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By matshark
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Hey guys I'm working on a Tea Party for Monument Terrace in Lynchburg from 3-8pm.

Lynchburg Councilman Jeff Helgeson is a confirmed speaker at the event.

More details on events will be posted later. I'm working on some really cool things to involve downtown businesses, etc...

check the event out here:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=60247963149
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By SeoulFlame
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I'm in. My wife wants to know if you need any help. She will facebook you.
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By matshark
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Thanks SeoulFlame!

Looking forward to working with both of you.

Have talked with K.C. also.

HMO, can you help?
By ATrain
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I would love to be there, but I'll be tossing tea out in Rock Hill at the Big South Tennis Tournament.
By Hold My Own
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matshark wrote:Thanks SeoulFlame!

Looking forward to working with both of you.

Have talked with K.C. also.

HMO, can you help?

Sorry I'm late to the party, what do you need?
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By matshark
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Hey bro,

I'm working on a couple of things that I think you might be able to help with if you don't mind. I'm trying to find a couple of downtown businesses that would be willing to help with a little commemorative collector type promtion for the Tea Party. It won't cost them anything, I just need them to be willing to hold the items there for people to come in and pick up. (More details on that later).

Also, I'm looking for a couple of small donations etc... to help with printing posters, fliers, etc... as well as helping to buy the commemorative items (they're VERY inexpensive, but I need about 3000 of them - think 750x4).

Finally, Because it starts at 3pm, I'd like to have a way to help get LU students involved and knowing how Jerry Jr. loves to get them politically involved, I'd like to have a way to get them some extra credit for some calsses or showing up and dropping by for a bit.

I have several speakers that I'm working on getting lined up (including one history teacher you would be familiar with) to do a presentation on the origins of the original tea party and how its similar to what's going on now. (If you knew which teacher it was you'd know how entertaining it will be if he is able to do it!)

Thanks,

Matshark

btw, anyone who wants to help can either hit me up on facebook or email me: lynchburgtaxdayteaparty@yahoo.com

I'm very impressed with the offers of help from this forum specifically. It seems like everyone on here is very willing to help. Nice to know that after bickering incessantly over banal inconsequential items, we can all hop on board pretty quickly to work together on something that will hopefully make a point and a difference in our country. FF forever!
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By BJWilliams
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Need help with running sound for the event bro?
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By Rooster Cogburn
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Remember on the time that most of us who pay taxes have jobs that don't end till 5 or 5:30
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By matshark
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Yes, I'm very aware of that. That's why I wanted it to run until about 8. I figure the college students would be available from 3-5 or 530 or so until people got of of work, and then most of the college kids would probably end up dissipating for church, dinner, etc... while the working crowd replaced them.

I'm trying to combine with the other group that's doing a Tea Party down by the riverfront. We'll see if they want to work together. Doesn't look like it at the moment. They are running from 6-8.

I'd like to be able to have everyone move from Monument Terrace down to their Riverfront location around 6 or 630 or so in order to have a big Grand Finale type event. I've already mentioned that to them and the reply was less than cordial. We'll see if we can work together or not.

Things are coming together nicely. Been in contact with the News & Advance, WLNI and WSET. Working with a couple local businesses, and trying to get in contact with a couple more.

Yes BJ, if you wouldn't mind running sound, that would be great! Thank-you.
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By matshark
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Ah yes... nice to see you here Brendan. Welcome to Flame Fans.

He is one of the two working on the other location downtown and I'd encourage each of you to come out to one or both events and have a great time making your opinion seen and heard.
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By mrmacphisto
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This is interesting, and it's happening on my day off. Might have to check out either or both events.
matshark wrote:I have several speakers that I'm working on getting lined up (including one history teacher you would be familiar with) to do a presentation on the origins of the original tea party and how its similar to what's going on now. (If you knew which teacher it was you'd know how entertaining it will be if he is able to do it!)
A Putney appearance would almost guarantee my attendance. 8)
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By matshark
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Certainly. Come early for mine, stay late the for Brendans.
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By matshark
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Congressman Bob Goodlatte is now confirmed for Monument Terrace

still working on a few other speakers.
By kel varson
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mrmacphisto wrote:This is interesting, and it's happening on my day off. Might have to check out either or both events.
matshark wrote:I have several speakers that I'm working on getting lined up (including one history teacher you would be familiar with) to do a presentation on the origins of the original tea party and how its similar to what's going on now. (If you knew which teacher it was you'd know how entertaining it will be if he is able to do it!)
A Putney appearance would almost guarantee my attendance. 8)
lol
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By matshark
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Hey guys, if you are a lynchburg city resident, please show up at City Hall tonight for a Council Meeting on lowering personal property taxes.

Assessors have raised property values by 5% over the last assessment 2 years ago, DESPITE the obvious truth that property values are LOWER now thatn they were 2 years ago. The meeting tonight is to lower the personal property rate from 1.05 to 0.99 - ensuring that personal property taxes do not go up DESPITE the increased assessment.

Showing up for a tax protest is all well and good, but here is your chance to do something even more tangible: Tell in person the people responsible for our tax rates that they need to be lowered, that enough is enough, and that they will be held responsible if they do not lower them.

-Matshark
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*From Facebook*

Lynchburg City Council had a meeting tonight re: the general budget as well as lowering the property tax assessment from 1.05 to 0.99 per $100 of assessed value. Normally they wouldn't think about lowering taxes, but the state assessing program raised property values by 5%. (assessments are done locally, but using the state program - or so we were tld by an assessor. Interestingly, property values in the Norfolk area dropped 30% from the previous assessment. Now, I'm not a genius, but I can tell you that property values here are CERTAINLY not 5% higher than they were 2 years ago. In fact, they aren't even EQUAL with what they were 2 years ago. The following is what I brought to the council:

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Councilmen, Mayor Foster, I am here tonight to protest the 5% raise in property values determined by the latest assessment by the state. This is merely an economic shell game. You cannot look us in the eyes and tell us that our homes are worth more now, than they were 2 years ago. You cannot look us in the eyes and tell us that YOUR homes are worth more now, than they were two years ago.

You cannot tax us more at a time that we make less. I understand that you took a symbolic vote to lower your pay for the next few months back to the level that it was before you voted yourselves a pay raise. I further understand that some of you wanted to give that money to charity. I find that to be a noble gesture.

I must congratulate Mr. Dodson on voting against the raise when it was originally proposed. I further agree with Mr. Helgeson when he says that there are better ways to save money. A great place to start is the city school budget, which for a school that teaches arithmetic, apparently can’t even properly count how many students it has.

Mayor Foster, you are right when you say that you think everyone in city government has to sacrifice. However, merely sacrificing the same percentage of pay as the city workers is but a token sacrifice. What is $100 or $120 dollars per person in the grand scheme of things? No, no. I believe that for those in leadership the requirement is more than for those not in leadership. If you truly mean to make a personal sacrifice it is my belief that you should sacrifice your ENTIRE salary for the year.

If the boards of troubled companies are being forced to return most if not all of their salaries - even salaries that they were contractually obligated to receive – should not YOU also as essentially the board of an economically troubled city return YOUR salaries for the good of the city?

While Councilman Johnson may indeed be correct when he says that the council couldn’t begin to be paid dollar for dollar for what they do, I would offer to you the case of a friend of mine who is a Commander in the Navy. Who as essentially the CEO of a squadron of Helicopters with 250 “employees” and “Millions upon Millions” in assets is paid FAR less than what he is worth. Yet he does it without complaint and makes sacrifices for the good of his squadron far in excess of what is required of him. Is it too much to ask you to do the same? I would offer the suggestion that should the Council REALLY have the best interests of the citizens at hand, they would vote to not be paid at ALL until these troubled economic times are behind us. You are after all public SERVANTS.

The way best way for all businesses to deal with difficult economic times is to cut costs. It is NOT to increase their prices at a time when their customers can least afford to pay them. In cutting costs, that not only begins in the boardroom, but also carries through to every department.

As tax payers we are taxed when we earn money, taxed when we spend it, taxed on top of that if we eat in the city, taxed if we keep what we bought, taxed if we sell it, taxed if we give it away and then taxed when we die with it. Ironically, criminals can only be made to pay once for their crimes, but tax payers can be made to pay every second of every day for the crime of being productive and earning money to follow their American Dream.

The question I place before you tonight is, how can we begin to trust you with our tax money when the city can’t even get its’ school budget right? The bottom line is that the increased assessment by the state comes at a time when we all can ill afford to pay it. You have the power at this very moment to lower the tax rate and effectively keep our taxes at their current dollar amount.

While I don’t expect you to actually give back your salaries – you Do work hard for them – I DO expect you to do the right thing by the people of Lynchburg and relieve them of this covert tax increase placed upon them by the state. To borrow the words of Daniel Hannan, the danger you have before you should you NOT lower property taxes is that of becoming the devalued city council of a devalued city in the devalued economy of a devalued - and soon to be bankrupt - country.

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I'm quite sure Mayor Foster is not a fan of me at this point, but the bottom line is that government MUST look out for the people it serves. Interestingly, i got some applause from the people at the meeting...lol (Not bad I guess considering applause isn't allowed in council meetings...)

At any rate, the opposition to the increased property assessments was high, with only (apparently) a tweaker - i really wish they'd do drug and alcohol tests before they let people speak - and this crazy old guy who happened to be a raving liberal, in favor of the higher assessments. Everyone else was pretty much up in arms, and rightly so, about the tax increase.
By SuperJon
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Not all taxing is bad. Real estate taxes are what pays for the school systems. Yes, getting your taxes raised sucks and never feels good, but at least (in theory) real estate taxes are the ones that provide the most good.
By SuperJon
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Rocketfan wrote:
SuperJon wrote: Real estate taxes are what pays for the school systems.
So does the Mega Millions lottery.....
I forgot Virginia's lottery didn't completely screw over the school system. My bad. I'm thinking of how it is back home where the lottery effed the schools completely.
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By matshark
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the problem is not paying real estate taxes. (although the city school system says it has more students than it really does - Jeff Helgeson made a big deal about this and wanted them to fix it - and real estate taxes in each of the surrounding counties and cities are MUCH lower than in lynchburg)

the problem is that in the most recent real estate assessment property values were assessed at 5% higher than they were two years ago. now you show me ONE house in your (or my) neighborhood that could be sold for even the same amount as two years ago when they did the last assessment.

property values in Norfolk are 30% LOWER in their assessment this year, but lynchburg's are 5% higher? hmmmmm.....

so the issue before city council is to lower the tax rate from 1.05 to 0.998 which would keep the dollar amount in taxes the same. here's the other issue, it wasn't just property values being assessed higher. homes were also being assessed as being higher quality (i.e. good vs. fair) which makes their "value" even higher.

you tell me how a house goes from having $1000 in taxes every year to all of a sudden have $1300+ taxes this year on it. (as one gentleman who spoke last night found out the hard way). Further, you tell me how a guy on polk st. (gang territory) who is the only homeowner on his block - the rest of the houses are owned by slum lords (as that particular guy who lived on polk st for like 23 years so eloquently put it) - has a house worth $117k. NO house on polk st. is worth $117k. half of them have been condemned, there are only like 4 or 5 homeowners in one stretch of 3 blocks, and the vast majority of rest of the houses are owned by people who don't even live there and rent them out (i.e. slumlords). Further, Polk St. is designated by the city as "crime ridden." Now after that brief description, how many of you want to live there, let alone pay over $100k for a house there?

*crickets*
By Ed Dantes
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I can think of no bigger waste of time than having a "tea party". Ooooh, a congressman / city council member is going to have a bunch of tea bags in his mailbox.

Why don't you go out and register some voters?

That one might actually have some sort of tangible effect.



And one of the reasons why Norfolk property assessments are LOWER is because the Hampton Roads area has been a desirable place to live. The property values shot up; now it's returning to earth. Lynchburg (which doesn't boast beachfront property) did not see a disproportionate rise in its home prices, ergo, it won't see assessments drop in the same manner.

What do you say to that?

*crickets*
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By RagingTireFire
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Ed Dantes wrote:I can think of no bigger waste of time than having a "tea party". Ooooh, a congressman / city council member is going to have a bunch of tea bags in his mailbox.

Why don't you go out and register some voters?

That one might actually have some sort of tangible effect.
+1
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By JDUB
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i think a better idea would be to get thousands of people to email their representatives on a regular basis stating specifically what they are doing wrong and how they would like to see it done. that would make more of an impact
By ATrain
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Ed Dantes wrote:I can think of no bigger waste of time than having a "tea party". Ooooh, a congressman / city council member is going to have a bunch of tea bags in his mailbox.

Why don't you go out and register some voters?

That one might actually have some sort of tangible effect.



And one of the reasons why Norfolk property assessments are LOWER is because the Hampton Roads area has been a desirable place to live. The property values shot up; now it's returning to earth. Lynchburg (which doesn't boast beachfront property) did not see a disproportionate rise in its home prices, ergo, it won't see assessments drop in the same manner.

What do you say to that?

*crickets*
There was no bigger waste of 15 seconds of my life than reading that.
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By matshark
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Ed Dantes wrote:I can think of no bigger waste of time than having a "tea party". Ooooh, a congressman / city council member is going to have a bunch of tea bags in his mailbox.

Why don't you go out and register some voters?

That one might actually have some sort of tangible effect.



And one of the reasons why Norfolk property assessments are LOWER is because the Hampton Roads area has been a desirable place to live. The property values shot up; now it's returning to earth. Lynchburg (which doesn't boast beachfront property) did not see a disproportionate rise in its home prices, ergo, it won't see assessments drop in the same manner.

What do you say to that?

*crickets*
I know QUITE a few homeowners who would be MORE than happy to sell you their homes for 5% more than they were assessed at 2 years ago. But yes, you are right, property values shot up and are now returning to earth. Which is exactly why homes are now not worth even EQUAL to what they were 2 years ago.

And the problem is that assessments DIDN'T drop. They went UP! Which is why people want the tax rate lowered, in order to offset the higher assessment rate and keep their taxes at the same dollar amount.
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