[thepostman]

My criticism of Jerry here is in no way a stamp of approval for the governor. The little I know about him, he has shown himself as not very trustworthy and isn't a very good leader and I do hope Virginia votes him out of office.

[Purple Haize]

My criticism of Jerry here is in no way a stamp of approval for the governor. The little I know about him, he has shown himself as not very trustworthy and isn't a very good leader and I do hope Virginia votes him out of office.

He can only serve one term Mr Civics
The bad news is Terry MAC is eyeing another run

[thepostman]

Well then there you go! I don't live in Virginia and have never been a registered voter in Virginia so my knowledge on how the state government is run is pretty limited.

[CinciFlame]

I put this in the football forum b/c my comments are football related. How do you guys seperate your love for the school and your disappointment and embarrassment of Jerry Jr? Ian and Hugh have to be beside themselves when they see another dumb, mean spirited tweet from Jr. I was there when Jerry Sr roamed the campus and he had his share of unwise comments, but it was usually done with a smile and he had likeable characteristics. Jr. just seems hateful and mean and as far from "christian" as the left he so often criticizes. Is he so insulated that he has no fear of being removed as president? We can pour millions into athletics and hire the best coaches, but the pr nightmare that jr creates is just cancer for the school. I know good Christian families that won't allow their kids to consider Liberty due to Jr. I'm done trying to defend him.

[rhezick]

He has every Right to Tweet that. I have every Right to think it was a dick move. It’s how the 1st Amendment works. He can say it, I don’t have to agree with it. ‘Merica

He has every right to tweet it, but he has a responsibility not to. The mantle of leadership - especially Christian leadership - requires you to give up some of your rights in order to fulfill the duties of the position.

Plus that thing Paul said about not offending your brother.

There is no room on this forum for that socialist, treason filled talk about giving up rights. How dare you sir. I'm pretty sure the passage your looking for is found in Matthew 5:23 - "So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, screw 'em."

[thepostman]

I put this in the football forum b/c my comments are football related. How do you guys seperate your love for the school and your disappointment and embarrassment of Jerry Jr? Ian and Hugh have to be beside themselves when they see another dumb, mean spirited tweet from Jr. I was there when Jerry Sr roamed the campus and he had his share of unwise comments, but it was usually done with a smile and he had likeable characteristics. Jr. just seems hateful and mean and as far from "christian" as the left he so often criticizes. Is he so insulated that he has no fear of being removed as president? We can pour millions into athletics and hire the best coaches, but the pr nightmare that jr creates is just cancer for the school. I know good Christian families that won't allow their kids to consider Liberty due to Jr. I'm done trying to defend him.

I moved this to this thread but I think it is a valid question and something a lot of us struggle with.

I love LU but Jerry makes it hard to support the school. I will be interested to hear others take on this.

[LUAlum1215]

Yea, Virginia governors are allowed two terms but not consecutively. Mcauliffe wouldn’t be much different than what we have now, but I don’t think there’s hope for a republican governor any time soon.

[Jonathan Carone]

Is he so insulated that he has no fear of being removed as president?

Yes. There is literally nothing that can be done to remove him as president short of his brother launching a coup. The board is a group of hand picked yes men who will do what Jerry says. The senior VPs are handsomely paid yes men who will do what Jerry wants done. There are absolutely no checks and balances in place that have any teeth to do anything.

[thepostman]

I mean there are checks and balances, you referenced the only remaining check and that would be TRBC coming in and taking over unless that has somehow been written out of the schools bylaws.

With that said, I don't think Jonathan would allow that to happen unless things got really bad because of the division that would cause within the family for years to come. I already sense that there is some division but that would really alter things for a long, long time. I'd argue that it is worth it but that is really for me to say from my chair typing on a keyboard. Family dynamics are difficult to navigate.

[Purple Haize]

In the back of my mind I can see Junior stepping over to run one of these Think Tanks he’s establishing. It suits his demeanor better

[ballah09]

I put this in the football forum b/c my comments are football related. How do you guys seperate your love for the school and your disappointment and embarrassment of Jerry Jr? Ian and Hugh have to be beside themselves when they see another dumb, mean spirited tweet from Jr. I was there when Jerry Sr roamed the campus and he had his share of unwise comments, but it was usually done with a smile and he had likeable characteristics. Jr. just seems hateful and mean and as far from "christian" as the left he so often criticizes. Is he so insulated that he has no fear of being removed as president? We can pour millions into athletics and hire the best coaches, but the pr nightmare that jr creates is just cancer for the school. I know good Christian families that won't allow their kids to consider Liberty due to Jr. I'm done trying to defend him.

I moved this to this thread but I think it is a valid question and something a lot of us struggle with.

I love LU but Jerry makes it hard to support the school. I will be interested to hear others take on this.

I can't support the school. I try to only have him to make another dumb comment.

As for Hugh and Ian, I'm sure he's a cancer to their goals of building an elite program. I've seen a few football players and recruits tweet about their disapproval of Jr.

[Jonathan Carone]

I mean there are checks and balances, you referenced the only remaining check and that would be TRBC coming in and taking over unless that has somehow been written out of the schools bylaws.

With that said, I don't think Jonathan would allow that to happen unless things got really bad because of the division that would cause within the family for years to come. I already sense that there is some division but that would really alter things for a long, long time. I'd argue that it is worth it but that is really for me to say from my chair typing on a keyboard. Family dynamics are difficult to navigate.

It wouldn't be TRBC. It'd have to be Jonathan stepping up and calling his brother out and grabbing the power. He would never, ever, do that though.

Jonathan is a pastor first. I was told he wants to pastor his church and has made the decision to leave his brother to God.

[Jonathan Carone]

I've seen a few football players and recruits tweet about their disapproval of Jr.

A former player (Jeremy Peters) tweeted Liberty needs a new president and we've had players/recruits retweet it or comment on it in agreement.

[thepostman]

I mean there are checks and balances, you referenced the only remaining check and that would be TRBC coming in and taking over unless that has somehow been written out of the schools bylaws.

With that said, I don't think Jonathan would allow that to happen unless things got really bad because of the division that would cause within the family for years to come. I already sense that there is some division but that would really alter things for a long, long time. I'd argue that it is worth it but that is really for me to say from my chair typing on a keyboard. Family dynamics are difficult to navigate.

It wouldn't be TRBC. It'd have to be Jonathan stepping up and calling his brother out and grabbing the power. He would never, ever, do that though.

Jonathan is a pastor first. I was told he wants to pastor his church and has made the decision to leave his brother to God.

I wish I could find a copy but the school's bylaws use to specifically state that TRBC could over rule the board on any decision if they deemed it appropriate. Of course Jonathan would have to be the driving force of that and it seems you have heard very similar things about Jonathan that I have so it isn't going to happen. At least not any time soon.

[Sly Fox]

I believe there were some changes to the bylaws over the years but postie's memory is line with my own from back in the day.

[flamehunter]

Is he so insulated that he has no fear of being removed as president?

Yes. There is literally nothing that can be done to remove him as president short of his brother launching a coup. The board is a group of hand picked yes men who will do what Jerry says. The senior VPs are handsomely paid yes men who will do what Jerry wants done. There are absolutely no checks and balances in place that have any teeth to do anything.

The last check and balance for him left the day Macel passed. If you look back, he started going off the rails soon after he didn't have to consider her feelings or thoughts any longer, IMHO.

[thepostman]

I never have put those 2 things together until now and you're right, those things do correlate. Correlation doesn't always equal causation but it is an interesting theory to say the least.

Liberty employs a lot of great people that help keep the school the special place it is but as more get let go or resign, how long will that last?

[chris leedlelee]

I love LU and always will regardless of what Jerry says or does. One mean man doesn't outweigh the good that hundreds of professors do and many others affiliated with LU. With that said, I didn't see too much of an issue with this tweet specifically, except that it is highly unprofessional and has become the norm for Jr. There has to be some kind of restraint on his behavior. Jonathan needs to grow a pair (To use Jerry's own words) and save LU from Jerry while he still can.

[Jonathan Carone]

It might not be an issue of growing a pair. If Jonathan thought God truly wanted him to do something, I’m sure he would. Without that conviction, it wouldn’t be right for him to do it, even if I’d appreciate it.

[rogers3]

I love the school... Always have, but I discontinued all financial support and give it to my school now. I continue supporting the school in word, but have no problem disliking Jerry all the same. He reminds me of kings in Israel that were ordained by God and then proceeded to build altars to other gods. Idolatry is alive and well in all of us but not too many are as brazen about their idolatrous pursuits as is Jerry.

[JK37]

I wish I donated enough money to sway that decision.

You can’t. There is no amount of money great enough to sway it. Supply and demand. LU has all the supply of it, no demand for it. One less check&balance.

[Just John]

I don't want to play the "Jesus juke" here but I have a friend who texted me and another friend about this today. She is one of the hardest working people I know, a single parent, trying to put herself through LU online. She passionately said Jr has a duty as THE representative of the world's biggest Christian university to represent Christ first, not his political preferences. Our mutual friend said has called us to be "Christian Warriors". Now I love my friend but we are talking about wearing face masks!!! I doubt God really wants believers to go to "war" over face masks!

Jerry's play was pure ego. He won't change the mind of anyone who didn't already agree with him but he will alienate some who might have been favorable to him. You seldom insult someone into changing their minds.

[Just John]

I wish I donated enough money to sway that decision.

You can’t. There is no amount of money great enough to sway it. Supply and demand. LU has all the supply of it, no demand for it. One less check&balance.

I would agree with you 9 times out of 10 but the last 5 months have shown us all just how fast things can change. The days of being flush with cash or on top of the mountain can change quickly. Nice to have goodwill and friends when things do change.

[JK37]

Ok, we’ll see.

[Jonathan Carone]

We have multiple billions in cash and reserves. Jerry has states he has no use for donors and he’s glad he doesn’t have to answer to them.