[SuperJon]

Just saw that. I'm on my phone and the PDF isn't loading. Will take a look in the morning.

[Yacht Rock]

The first PDF takes forever to load. The last one is the most telling though. Like I said, why would our family doubt that?

[thepostman]

Wow. That does look pretty bad. I was starting to side with JFjr on this one until I saw that. Shame on LCA, they knew better.

[JLFJR]

YR, I've told you what the terms of the LU scholarship were. If somebody at one of these four schools did a poor job of explaining how it worked or explaining how it would work if it were not cancelled in the future, that didn't come from LU or even LCA leadership, I'm sure. All the terms were publicized. And I am told that all parents signed a contract with LCA each year saying they understood the scholarship could be changed, suspended or eliminated at any time or something to that effect. That was one of the 2012 changes required by LU to avoid confusion like this. I think you even implied in one of your posts or e mails that you were aware that the scholarship was subject to change. I hope all this helps but I'm going to bed!

[Purple Haize]

Good salesmen always try to accentuate the positive and down play the negative. I would be surprised if that was proactively brought up. If it was I'm sure it was minimalised because it had never been done before.

I will say it would be nice if the scholarships for missionary kids would be addressed. I'm not sure of the particulars but if they were done away with that would be sad. I would think a school flush with as much cash as LU could work it out.

[Yacht Rock]

First of all I assumed the "superintendent" and head of admissions we spoke to during enrollment in LCA were considered leadership.

As far as the disclaimer, it certainly wasn't in use in any of the material we processesed as part of our interest and its inclusion in the contract was explained as a typical disclaimer that Liberty would only take advantage of in financial exigency. Wait, I've heard that before.

...if the disclaimer is still included, it is not so that benefits already earned can be revoked. We have never done that and never would do that absent financial exigencies.

The reality is, as a parent, I was there when LCA leadership explained how it worked. You weren't there and are making assumptions.

The irony is that even last week I spoke to LCA leadership and they were certain that LU would continue to allow accrual for students already enrolled but just not accrue for students who enroll after Sept 1st. Obviously they were wrong and must not have gotten your memo.

My point is, don't try to play this off as parental misunderstanding. Every parent I have spoken with at LCA did not expect this or was told to anticipate this at any moment. Obviously, as PH says, they were overselling the scholarship and minimizing any chance of it being cancelled. We trusted their word along with a lot of other parents and we wound up On the losing end.

[thepostman]

Good salesmen always try to accentuate the positive and down play the negative. I would be surprised if that was proactively brought up. If it was I'm sure it was minimalised because it had never been done before.

I will say it would be nice if the scholarships for missionary kids would be addressed. I'm not sure of the particulars but if they were done away with that would be sad. I would think a school flush with as much cash as LU could work it out.

My wife use to rant about the lack of missionary scholarships when we were in school she never understood why pastor kids got them but missionary kids did not. If course she did fairly well in school so was able to take advantage of some other scholarships that helped a great deal but as a missionary kid she couldn't quite understand that one.

It was my understanding that they brought missionary scholarships back after we graduated in 2008 but I'm not certain about that.

[adam42381]

Check out page 50 of this recent presentation used within the last few weeks. No disclaimer or mention of it ending after any given year.

http://www.lcabulldogs.com/media/9910/A ... tation.pdf

This page which was active as of last week stated
"A FULL Tuition Liberty University scholarship is given to every LCA student who attends from grades 3 - 12."

http://www.lcabulldogs.com/index.cfm?pid=19609

When we began enrolling our children into LCA in early 2013, this is the document we were provided.

http://www.lcabulldogs.com/media/9910/s ... arship.pdf

I would say this is misleading, at best. Sure, you should have read the fine print, but it's not a good look for LCA or LU.

[Purple Haize]

Good salesmen always try to accentuate the positive and down play the negative. I would be surprised if that was proactively brought up. If it was I'm sure it was minimalised because it had never been done before.

I will say it would be nice if the scholarships for missionary kids would be addressed. I'm not sure of the particulars but if they were done away with that would be sad. I would think a school flush with as much cash as LU could work it out.

My wife use to rant about the lack of missionary scholarships when we were in school she never understood why pastor kids got them but missionary kids did not. If course she did fairly well in school so was able to take advantage of some other scholarships that helped a great deal but as a missionary kid she couldn't quite understand that one.

It was my understanding that they brought missionary scholarships back after we graduated in 2008 but I'm not certain about that.

I hope so. Like I said I don't have any dog in the fight but to me that is sort of a core thing for a place like LU

[thepostman]

So they do offer full scholarships now to missionary kids which is totally the right move but too bad for people like my wife. Maybe that's the ticket for YR, become a missionary!!!

[olldflame]

So they do offer full scholarships now to missionary kids which is totally the right move but too bad for people like my wife. Maybe that's the ticket for YR, become a missionary!!!

Or get a job at LU.

[Yacht Rock]

I woke up this morning to this. I'm glad I'm not the only parent that feels they were greatly misled.

https://www.change.org/p/jerry-falwell- ... ip-program

[Yacht Rock]

So they do offer full scholarships now to missionary kids which is totally the right move but too bad for people like my wife. Maybe that's the ticket for YR, become a missionary!!!

Or get a job at LU.

My wife has thought about it. I wouldn't be able to do it. I don't think LU can afford my particular set of skills.

[Yacht Rock]

So they do offer full scholarships now to missionary kids which is totally the right move but too bad for people like my wife. Maybe that's the ticket for YR, become a missionary!!!

We've actually thought about that. Maybe someday.

[Humble_Opinion]

So the links posted by YR that provided the ads and statements made by LCA don't work now for me... I receive an 'Error 404' telling me that they were deleted or are no longer available.

[Yacht Rock]

LOL

That's not surprising.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

[Purple Haize]

But here is the thing, in business terms, it doesn't really matter. How many of these upset parents will still send their kids to LU? And the ones who don't won't really be statistically significant. There will be little, if any, fall out in enrollment at LU because of this decision

[olldflame]

I fully understand the reasoning behind LU reevaluating the way these funds have been allocated. The way things have been, it would appear that along with the many worthy and needy recipients, at a minimum hundreds of thousands of dollars annually may have been going to students who do not really need or deserve them simply because they attended certain schools, while other local students who may in fact be more deserving were not eligible.

However......... since this has been in the works for a few years, it looks to me like someone dropped the ball bigtime regarding the ongoing advertising of LU scholarships for students at these specific schools without a clear disclosure of plans to discontinue them. Could end up being a very costly mistake. On first glance, it looks to me like something should be done about this.

[Yacht Rock]

I fully understand the reasoning behind LU reevaluating the way these funds have been allocated. The way things have been, it would appear that along with the many worthy and needy recipients, at a minimum hundreds of thousands of dollars annually may have been going to students who do not really need or deserve them simply because they attended certain schools, while other local students who may in fact be more deserving were not eligible.

However......... since this has been in the works for a few years, it looks to me like someone dropped the ball bigtime regarding the ongoing advertising of LU scholarships for students at these specific schools without a clear disclosure of plans to discontinue them. Could end up being a very costly mistake. On first glance, it looks to me like something should be done about this.

Yeah, if it was communicated that they were phasing these out, I would have a totally different opinion of the situation. And I agree, there are a lot of families that can afford both. Unfortunately, ours is not one of them.

[thepostman]

Yeah. I don't have any issue with them spreading the funds around. Having more performance based scholarships available as has been talked about to encourage students even more to preform well is the first to come to mind.

It just sucks that it was presented the way it was by LCA. it is just a bad look.

[olldflame]

In addition to the LCA students who have been receiving these scholarships even though they have the means to attend Liberty if they choose w/o these funds, let´s face it, not every kid who attends a christian HS like LCA really belongs at Liberty. No doubt there are many there right now who would rather be elsewhere but are going to LU only because it is free to them.

[Sly Fox]

This is a really bad look for LCA. No getting around it. I'm not impacted directly like Yacht Rock but from my distant view, I don't place blame on LU in this case. I see this as LCA dropping the ball.

[Purple Haize]

This is a really bad look for LCA. No getting around it. I'm not impacted directly like Yacht Rock but from my distant view, I don't place blame on LU in this case. I see this as LCA dropping the ball.

But LU holds the purse strings

[ballcoach15]

What is the reason LU is dropping scholarships for LCA grads ?

I not much know much about all this, but I think it will hurt LCA a lot.

[SuperJon]

It just sucks that it was presented the way it was by LCA. it is just a bad look.

This is the core of it all. This was a major fail on LCA's part.