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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:murder with malice let's put it that way. The taking of another human life with malice aforethought.
As opposed to Murder with love :dontgetit
By ATrain
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Murder = the taking of another life without proper justification.
Proper justification = self-defense/defense of another's life, defense of country as ordered by authorities if you're in the military, an executioner carrying out justice following conviction and sentencing of one who was given due process and tried by a jury of his peers.
By ATrain
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adam42381 wrote:The word most is concerning, no?
Other than Bathsheba's husband Uriah, who else did David murder?
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By BJWilliams
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Purple Haize wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:murder with malice let's put it that way. The taking of another human life with malice aforethought.
As opposed to Murder with love :dontgetit
I realize you are attempting to be funny here PH, but its a definition I got from my mom when she did some debate coaching (well more like prep) when I was in middle school. It is possible to kill someone, but not to murder them.
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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:murder with malice let's put it that way. The taking of another human life with malice aforethought.
As opposed to Murder with love :dontgetit
I realize you are attempting to be funny here PH, but its a definition I got from my mom when she did some debate coaching (well more like prep) when I was in middle school. It is possible to kill someone, but not to murder them.
Yes. But you said MURDER with malice. Not kill with malice. And if that is a definition than pretty much all combat veterans are murderers because I'm fairly certain they had malice towards the enemy.
Murder is sort of like porn. You can't really define it but you know it when you see it
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By BJWilliams
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Purple Haize wrote:
Yes. But you said MURDER with malice. Not kill with malice. And if that is a definition than pretty much all combat veterans are murderers because I'm fairly certain they had malice towards the enemy.
Murder is sort of like porn. You can't really define it but you know it when you see it
I can agree with this^^
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By flameshaw
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Not sure where I stand on some of this, but God did order the entire annihilation, including women, children and animals of some enemies of the Jewish people. God is never wrong, I am not questioning that. However to pull the WWJD card regarding defending one's self, or giving comfort and refuge to an enemy ie. Islam, ISIS, etc. is an interesting thing to ponder.
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By badger74
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The costs of this policy to LU might be a lot more than many bargained for. I see losing some major public events, HS events, etc. I also think there will a loss of some prospective students. I think many in the general public find the new policy as an error. That includes many who are otherwise supportive or neutral on LU overall.
By LUconn
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Ive only read the first page of this and the last page, but Im really surprised at both, all of the people that were cool with the coments and the reasons that people were not cool with it. It really shows how this school has become, and maybe always has been the world's largest Republican university at its very core. Any evangelical aspect is strictly a side show, like a prayer opening up a republican event. I think it's an American culture creep into the church.
By LUconn
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I guess it depends on what you mean by support. I doubt there's anything they could do do lose my sports fandom towards my alma mater. I don't really give them any money as it is, so no loss there. I would still send my kids there. I just see the school for what it is, not what it's pretending to be.
By Humble_Opinion
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LUconn wrote:I guess it depends on what you mean by support. I doubt there's anything they could do do lose my sports fandom towards my alma mater. I don't really give them any money as it is, so no loss there. I would still send my kids there. I just see the school for what it is, not what it's pretending to be.
JFLJR makes some comments concerning guns and recognizing peoples rights to defend themselves and now the school is all of a sudden less evangelical? Do you live near, much less work at LU? The school still engages in, and actively works to support and cultivate the spiritual life of the campus and those in it. It's easy for a bunch of former alum, who really only follow the parts of the school they care about most (football/basketball/baseball) and whom only visit once in a blue moon to come on here and put the school on blast for losing its way. But if you're not on the ground, you really should just control yourself and your thoughts until you can get a better clue as to what actually happens on campus on a daily basis.

They openly support and lead missions trips, they are making great strides and investing lots of dollars to ensure the SOR/SOD remains the core academic and spiritual center of the campus. They still hold weekly convocations where the vast number of speakers are there to invest in the hearts of the students, and not talk about politics. The Christian worldview and biblical integrations are a part of all curriculim used at the school (a fact re-affirmed by the accrediting bodies that review the school). After spending nearly 10 years on campus until recent, as a student and a FT employee I can tell you for sure the school still remains true to its Christian foundation.

Bottom line, for you and anyone else to come on here and disagree with the comments is warranted. But to use them to say the school has lost it's way is absurd. Just go ahead and admit that the ONLY reason you know about the comments is because it was covered in the national media. Had it only been mentioned on LU's splash page, or covered by campus and local media, you probably would have never heard about it and had the chance to use it to deningrate the school.
By ALUmnus
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Uh, you apparently know pretty much nothing about LUConn. And the view he expressed undoubtedly has little to do with these recent comments but rather the continuing narrative and movement of the school. Most alumni see it.
By Humble_Opinion
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ALUmnus wrote:Uh, you apparently know pretty much nothing about LUConn. And the view he expressed undoubtedly has little to do with these recent comments but rather the continuing narrative and movement of the school. Most alumni see it.
You're right. I don't know anything about LUConn, except from what I've read. I know very little about most of the people on here beyond that, and I suspect that is very much a two-way street. The school has always been politically conservative and the leaders, from time to time, have made statements that have been upsetting to the general public and alumni alike. Nothing has changed there. There have been other changes like the loosening of the Liberty Way, some of which I agree with and other parts I don't. I don't see the correlation between any of that and what he just said.

The school's success and prominence have changed, but only for the better by most standards. There are plenty of decisions that I disagree/disagreed with, but I am not going to question the heart of the vast majority of students, deans, faculty and staff. The ones I interacted with on a daily basis in my various roles at the school were all very much dedicated to the ultimate purpose of the school. In my opinion, that has remained unchanged, regardless of the questionable actions and statements of certain members in senior management.
By LUconn
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Humble_Opinion wrote: I suspect that is very much a two-way street. The school has always been politically conservative opinion
I agree with you. I even put forth that thought in my post by saying "is and maybe always has been". Maybe the school always has been R first, and I was the same way. I had my logical opinions which line up with conservatism, no need to double check those with the Word. But then with every passing year, you realize how stupid you were the previous one. When I was a kid I also always dreamed of being a hero and shooting down a bunch of bad guys. Yes that was a deliberate dig, but also true.
Humble_Opinion wrote: There are plenty of decisions that I disagree/disagreed with, but I am not going to question the heart of the vast majority of students, deans, faculty and staff.
Deafening silence. Or, wait no, it was cheering wasn't it? Dissent hasn't ever really gone over well at Liberty though. I know that he's only one man, and people can have differing opinions but Jr really can do no wrong on campus. He doubled down after being called out by outside sources and there was an explosion in the concealed carry class.

I didn't even really come on here to rail against the direction of the school. My main point is that conservatism and Americanism has crept too far into Christianity. This event was an opportunity for me to say that.
By LUDad
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ATrain wrote:Murder = the taking of another life without proper justification.
Proper justification = self-defense/defense of another's life, defense of country as ordered by authorities if you're in the military, an executioner carrying out justice following conviction and sentencing of one who was given due process and tried by a jury of his peers.
Good response ATrain. I would like to clarify my statement. I was refering to the claims of faith one makes before or during an act of mass murder. This does not preclude someone, including the Apostle Paul, coming to faith after the fact.
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By 01LUGrad
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And now the VHSL is considering cutting tires with LU because so many schools are threatening to boycott events held here based on safety concerns.
I wonder how long it will be before the Commonwealth Games follow suit.
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By BJWilliams
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If you read the article, apparently its a few schools in Northern VA (and boycotting the state debate tournament) and its about moving some state championships, including the aforementioned debate meet. I don't see anything about severing ties completely
By ATrain
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http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/v ... dbf4b.html
In 2014, Liberty Christian Academy, also an arm of Thomas Road Baptist Church, sued for admittance into the VHSL. This past spring, the league settled that lawsuit and LCA was allowed to become the first-ever public school allowed to join the organization.
The copy editor at the N&A website...sheesh.

Anyway, BJ, if they moved the state championships and debate tourneys away, what ties would LU have left with the organization?
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By BJWilliams
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Fair point...although somehow or another I would not be surprised if they tried to tie LCA to it and affect their hosting of conference and district events and what not
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By thepostman
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I have no idea how the districts are set up but since the schools upset are in northern Virginia I highly doubt it would have much of an effect on those kinds of things beej.
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