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Jerry World/Liberty Land

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 9:08 am
by A.G.
http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Sate ... 3363&path=

LU moving ahead with planning for resort

By Ron Brown
rbrown@newsadvance.com
August 25, 2006

The Rev. Jerry Falwell was in Florida on Wednesday to meet with a developer about building a resort on Candlers Mountain.

Falwell, Liberty University’s chancellor, confirmed the meeting on Friday.

He said talks about the resort are in the very early stages.

“The developer will be coming here in mid-September to spend a day with us. He’s as excited as we are,” Falwell said. “He will sit down with us and our team. The purpose of the meeting is to talk about the development of a significant part of the mountain.”

A series of ideas are being kicked around.

“We’re looking at time shares,” Falwell said. “We are looking at a huge restaurant right on top of the mountain. We want to make Lynchburg a destination point for visitors.”

Falwell declined to name the developer.

“We have the prime ingredients, land and location,” said Jerry Falwell Jr., LU’s vice chancellor. “We are right here on a main road, next to a city and university. If that mountain ends up a first-rate development, it will do nothing but benefit Liberty University’s recruitment efforts, student life and everything else. We have everything to gain from it becoming a first-class resort and recreation area.”

Falwell Jr. said earlier this year that Candlers Mountain would lend itself to the development of an expanded Camp Hydaway Lake, a golf course and ski slope.

Earlier this year, LU purchased about 200 acres of land needed for the development of the mountain.

Since then, the Liberty Mountain Development Plan has been expanded to include a gravity sports park - which would include a mountain coaster (similar to a roller coaster), a snowboarding pipe, an Alpine slide and Zip lines, a ride that uses a harnessed swing seat attached to a pulley to allow individual passengers to ride down the mountain on a cable.

The recreation area would also include a network of trails suitable for running, hiking, mountain biking and horseback riding.

Professional planners with knowledge of gravity sport parks recently came to Lynchburg from Utah to look at the property. According to Falwell Jr., they said the gravity sports park could pay for itself in three to four years.

“The type of facilities we’re talking about already exist all over Europe and out West,” Falwell Jr. said. “This will be the first place in the East that something like this has been done. It’s got to become a draw for Lynchburg. We’re giving people a reason to come to Lynchburg and stay a couple of days.”

Surveyors also have been examining the property to determine the best slopes for the gravity sports park and a possible ski slope, which would use a synthetic surface called snowflex to allow skiing year round.

Originally, Falwell Jr. had considered man-made snow for the slope. The experts said Lynchburg has only 60 days of weather where man-made snow would be effective, thus making it non-cost effective.

Snowflex, invented in England, uses a padded carpet, which is slickened when water is applied.

The discussion of the resort comes at a time when a new 2.3- mile timbering road has been cut along the ridge line of the mountain from Candlers Mountain Road to near Campbell Avenue.

Liberty University owns about 4,800 acres of land, much of it on the south side of U.S. 460 straddling the Lynchburg-Campbell County line.

Falwell said the new road would serve a dual purpose.

It will allow logging trucks access to 160 acres of land for which the school has sold timber rights.

The road also will serve as a place for hiking, mountain-bike riding, horseback riding, running and other types of non-motorized activities.

“When the leaves fall, the views are going to be incredible,” Falwell Jr. said.

“The public will want to come up and see the views. It will be the closest thing Lynchburg will have to the Blue Ridge Parkway.”

He said the school’s main objective is to provide activities that will draw students to the LU campus.

“When you have a school like Liberty, which prohibits alcohol and dancing, you better have some positive activities to keep students busy or else your rules are going to be difficult to enforce,” Falwell Jr. said.

“We are trying to produce alternatives to what is called recreation at most colleges.”

To that end, he said the school must be conscientious in using its land in the most effective way.

“We want to guide the development of this mountain so it is first rate and benefits the university, the church, and the community. We don’t want to build a Heritage USA,” Falwell Jr. said, referring to Jim Bakker’s long-defunct Christian theme park in South Carolina.

“That’s not what we want to do. We want to find the right resort developer to come in and let Liberty benefit from it.”

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 9:09 am
by A.G.
I can see it now--the Virginia version of Pigeon Forge.

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 10:24 am
by El Scorcho
It's comforting to hear they don't want a Heritage USA.

And that's about all I have to say about that.

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 2:01 pm
by thepostman
"When you have a school like Liberty, which prohibits alcohol and dancing, you better have some positive activities to keep students busy or else your rules are going to be difficult to enforce,” Falwell Jr. said.

that is my favorite quote in this whole thing....it makes me laugh.

I can picture it now, the new recruitment ad, "you can't drink or go to dances, but COME RIDE OUR ROLLER COASTER!"

I think if I am a junior/senior in high school that would be enough to get me to come.....

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 2:07 pm
by Brokeback Flamer
El Scorcho wrote:It's comforting to hear they don't want a Heritage USA.

And that's about all I have to say about that.
Ummm, the phrase TIME SHARE was used and WATER PARK was mention earlier

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 4:32 pm
by PAmedic
Surveyors also have been examining the property to determine the best slopes for the gravity sports park and a possible ski slope, which would use a synthetic surface called snowflex to allow skiing year round.

Originally, Falwell Jr. had considered man-made snow for the slope. The experts said Lynchburg has only 60 days of weather where man-made snow would be effective, thus making it non-cost effective.

Snowflex, invented in England, uses a padded carpet, which is slickened when water is applied.
I can only imagine just how horrible this stuff must be.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but it borders on mindboggling. "Skiing" on a carpet. Having trouble imagining them simulating a foot of powder using wet CARPET.

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 5:32 pm
by 4everfsu
Ok who is going to be our Dolly Parton(Pigeon Forge) then?

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 6:16 pm
by A.G.
Mark Lowery could be the celebrity du jour.

Not sure who could fill Dolly's shoes, or other apparel. Well, I have ideas, but this is a family show.

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 7:25 pm
by PeterParker
Not that it matters much, but I am not a fan of this proposed development;

Trails=good, Mountaintop Park (of the "taking a walk in" variety) and tasteful restaurant=good, even a slope or two=not so bad; however, Candlers "Kings Dominion" Mountain=not so much.

However, seems like an awful lot to do in order to lure more students to LU with camp-like activities, instead of just re-examining the few ancilliary points that cause christian kids to choose state schools and other private shools over LU. Providing an abundance of camp-like activities is not going to make up the numbers in qualified students that the academic reputation and reasonable college lifestyle will yield. Especially since many christian students can go to state schools or other privates that are also expanding their student life portfolios to cater to students (albeit not in the Dollywood mold) and the student can be involved in the variety of christian organizations that are there (Intervarsity, Campus Crusade, FCA, Baptist Student Union and other denominational groups), not to mention their local church as they choose.


On a side note, the snowflex stuff is actually an interesting concept (I was skeptical about skiing on a rug too), but after looking it up, it seems kind of like that new synthetic ice skating surface that was invented, which is pretty cool stuff.

Snowflex: http://www.snowflex.com/snowflex.php

Synthetic Ice:
http://www.kwikrink.com/ and

http://www.vikingice.com/default.asp

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 8:21 pm
by jimflamesfan
I agree with Peterparker...trails, resteraunte, even timeshares, and a couple of the carpet slopes would be okay.

There are already golf courses in Lynchburg...the snowcarpet actually looks cool on the website...sort of like a little resort area.

I don't think this would really have much to do with the college...how does this even relate to LU...except some of the students might ski on the carpet?

Posted: August 26th, 2006, 8:25 pm
by SuperJon
The synthetic stuff is just stupid. I'd rather use it for a giant slip n slide.

Give us the restaurant and the other stuff, and expand the lake. Throw some jet ski rentals or something on the lake and there you go. The roller coaster is just going to be a big joke to students, and so is the synthetic stuff. The people who like skiing will drive an hour or two and use the real stuff.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 1:56 am
by qkslvrsrfrboy
its not a real rollercoaster, its a snow rollercoast, which is alot like a watercoaster only on snow, which means its a specific trail with alot of sharp turns and up and down slopes. depending on how good they are they are fun once and then get boring because you can do the same thing on a regular slope. ive been on the snowflex stuff back in california. it rides basically just like snow, only if you fall you dont get as wet and you arent as cold

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 9:58 am
by 4everfsu
Trails, restaurants would be fine in my opinion. I am not sure how much money LU is spending on this, but I would say if they are, forget the slope skiing, coasters, and put that money into the parking lots that the students need.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 1:46 pm
by El Scorcho
A.G. wrote:Mark Lowery could be the celebrity du jour.
Not after what his family just did.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 2:13 pm
by qkslvrsrfrboy
what did mark lowrys family just do? and yeah, liberty should first invest in some sort of multi level parking garage to put by demoss first, or get the shuttle busses going

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 3:02 pm
by A.G.
El Scorcho wrote:Not after what his family just did.
Ok, WHAT exactly did his family just do? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 3:07 pm
by Libertine
Ditto. Google and Wikipedia tell me nothing.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 3:47 pm
by Sly Fox
With a family full of attorneys, one can only guess.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 4:31 pm
by El Scorcho
Taken from the Richmond Times Dispatch article located here.
Two men sentenced in investment scheme

LYNCHBURG -- Two men have been sentenced for running a fraudulent investment scheme that bilked at least nine people out of more than $2 million.

Charles Gilman Lowry, 74, of Lynchburg was sentenced last month in U.S. District Court to two years and nine months in prison on one count each of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

Charles Monroe Grooms, 46, of Madison Heights was sentenced to two years and six months in prison on the same charges plus one count of health-care fraud for lying about his income when applying for Medicaid and food stamps.

Lowry and Grooms were charged in February 2005 with persuading at least nine people from 1999 to 2004 to give them about $3 million for what they said were risk-free opportunities, promising returns of up to 25 percent through their company, High Yield Inc.

Lowry and Grooms played on the investors' Christian faith to gain credibility, prosecutors said.

Lowry defended the investment plans as legitimate opportunities that didn't pan out. Lowry's attorney, Paul Beers, said Lowry himself was defrauded by others involved.

Lowry and Grooms had faced more than a dozen charges and decades in prison. In exchange for the pair's guilty pleas in January, prosecutors dropped most of the charges and agreed to seek a relatively light sentence.

The two must pay back more than $2 million still owed to their investors.
That's just an article about the sentencing. Charles is Mark's father, for those who don't know. Everyone is pretty certain that mama L was involved too, but they couldn't prove it in court.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 5:18 pm
by A.G.
Ouch. Bev was on the faculty at one time, too.

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 7:45 pm
by Sly Fox
I remember Grooms' trouble. Wasn't he related to J.O.?

Posted: August 27th, 2006, 8:34 pm
by Purple Haize
I believe we discussed this in the Hold On To Your Wallets thread

Posted: August 28th, 2006, 12:56 pm
by cws1007
Getting back to the original post...

Why is there a desire to develop the mountain? Its as if LU is turning into a circus with a side show. What happened to providing a quality education?

I see no problem with having the natural backdrop of the mountain for LU. Add a few trails if you want, but who in Lynchburg wants to view a mountain of rides?

Posted: August 28th, 2006, 1:01 pm
by LUconn
It says in the article, it's to give the students something to do. There's obviously a ton more reasons, but I don't see why it would make us a circus side-show. The only negative thing I can see here is if it just isn't popular and decays over the years. I'm assuming whoever is coming up to look at the place to see if the idea is viable will be able to tell us if that would happen.

Posted: August 28th, 2006, 1:23 pm
by bigsmooth
cws, how is LU a circus side show? the educational quality is pretty good right now, and it will continue to improve. there is nothing wrong with development, which you know brings in revenue. the concept of this potential project is a bit weird though.