreach will get noticed by an accreditation body. My guess is Jerry thinks he can sue his way out of anything.
Wait! If someone sent the link to the article to a liberty. Edu account, then it has to be on LU’s server. Which means that article is now LU property! Amifight?! Problem solved
No. This is more about a Loyalty Test than anything
flameshaw wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 9:43 pm I wrote a long reply to this last night and for some reason, it didn't show up. It was late, so I could have done something wrong.1. As has already been mentioned, journalists (see Watergate) and law enforcement use them all the time. I'll grant that with law enforcement, they do eventually have to testify, but that's never after the first time they tell the story or before more research is done. Most major companies, my employer included, offer their employees the ability to discuss internal ethical concerns with a third party and remain anonymous throughout the investigation (including after a final decision is made). I think it's safe to say, that isn't an option for LU staff. And if the leaks aren't true, what emails would have been stolen, requiring the FBI's investigation? Raising the flag in that one seems, at best, premature.
I am going to try and make this real short.
1. The author of this piece rally doesn't use any names. If someone provides information, but won't allow their name to be used, it is most likely .
2. I think Jr's ego needs to be reeled in substantially. Don't think his dad would be real happy regarding the current situation.
3. We are rapidly becoming Wake Forest, TCU, Baylor, etc. Christian in name only. I love LU and this breaks my heart.
4. Jr. has done an excellent job with the endowment and his skill set is certainly more in the business side of the University.
5. I have an adult beverage almost every day, sometimes multiples. I don't see anything biblically wrong with it. However, I am very disappointed that Jr. consumes alcohol in local public restaurants. As a Chancellor of a Christian university, I do think it shows very bad judgement at a minimum.
Again, I love LU. I hope my kids and grand kids go there some day. I don't think Jr's reaction to this situation is being publicly well received and regret that. I think it was a mistake. I would like to see Jr. get through this and reel in some of the perceived/real ego stuff. We will see. It is not my dads LU, but it is a fine line to walk. Prayers.
VAGolf wrote: ↑September 12th, 2019, 11:07 am And here we go again...Beat me to it.
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-Ronald Sones, then the dean of the engineering school, was “a bag of hot air” who “couldn’t spell the word ‘profit,’” Falwell wrote in 2011. Sones is no longer the dean and could not be reached for comment.Ahh, but could Jr spell "prophet"?
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑September 12th, 2019, 11:47 am The students are planning a protest after convo. We'll see how quickly that gets shut down.Looks like about an hour. Will be interesting.