A Sea Of Red

I'll just leave this quote from organizer Shane Claiborne right here:

Religion News Service wrote:Although the event is being held near Liberty University, Claiborne said: “We’re not there to vilify Jerry Falwell (Jr.), we’re there to lift up Jesus — and that itself is the critique of toxic evangelicalism.” Still, Claiborne acknowledged the impetus for the event is partly rooted in criticism of Liberty — including by Liberty students and alumni frustrated by the perception that the school inherently supports the president, its commencement speaker last May.

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I'm not quite sure which of the red letters details Jesus explaining that name-calling was the best way to garner unity of believers.

The name calling being...?

I hope nobody shows up for this circus. For President, we had 2 choices, Trump or Hillary Clinton. Everyone should commend Jerry Jr. For getting on the Trump Train. Hillary is anti Christian, and anti everything but gay rights, abortions, illegal immigrants and terrorists.

As for this so called revival, I have my doubts as to whether the organizers are even Christians. Sounds as if they may just be Trump haters.

alabama24 wrote:The name calling being...?

I apologize for assuming others would not consider toxic as complimentary.

Gotcha. I thought you meant name calling directed at some person.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/r ... 85eb3.html

More info from the event.

Sly Fox wrote:

I'll just leave this quote from organizer Shane Claiborne right here:

Religion News Service wrote:Although the event is being held near Liberty University, Claiborne said: “We’re not there to vilify Jerry Falwell (Jr.), we’re there to lift up Jesus — and that itself is the critique of toxic evangelicalism.” Still, Claiborne acknowledged the impetus for the event is partly rooted in criticism of Liberty — including by Liberty students and alumni frustrated by the perception that the school inherently supports the president, its commencement speaker last May.

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I'm not quite sure which of the red letters details Jesus explaining that name-calling was the best way to garner unity of believers.

Not that this is something I like to see but Jerry Jr and the LUPD banned him from going to even TRBC. Neither behavior is a good look.

It would of been nice for someone to stand up and be the bigger person. Instead it just drives a larger divide and does nothing to advance the gospel.

Does Jr have much say over TRBC? I thought that was Jonathon’s domain

Those Red Letter people are liberals, not Christians. They are not here to advance the gospel, they are here to stir up trouble,

ballcoach15 wrote:Those Red Letter people are liberals, not Christians. They are not here to advance the gospel, they are here to stir up trouble,

Your first sentence is truly ignorant. Your second sentence is spot on

ballcoach15 wrote:Those Red Letter people are liberals, not Christians. They are not here to advance the gospel, they are here to stir up trouble,

Come on man that first part is completely uncalled for.

I don't disagree with the 2nd part but let's not pretend Jerry Jr and others conservative Christians don't do the same thing. It is not at all how we should be acting as Christians but LU had a chance to take the high road and screwed up and since I'm associated with LU I an naturally more critical of them.

Plenty to be critical of in the official response by Liberty. This forum, being heavily populated by so many zealots is not a good place to debate it.

rogers3 wrote:Plenty to be critical of in the official response by Liberty. This forum, being heavily populated by so many zealots is not a good place to debate it.

That’s sorta the crux of the issue. As controversial as Doc was he still could have conversations with people. Nowadays neither side wants to have a conversation. They want to score points and make statements

And that is what I admired so much about Doc and is what made him special.

I didn't always agree with him but he didn't shy away from allowing things like this event happen.

rogers3 wrote:Plenty to be critical of in the official response by Liberty. This forum, being heavily populated by so many zealots is not a good place to debate it.

Seriously? I don’t see that many zealots on here.

Trolls. Not zealots

jbock13 wrote:

rogers3 wrote:Plenty to be critical of in the official response by Liberty. This forum, being heavily populated by so many zealots is not a good place to debate it.

Seriously? I don’t see that many zealots on here.

It doesn't take many bad apples to ruin the bunch and there are more than a few lock-step not-free thinkers.

Much to do about nothing IMHO. I wouldn't let them on the campus or church property either, FWIW. Why?

I'll chime in.

So, let's say Jr wanted to do the sit-down. He gets smacked around theologically and they sneak it on film. Maybe Nasser or Jonathan could go in his stead. I think the only thing you CAN do is create a joint list of fundenental agreements and approaches to the problem. This is assuming all parties are genuine and don't want to double cross the meeting. If the LU representative and Shane have a joint presser saying that beyond politics on either side they agree on some things and can work together toward even a single project, both sides can use it to their advantage and to further the Kingdom by showing that faith comes before politics.

Just my $.02. I'm still not convinced all parties had clear motives and I can understand the administrations apprehensiveness to attach our brand to RLC in any way.

Class of 20Something wrote:I'll chime in.

So, let's say Jr wanted to do the sit-down. He gets smacked around theologically and they sneak it on film. Maybe Nasser or Jonathan could go in his stead. I think the only thing you CAN do is create a joint list of fundenental agreements and approaches to the problem. This is assuming all parties are genuine and don't want to double cross the meeting. If the LU representative and Shane have a joint presser saying that beyond politics on either side they agree on some things and can work together toward even a single project, both sides can use it to their advantage and to further the Kingdom by showing that faith comes before politics.

Just my $.02. I'm still not convinced all parties had clear motives and I can understand the administrations apprehensiveness to attach our brand to RLC in any way.

One question- where does "Furthering the Kingdom" really rank as a priority? Maybe not as high as you think. If that is the case, it better explains the objections and dismissive comments towards these folks.

rogers3 wrote:

Class of 20Something wrote:I'll chime in.

So, let's say Jr wanted to do the sit-down. He gets smacked around theologically and they sneak it on film. Maybe Nasser or Jonathan could go in his stead. I think the only thing you CAN do is create a joint list of fundenental agreements and approaches to the problem. This is assuming all parties are genuine and don't want to double cross the meeting. If the LU representative and Shane have a joint presser saying that beyond politics on either side they agree on some things and can work together toward even a single project, both sides can use it to their advantage and to further the Kingdom by showing that faith comes before politics.

Just my $.02. I'm still not convinced all parties had clear motives and I can understand the administrations apprehensiveness to attach our brand to RLC in any way.

One question- where does "Furthering the Kingdom" really rank as a priority? Maybe not as high as you think. If that is the case, it better explains the objections and dismissive comments towards these folks.

Shh we can agree on this. Don't let them see it.

rogers3 wrote:

Class of 20Something wrote:I'll chime in.

So, let's say Jr wanted to do the sit-down. He gets smacked around theologically and they sneak it on film. Maybe Nasser or Jonathan could go in his stead. I think the only thing you CAN do is create a joint list of fundenental agreements and approaches to the problem. This is assuming all parties are genuine and don't want to double cross the meeting. If the LU representative and Shane have a joint presser saying that beyond politics on either side they agree on some things and can work together toward even a single project, both sides can use it to their advantage and to further the Kingdom by showing that faith comes before politics.

Just my $.02. I'm still not convinced all parties had clear motives and I can understand the administrations apprehensiveness to attach our brand to RLC in any way.

One question- where does "Furthering the Kingdom" really rank as a priority? Maybe not as high as you think. If that is the case, it better explains the objections and dismissive comments towards these folks.

You are under the impression that the RLC wanted to ‘further the Kingdom’ with this rally ? It was more a stunt than anything.
I will say there seems to be cross purposes within the Organization. The Keynote addresses by Claiborne and Campolo were VERY different. Also, Campolo was on Campus property delivering a box of prayers to Jerry Jr (although they may have gone to Jonathon instead) yet he was not arrested.
There is more here than dueling Press releases