A Sea Of Red

Is this a package deal?

I have a feeling Nasser is behind this...

Not saying this isn't true, but this thread is the only thing I have seen or heard from anyone today.

BuryYourDuke wrote:The person it came from said he was hearing it from JLFJr's mouth during the faculty meeting.

We have names for people like you.

If the Dark Lord of Lynchburg is truly gone, there will be joy in Mudville

The all-faculty meeting is downloadable from Liberty's website for anyone with a login. I watched through some of it. I can confirm that Godwin and Staver are both out. Godwin is retiring at the end of October to live out his life with his family. Staver finished overseeing the School of Law's ABA accreditation process this month, and is returning to Florida to be with his wife, who returned there last year after suffering a serious accident. Both positions will be filled in the interim with existing staff, while LU searches for replacements.

If Nasser really had the rocks to fire Godwin... I like him even more now. He also convinced most of us today that there is absolutely nothing negative between him and Justin, if there were I don't think Nasser would have invited him to do a farewell concert and to help with Christmas convo this year. (I'll post a thread going into more detail about what Nasser said at convo today)

BuryYourDuke wrote:Now, if they can have the decision making skills to hire people qualified for the positions, things will be great. The law school started out so great, but Staver ran it into the ground. It's now the worst in the state. Let's hope we hire someone that is more concerned with teaching law and less concerned with politics, and things get back towards respectability.

As for the provost, I will be happy with a non-cult member. Whoever it is will probably just be a placeholder for Bob McDonnell when he gets out. I kid (I hope).

I had McDonnell slotted for the Law School Dean
Or Andrew Napalitano
Or John Ashcoft
Or Robert Bork
Or Ken Cuccinelli
As for Provost, Mark Driscoll is currently available.
As is Mike Huckabee
As is Ben Carson
As is Rod Paige

Liberty News Service now has articles for both resignations, for those interested in the full details.

I'm going to enter this discussion passively, against my better judgment:

JakeP50 wrote:If Nasser really had the rocks to fire Godwin...

I see no basis for the SVP of Spiritual Development having any authority to fire the university's Provost. If that were the case, I would be calling for Liberty to lose accreditation immediately. Nasser's office should have little to no ability to decide who oversees the university's academics, nor should he already carry enough personal influence with TPTB, after just being hired this summer, to get the university's Provost fired. Make no mistake, I think Liberty will be better off without Godwin, but I would be extremely alarmed if Spiritual Development has been given that much power.

BuryYourDuke wrote:The law school started out so great, but Staver ran it into the ground. It's now the worst in the state.

You do realize that Staver was responsible for getting the law school started in the first place, right? Also, do you have a source for Liberty being "the worst [law school] in the state," or is that a personal opinion? I don't necessarily disagree, I'm just curious whether that's actually a qualified objective statement/ranking.

Jesus loves us! This, I know;
For Jerry has told us so.
Heretics are fin'lly gone;
No more cults, they don't belong.

Yes, Jesus loves us!
Yes, Jesus loves us!
Yes, Jesus loves us!
Jerry has told us so.

SuperJon wrote:Jesus loves us! This, I know;
For Jerry has told us so.
Heretics are fin'lly gone;
No more cults, they don't belong.

Yes, Jesus loves us!
Yes, Jesus loves us!
Yes, Jesus loves us!
Jerry has told us so.

BCXtreme wrote:Liberty News Service now has articles for both resignations, for those interested in the full details.

I'm going to enter this discussion passively, against my better judgment:

JakeP50 wrote:If Nasser really had the rocks to fire Godwin...

I see no basis for the SVP of Spiritual Development having any authority to fire the university's Provost. If that were the case, I would be calling for Liberty to lose accreditation immediately. Nasser's office should have little to no ability to decide who oversees the university's academics, nor should he already carry enough personal influence with TPTB, after just being hired this summer, to get the university's Provost fired. Make no mistake, I think Liberty will be better off without Godwin, but I would be extremely alarmed if Spiritual Development has been given that much power.

BuryYourDuke wrote:The law school started out so great, but Staver ran it into the ground. It's now the worst in the state.

You do realize that Staver was responsible for getting the law school started in the first place, right? Also, do you have a source for Liberty being "the worst [law school] in the state," or is that a personal opinion? I don't necessarily disagree, I'm just curious whether that's actually a qualified objective statement/ranking.

Crazier things have happened

SuperJon wrote:Jesus loves us! This, I know;
For Jerry has told us so.
Heretics are fin'lly gone;
No more cults, they don't belong.

Yes, Jesus loves us!
Yes, Jesus loves us!
Yes, Jesus loves us!
Jerry has told us so.

I dunno, if you read HMO's post in the other thread we might be staring our own

I'm doing cartwheels...the backflips will have to wait though, Rena Lindevaldsen is now the interim dean of the law school. Dear God, please don't let Matt Barber be his replacement.

ATrain wrote:Dear God, please don't let Matt Barber be his replacement.

This was the first thing I thought of.

Bruce Green was an intellectual, it was concerning when they let him go. That's the type of person we need to reach out to.

By the way, I was being facetious about Nasser. Stop taking everything so seriously. Guess I should have given the sarcasm alert.

ALUmnus wrote:By the way, I was being facetious about Nasser. Stop taking everything so seriously. Guess I should have given the sarcasm alert.

Not sure who this is directed at. I was responding to Jake, not to you.

ALUmnus wrote:intellectual […] the type of person we need to reach out to.

Was the Liberty University you attended ever genuinely interested in the "intellectual"? Because the one I attended only talked about that, never actually focused on it.

BuryYourDuke wrote:[quote="BCXtreme]Also, do you have a source for Liberty being "the worst [law school] in the state," or is that a personal opinion? I don't necessarily disagree, I'm just curious whether that's actually a qualified objective statement/ranking.

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Thanks, that helps. Not surprised that it's bad (not just because of Staver), but maybe a little that it's THAT bad.

LU has always been more concerned with quantity than quality.

Purple Haize wrote:LU has always been more concerned with quantity than quality.

Really? I was under the impression that was a fairly recent development (5-7 years).

If its Matt Barber, I will burn my degree, and probably have reason to burn the school down, per Jerry Sr Instructions.

PS. Im all talk, neither of those things are happening.

But what a great day to be a Liberty Alumni.

I see a lot of happy haters today, carry on.

BCXtreme wrote:

ALUmnus wrote:By the way, I was being facetious about Nasser. Stop taking everything so seriously. Guess I should have given the sarcasm alert.

Not sure who this is directed at. I was responding to Jake, not to you.

BC, time to realize not everything is about you. Relax a little bit. I originally brought up Nasser, then Jake responded to it, then you did. It was just a joke, thought I'd put and end to it since apparantly that wasn't obvious.

BCXtreme wrote:

Purple Haize wrote:LU has always been more concerned with quantity than quality.

Really? I was under the impression that was a fairly recent development (5-7 years).

Nope, it was that way 11 years ago when I stepped onto campus as a freshman. The atmosphere did seem to be changing a little bit and was emphasized with the firings in the athletic department by Jerry Sr., but since then...

Hopefully we will put someone in charge of our law school who can bring back the "beginner's luck," we had in starting it up...and will keep the med school focused on quality over quantity as well.

I'm also sure Jake was joking about Nasser as well, playing off of ALUmnus...if it seems far fetched on this board (like the SVP firing the Provost), its probably a joke. Welcome to FlameFans 202.

Of course Nasser didn't have the authority to fire Godwin, but if he has gained the trust of JLFJR he certainly could have played a role in it. The issues with Godwin weren't with his qualifications or even his competence. They were with his shaky associations and the possibly questionable beliefs that may go along with them. If Nasser is the man JLFJR believes should be the school's spiritual leader, his opinions should carry weight where that is concerned.

best day in school history?

BCXtreme wrote:

Purple Haize wrote:LU has always been more concerned with quantity than quality.

Really? I was under the impression that was a fairly recent development (5-7 years).

Nope. ATrain speaks truth but that mentality started sometime in the early 70's and continues today.

BuryYourDuke wrote:Oh boy. Time to defend the cultist that told employees that "they weren't Christians when they stepped into the business side" of LU, and openly explored taking Liberty to "for profit" status. Carry on.

'You can all be replaced. Professors don't really work for a living anyways, and aren't that vital to the University. Not one professor has worked harder than I have'
We should start a Ronny G Quote thread

Purple Haize wrote:

BCXtreme wrote:

Purple Haize wrote:LU has always been more concerned with quantity than quality.

Really? I was under the impression that was a fairly recent development (5-7 years).

Nope. ATrain speaks truth but that mentality started sometime in the early 70's and continues today.

Same mentality as those who announced every week the number of nameless souls who were saved in Sunday services last week and then left to figure the rest out on their own.