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By LUconn
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I like this one and so will the students:

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Sate ... 6391&path=
LU land sale could mean new mall


By Ron Brown
rbrown@newsadvance.com
August 17, 2006



Liberty University and Thomas Road Baptist Church are marketing 100 acres of land for a new high-end, open-air shopping mall near the intersection of U.S. 460 and Wards Road in Campbell County.

Jerry Falwell Jr. said the land, adjacent to LU’s East Campus, went on sale last week. The Richmond real estate firm, C.B. Richard Ellis, is handling the sale of the property.

“They are going to make an announcement in the next two or three weeks about the commercial entities that are interested in the properties,” said Falwell, LU’s vice chancellor.

C.B. Richard Ellis is also trying to enlist a shopping center developer for the proposed project.

Falwell said about six to eight major retailers have already expressed interest in locating in the new shopping mall, which will be similar to Short Pump Town Center near Richmond.

“The strongest drawing card this property has is its central location,” Falwell said. “We’re excited about it. It could become part of an endowment for Liberty University and Thomas Road Baptist Church and help pay for all the new facilities that have been built recently.”

The exact format for the sale has yet to be worked out.

The university could get a percentage of the profits of the shopping center in payment for the land. It also could sell the land for a lump sum, allowing the university and church to pay down a substantial portion of their debt.

“The first choice would be for the ministry to retain an ownership interest and for it to be a long term endowment for the university and the church,” Falwell said. “A development of that size could produce several million dollars a year. That would be enough to amortize most, if not all, of our debt.”

Plans call for the shopping mall to be ready for the 2008 Christmas shopping season.

“These retailers should be excited about the fact that they will have 10,000 students next door, who can walk to the mall comfortably,” said the Rev. Jerry Falwell, LU’s chancellor. “I think it enhances the campus. When you can provide your students and your 3,000 faculty and staff a next-door major shopping center, it’s a great convenience to them.”

But first, the property must be rezoned. Part of it is zoned for commercial and part for multi-family housing.

“It will all have to be zoned for business,” Falwell Jr. said.

The proposed shopping center lines up with Campbell County comprehensive plan, a state-mandated blue print for county development.

Mike Davidson, Campbell County’s director of economic development, said, “An extremely good case can be made for the shopping mall plan.”

Davidson and County Administrator R. David Laurrell were instrumental in working out a road extension essential to the project.

A frontage road, which will intersect U.S. 29 at the current stoplight for the Lynchburg Regional Airport will parallel U.S. 29 for a short distance before running eastward.

It will cross existing railroad tracks on a bridge that will be constructed by LU.

The new road will be an extension of Liberty Mountain Drive, which runs in front of a series of new dormitories that have been built by the school in the past several years.

Laurrell said the good news for motorists is that the proposed project will not require any addition traffic lights on U.S. 29.

“There is a concern that it could become another Madison Heights,” he said. “From a public safety perspective the proposed project will greatly enhance the U.S. 29 corridor.”

Falwell Jr. said the new road will also be a plus for the 2,500 students that will live on East Campus in two years. There will also be a new off-ramp on U.S. 460 leading into the shopping mall.

“They will be able to come and go to Wards Road without having to drive across campus,” he said. “It will give the students direct access to U.S. 29.”

The access road will be two lanes at first and will likely be expanded to four lanes as the student body grows. LU plans to have 8,500 students living on East Campus within the next 10 years.

A special tax district could be put in place for the shopping mall to reimburse LU for the roadwork and the bridge, Falwell Jr. said.

Laurrell said the addition of the shopping mall meets one of the county’s primary comprehensive economic goals.

The county has been working to achieve a better balance between its residential, industrial and commercial tax bases.

In the past couple of years, the county has approved new retail complexes at Wards Crossing West near Lynchburg and Dearing Ford Road near Altavista, where a new Wal-Mart has been built.

“I think the solution on the table right now will be best for the public’s interest, the interest of adjacent property owners and Liberty interest,” he said. “It’s going to add a lot of value to the community as a whole.”

The proposed mall is the second major shopping center announced in Central Virginia in the past four months.

Lakeside Centre is a 130-acre development slated to be built at the corner of U.S. 501 and Lakeside Drive, within city limits. Plans show retail space for a bookstore, a grocery store and a home-improvement store.

English Construction Co., along with an out-of-town development company, are asking City Council to rezone the land from residential to business use. Council is scheduled to discuss the rezoning request next month.
By A.G.
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Who is JF kidding. The students won't walk--they're too danged LAZY. They will want a shuttle or one of those people movers you see in the some of the big cities.
By LUconn
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all incoming freshman will receive free segways!

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By A.G.
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If a rich donor would do it, I guarantee JF would go for it.
By Libertine
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Yes, but the larger question is can Jerry put a train whistle on an oversize Segway and try to run down pedestrians?

As long as my Segway gets at least a blue parking sticker, I'm happy.
By Rocketfan
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So what happens if the new mall gets built and puts the old mall out of business ( with retailers moving to a newer and cleaner facility) - thats gonna be a gigantic waste of space.
By SuperJon
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Liberty University Parking Garage. If we do, in fact, have a shuttle service starting, they can put underclassman and on campus parking over there and have a shuttle that takes the students back to campus. That would free up a ton of room with parking lots and allow for what some people on the board have wanted in more grass and green areas.
By Libertine
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Rocketfan wrote:So what happens if the new mall gets built and puts the old mall out of business ( with retailers moving to a newer and cleaner facility) - thats gonna be a gigantic waste of space.
World's Largest Campus Bookstore, baby!! Yeah! You can check out in aisles 1 through 6,000!
By SuperJon
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The lines wouldn't be nearly as long then.
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By El Scorcho
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Rocketfan wrote:So what happens if the new mall gets built and puts the old mall out of business...
There's one less sucky 80's mall in the world?
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By Sly Fox
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And another easily developed piece of real estate available near campus at reduced rates.

Get Hobby Lobby on speed dial.

:)
By A.G.
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It would be an upscale open air mall--and probably not in direct competition with River Ridge. It would probably mean the end of Candler's Station, though.
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By PeterParker
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That's interesting information...if the scenario played out that River Ridge went under for some reason, what would be the chances that LU would make a bid at getting their hands on that piece of real estate? Even if they didn't develop it and held onto it, it's increase in value over the coming years would provide a nice piece of collateral for future plans.

Whatever new development LU does do for the campus parts, IMO they should tap the expertise of these guys (they are tapped to do the buildout of the entire Vedanta University--see http://flamefans.com/viewtopic.php?t=1700), they specialize in building compelling academic buildings. Duke, Syracuse and Messiah, among others, have utilized these guys to design their projects.

http://www.asg-architects.com/
By ATrain
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A.G.-if this new mall doesn't have a movie theater like the dollar theater, then Candler's Station won't ever go completely down. And can we get some outlet stores like Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren and the like? That would be awesome, b/c driving to Williamsburg, NC and Pigeon Forge every year does get a little tiring...
By A.G.
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Agreed, A-Train. The Dollar Theater will keep it above ground--I just would hate to see it turn into another "Plaza". Candlers Station already took a hit when the Old Country Buffett closed.
By Libertine
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A.G. wrote:Agreed, A-Train. The Dollar Theater will keep it above ground--I just would hate to see it turn into another "Plaza". Candlers Station already took a hit when the Old Country Buffett closed.
I say it took a hit when OCB opened.

Come back, Pharmor!! We miss you!
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By PeterParker
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Here are some pics of Richmond's Short Pump Towncenter concept they referenced in the article: (looks pretty nice, hopefully the execution will be as good)

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By Sly Fox
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We have a bunch of these town center deals around Houston. Very nice if executed properly.

But to think that this wouldn't have a direct affect on River Ridge is shortsighted. I can tell you the traditional malls are taking big hits down here.
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By PeterParker
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Now if LU will follow suit and follow the towncenter architectural, aesthetics and layout principles then LU could develop one of the nicest campuses around. IMO they would be smart to utilize those ideals as it relates to pedestrian traffic/auto traffic flow control, a sense of central community gathering points, etc. Anyone know if LU will ever draft a comprehensive plan on which to base the expansion? IMO they should hire one of those nationally known Towncenter architectural firms to design an updated comprehensive future campus development plan, and that way they will have a blueprint they can follow for smart aesthetic growth and they can go back to that firm in the event that they need to figure out how to annex any more surprise gifts a la Ericsson Facility into the existing blueprint they would have in hand.
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By bigsmooth
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indeed the enclosed mall concept is falling by the wayside. "town centers" are the national trend. these mixed-use projects usually include retail, office space, and residential options either apts, condos, or single family homes. i still wonder even with the projected growth of LU, lynchburg is still in need of more high end jobs to support this growth, but this is still great news for lynchburg.
By 4everfsu
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Currently what high paying jobs are in Lynchburg?
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By Brokeback Flamer
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PeterParker wrote:Now if LU will follow suit and follow the towncenter architectural, aesthetics and layout principles then LU coudl develop one of the nicest campus around. IMO they would be smart to utilize those ideals as it relates to pedestrian traffic/auto traffic flow control, a sense of central community gathering points, etc. Anyone know if LU will ever draft a comprehensive plan on which to base the expansion? IMO they should hire one of those nationally known Towncenter architectural firms to design an updated comprehensive future campus development plan, and that way they will have a blueprint they can follow for smart aesthtic growth and they can go back to that firm in the event that they need to figure out how to annex any more surprise gifts a la Ericsson Facility into the existing blueprint they would have in hand.
They have actually drawn up 5. There was the "Original" that actually had the Wal Mart property in it, and then I know that there was the one that had the Church across of 460 where Campus East/South is, there was also the one where the SAC was between a FULLY FINISHED DEMOSS (3rd AND 4th floor even) and the Vines Center. All parking was eliminated and moved to the TRBC area and it was to become a "pedestrian" campus. They are curently operating under another one, but I have not seen it. I know there was at least one between the "Original" and the one with the church, but don't recall the specifics.
The bottom line is if you don't like the current lay out of the campus, give it a few months/years and you will like it even less!!
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By El Scorcho
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4everfsu wrote:Currently what high paying jobs are in Lynchburg?
That is an excellent question. There are only about 20 or so at LU.
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By TallyW
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This was actually my only concern with the project... Where are the big spenders... unless they're going to:

1. Count on loaded college students to drive this project (which I don't see happening)

or

2. Lower the quality of stores. Short Pump in Richmond has some high-end anchor stores.

To keep it higher end would be a nice addition, I'm just not confident that the economy in the burg can sustain that. But I'm no city planner.
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