[Sly Fox]

Many are presuming this to be a direct shot at LU ...

Kaine seeks to phase out tuition assistance for private university graduate students

By Ray Reed
Published: January 15, 2009


RICHMOND—Phasing out tuition assistance for graduate students who attend private universities is part of Gov. Timothy M. Kaine’s effort to deal with a $3 billion budget shortfall.

Del. Shannon Valentine, D-Lynchburg, said she wants to restore Kaine’s proposed phaseout because the tuition grants benefit graduate students at Lynchburg College and Liberty University.

“I believe it is important to retain the funding,“ Valentine said, adding that she is drafting a budget amendment that would protect the grants to graduate students.

The phase-out proposed by Kaine would save the state $2.1 million in the 2009-10 fiscal year, according to the budget bill filed with the General Assembly.

Liberty University probably receives more funds through the tuition-assistance program than any other school.

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[ATrain]

BOO!!! BOO!!! and BOO!!!

[Fumblerooskies]

I just hope the VTag for undergrads is not on the cutting block.

[flamesbball84]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

[flamesfan30]

maybe we shouldn't have laughed at him when he started talking about Obama's moral integrity and Christian roots in convo...

[LUconn]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

aren't you a grad student at LC? You should be angrier.

[SumItUp]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

Education spending does not equal quality of education.

Note: Stupider is not a word. Next time, try more stupid

[flamesbball84]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

Education spending does not equal quality of education.

Note: Stupider is not a word. Next time, try more stupid

might want to check out the dictionary.

from the american heritage dictionary: http://www.bartleby.com/61/76/S0827600.html

stu·pid (stōō'pĭd, styōō'-) Pronunciation Key
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.

n. A stupid or foolish person.

[Latin stupidus, from stupēre, to be stunned.]
stu'pid·ly adv., stu'pid·ness n.

also, you missed the point: cut the tag grant, makes it less affordable for people to pursue higher education. less higher education a person earns, the more likely they are to earn jobs that afford a higher standard of living. the lower quality and less skilled job a person has, the more likely it is to result in layoffs (example: danville) and lower payrates. if you don't have a job, guess what? the government pays you for unemployment and also receives less tax income, a dobule whammy. if you have a lower paying job, the government also receives less tax income. i think it's a pretty safe bet to say that a person who earns an undergraduate and a graduate degree has a drastically higher chance of being able to earn a high income than one who doesn't have an undergraduate or graduate degree.

[flamesbball84]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

aren't you a grad student at LC? You should be angrier.

yes i am, but this doesn't effect me whatsoever. i don't have to pay anything out of my own pocket for tuition, all I have to pay is for the various fees like technology fee, activiy fee, etc. along with books.

[ATrain]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

aren't you a grad student at LC? You should be angrier.

yes i am, but this doesn't effect me whatsoever. i don't have to pay anything out of my own pocket for tuition, all I have to pay is for the various fees like technology fee, activiy fee, etc. along with books.

It doesn't affect me either, but it would mean more coming out of the athletic budget for future GA's from Virginia. Plus it would also affect a ton of people I know as well...people who attend both LU and LC.

[SumItUp]

i have an even better idea: stop spending money on bullcrap that you shouldn't be spending money on in the first place. real logical solution when faced with a budget shortfall, lets cut education so that people will be stupider, which most likely means they'll get lower paid jobs, which in turn means less taxes will be paid, which means less governmental income.

Education spending does not equal quality of education.

Note: Stupider is not a word. Next time, try more stupid

might want to check out the dictionary.

Yes, stupider is a word. I actually meant to say that it is considered improper (not incorrect) to say stupider. It is kind of like using the word ambitious. Regardless, you are missing the point. Education spending does not equal quality of education and higher education does not necessarily equate to greater pay.

[flamesbball84]

It doesn't affect me either, but it would mean more coming out of the athletic budget for future GA's from Virginia. Plus it would also affect a ton of people I know as well...people who attend both LU and LC.

it's not nearly as bad as you think. mostly all the athletic department GAs at LC graduated from LC, which means they get 50% off their graduate school tuition. To go full-time in a graduate program (9 credit hours per semester, which is three classes), it costs $6750 with no scholarships of any sort. If you gradute from LC, it costs 3375 without vtag.

16 of the 23 athletic department GAs graduated from LC, so mostly all of them are going dirt cheap to begin with. I, for example, only "cost" $2250 in tuition because I only take 6 hours a semester and got my undergrad degree from LC.

Also, 13 of the 23 GAs are in-state, so 10 of the GAs don't evcause you haven qualify for vtag to begin with and quite a few of the ones that are in-state aren't going full-time, so they don't qualify for vtag either because you have to go full-time to get it. Based on the current geographic composition of the GAs and in previous years, the fact that 13 of them are in-state is pretty high compared to previous years. The trend for the GAs is that most of them are out of state as most of the teams with a GA have a large representation (right at 50/50 split or higher) of out of state players:

men's basketball, 6/14 out of state; men's xc, 11/17 out of state; men's lax (based on last year's roster) 34/42; men's track 18/39; field hockey 15/28; women's lax 19/31; women's track 13/30; and women's soccer 14/24.
there are only 5 teams that typically have GAs and have a large majority of in-state students: baseball, men's soccer, women's basketball, softball (based on last year's roster), and volleyball.

So basically, unless the coaches start hiring exclusively in-state students, the impact of no vtag will be minimal virtually every year.

[flamesbball84]

Yes, stupider is a word. I actually meant to say that it is considered improper (not incorrect) to say stupider. It is kind of like using the word ambitious. Regardless, you are missing the point. Education spending does not equal quality of education and higher education does not necessarily equate to greater pay.

I never said education spending equals quality of education, guess you didn't see me say it the first time...
And yes higher education does not necessarily equate to higher pay, but all studies I everyone else I know have ever seen show that one is much more likely to make more money by getting a college degree than they are with just a HS degree, and that you can not contest against without being just flat out wrong, period.

[ATrain]

It doesn't affect me either, but it would mean more coming out of the athletic budget for future GA's from Virginia. Plus it would also affect a ton of people I know as well...people who attend both LU and LC.

it's not nearly as bad as you think. mostly all the athletic department GAs at LC graduated from LC, which means they get 50% off their graduate school tuition. To go full-time in a graduate program (9 credit hours per semester, which is three classes), it costs $6750 with no scholarships of any sort. If you gradute from LC, it costs 3375 without vtag.

16 of the 23 athletic department GAs graduated from LC, so mostly all of them are going dirt cheap to begin with. I, for example, only "cost" $2250 in tuition because I only take 6 hours a semester and got my undergrad degree from LC.

Also, 13 of the 23 GAs are in-state, so 10 of the GAs don't evcause you haven qualify for vtag to begin with and quite a few of the ones that are in-state aren't going full-time, so they don't qualify for vtag either because you have to go full-time to get it. Based on the current geographic composition of the GAs and in previous years, the fact that 13 of them are in-state is pretty high compared to previous years. The trend for the GAs is that most of them are out of state as most of the teams with a GA have a large representation (right at 50/50 split or higher) of out of state players:

men's basketball, 6/14 out of state; men's xc, 11/17 out of state; men's lax (based on last year's roster) 34/42; men's track 18/39; field hockey 15/28; women's lax 19/31; women's track 13/30; and women's soccer 14/24.
there are only 5 teams that typically have GAs and have a large majority of in-state students: baseball, men's soccer, women's basketball, softball (based on last year's roster), and volleyball.

So basically, unless the coaches start hiring exclusively in-state students, the impact of no vtag will be minimal virtually every year.

I meant GA's at LU when I said that...we get full scholarships, minus what we get for VTAG, but without VTAG it would mean our athletic department would pay more.

And I wasn't referring to athletic GAs at LC when I said that I know grad students it would affect at LC.

[mrmacphisto]

maybe we shouldn't have laughed at him when he started talking about Obama's moral integrity and Christian roots in convo...

Yeah, probably not.

Didn't Warner do this as well, but for resident students?

[flamesbball84]

It doesn't affect me either, but it would mean more coming out of the athletic budget for future GA's from Virginia. Plus it would also affect a ton of people I know as well...people who attend both LU and LC.

it's not nearly as bad as you think. mostly all the athletic department GAs at LC graduated from LC, which means they get 50% off their graduate school tuition. To go full-time in a graduate program (9 credit hours per semester, which is three classes), it costs $6750 with no scholarships of any sort. If you gradute from LC, it costs 3375 without vtag.

16 of the 23 athletic department GAs graduated from LC, so mostly all of them are going dirt cheap to begin with. I, for example, only "cost" $2250 in tuition because I only take 6 hours a semester and got my undergrad degree from LC.

Also, 13 of the 23 GAs are in-state, so 10 of the GAs don't evcause you haven qualify for vtag to begin with and quite a few of the ones that are in-state aren't going full-time, so they don't qualify for vtag either because you have to go full-time to get it. Based on the current geographic composition of the GAs and in previous years, the fact that 13 of them are in-state is pretty high compared to previous years. The trend for the GAs is that most of them are out of state as most of the teams with a GA have a large representation (right at 50/50 split or higher) of out of state players:

men's basketball, 6/14 out of state; men's xc, 11/17 out of state; men's lax (based on last year's roster) 34/42; men's track 18/39; field hockey 15/28; women's lax 19/31; women's track 13/30; and women's soccer 14/24.
there are only 5 teams that typically have GAs and have a large majority of in-state students: baseball, men's soccer, women's basketball, softball (based on last year's roster), and volleyball.

So basically, unless the coaches start hiring exclusively in-state students, the impact of no vtag will be minimal virtually every year.

I meant GA's at LU when I said that...we get full scholarships, minus what we get for VTAG, but without VTAG it would mean our athletic department would pay more.

And I wasn't referring to athletic GAs at LC when I said that I know grad students it would affect at LC.

GAs at LC get full tuition scholarships too (well most do, depends on how many the department is allotted and rather they want to split it to get more employees), minus books and stuff like that, so it would affect them just as much as LU GAs. i know most of the mba students have their employers pay for their tuition. i know of very few mba students who actually have to pay full price, which isn't exactly a whole lot to begin with, at least in my opinion $6750 is close to dirt cheap for 18 credit hours.