[SuperJon]

If you tightened dress code back up, you'd have people transfer out next semester simply because of that. Guarantee it.

[Rocketfan]

If you tightened dress code back up, you'd have people transfer out next semester simply because of that. Guarantee it.

But how would that be a bad thing, if we have some many kids applying who can't already get in......its not like we would take a hit and have an empty dorm room anywhere.

[LUconn]

If you tightened dress code back up, you'd have people transfer out next semester simply because of that. Guarantee it.

not saying you're wrong, but I just can't understand such an irrational reaction to having to wear slacks instead of jeans to a classes that you go to for maybe 3 hours a day. But college kids are such drama queens I could see them leaving in mass.

[SuperJon]

If you tightened dress code back up, you'd have people transfer out next semester simply because of that. Guarantee it.

But how would that be a bad thing, if we have some many kids applying who can't already get in......its not like we would take a hit and have an empty dorm room anywhere.

How many of those kids wouldn't apply if there was a stricter dress code though?

Like it or not, kids want to be comfortable when they go to class. When it's 90 degrees outside with 85% humidity, a pair of shorts and a t-shirt isn't a bad thing.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

and i guess those same people who would transfer would be so proud of their maturity level. And are those same people going to be looking for a new job and major when they graduate? Most kids at school are business majors, and most businesses have a certain dress, and it isnt T-Shirts and gym shorts.

This isnt me, but think about the stereotypical person people consider "succesful" and how they dress?

Most people i know who want to give off the appearance of being succesful are looking more for the classier clothes, they arent saying "oh man next time I go shopping Im definatly going straight to Dick's to pick up those new adidas shorts, those things just radiate class"

And this isnt to say you have to dress in a certain way to be succesful, its me saying look around at America.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

If you tightened dress code back up, you'd have people transfer out next semester simply because of that. Guarantee it.

But how would that be a bad thing, if we have some many kids applying who can't already get in......its not like we would take a hit and have an empty dorm room anywhere.

How many of those kids wouldn't apply if there was a stricter dress code though?

Like it or not, kids want to be comfortable when they go to class. When it's 90 degrees outside with 85% humidity, a pair of shorts and a t-shirt isn't a bad thing.

At the same time, Professors would still be expected to dress in a certain dress code, and why should the students be allowed to wear shorts and t-shirts if the professor isnt allowed to?

I know I personally would not respect a professor as much if Im dressed nicer than he is.

[SuperJon]

Why? Because the professor is being paid, and the students are the ones doing the paying.

I live in sweats, gym shorts, t-shirts, etc. However, I can guarantee you I know how to dress when needed. I work in shorts and a polo.

Just because someone doesn't want to dress up, doesn't mean they're not mature. Since when has maturity level depended on dress? Leave it to Christians to judge people by the way they dress and not accept them for who they are.

All through school, your teachers had to dress a certain way and you were allowed to wear whatever you want and you respected your teachers. Why does that change in college?

[blwall1416]

At the same time, Professors would still be expected to dress in a certain dress code, and why should the students be allowed to wear shorts and t-shirts if the professor isnt allowed to?

I know I personally would not respect a professor as much if Im dressed nicer than he is.

T C Boyle at USC disagrees....

[SuperJon]

You probably think that preachers are only respected when they wear a 3-piece suit, and don't get the same respect when they're in jeans and a button down shirt.

[hurricane fan]

FFG this year we dont have the "signed contract" - TTL we used to be given a contract that we were supposed to sign saying we read and will follow the Liberty Way. They used to give it to us at hall meeting but only 1/2 to maybe 2/3 actualy signed it, and I cant imagine all of those people actually reading the thing.

FWIW, this process is done electronically during the application process before you are even accepted to attend school here. Most wouldn't know that they agreed to knowing and abiding by the Liberty Way because their mommy probably filled out the application for them.

[ToTheLeft]

If that is the case I personally believe that a specific hatred of those "non-ethical" rules has more to do with rebellion than logic.

I think that is probably one of the best ways to sum this up. The argument against these rules isn't logical.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

You probably think that preachers are only respected when they wear a 3-piece suit, and don't get the same respect when they're in jeans and a button down shirt.

what was it you said a little before this about jumping to conclusions?

You have never had a conversation with me, you cant just lable me one of those people.

All through Highschool I went to one of the worst Highschools in the Country, and I chose to wear collared shirts almost every day, its just the way I dress. When I assume a Pastoral Position in a few years, my dress will most often be slacks with a button up collared shirt, not a three piece suit.

And It helps to know Im a Pastoral Leadership-Philosophy double minor, so naturally, if Im going to class dressed in even jeans and long sleeve collared shirt, and my professor shows up in gym shorts and a t-shirt every day, It would just portray to me he doesnt care about his appearance.

And as to my statement about the maturity level, if someone is transferring schools solely because of a dress code then they dont have any maturity. I dont see how you can disagree with this. I mean granted, by agreeing with it publicly your agreeing with my point, and you cant do that, because you have your opinion set in stone in your mind and wont back down, but seriously, in your head, i dont understand how you can disagree with that, yet if you do, Id like to know how you can consider it mature to transfer schools solely based on a dress code.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

At the same time, Professors would still be expected to dress in a certain dress code, and why should the students be allowed to wear shorts and t-shirts if the professor isnt allowed to?

I know I personally would not respect a professor as much if Im dressed nicer than he is.

T C Boyle at USC disagrees....

What was it Doc always said, something to the effect of if its christian, it should be better.

Not to say dressing one way makes someone better than someone who dresses in a different way, but we should be living differently as christians.

Not enough of us "Christians" are living differently, and this is why so many americans refuse to take part in church or accept the salvation offered by our Savior.

[LUconn]

T.C. Boyle? Oh gee, he's an English prof The old 2 initials and the last name. Real original. The man's a walking cliche.

[jmdickens]

hey girls....stop arguing over something that is not going to change....

1. there is no way the dress code is going to go back to the former LU dress code, that just wouldn't work....SJ is right!!!
2. personal freedom surpasses all arguments (logical or illogical) when it comes to dress, and yeah judging someone b/c of the way they dress is classless.
3. why do I feel in the next few years were going to have less preachers like Jerry Falwell and more preachers like Charles Finney!!!

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

being as I said Im going to be a pastor I take your last claim to be a little directed at me, which i take offense to. Sorry if your not meaning me.

I know what I believe, and Im constantly growing in my understanding of God and his word, and In response to your point three, why is it that I feel(and Jerry held a similar position) that the majority of Christians today arent cutting it. The church of today has a huge problem and it needs to be fixed.

Your right, arguing about the dress code wont change anything. Im simply stating that I hope the dress code doesnt change because Im sure Doc would be greatly displeased if we took what he built into a really special school that was set apart from others and made it just like every other college.

One thing I do hope changes on this campus, however, is the lack of a zeal for Jesus Christ, instead of the me me me attitude that I see far too often on this campus. Even when I see people serving or giving, they are turning around and saying "Hey, check me out, Im awesome, i just gave money at TRBC congratulate me." or "hey, i go to campus serve every saturday, im a good guy." Im also very sick of the people who are either (A) a pastoral leadership major so they can find a wife, because every girl wants to marry a pastor and (B) the girls who are so dead set on marrying a pastor.

[SuperJon]

A stricter dress code would change the culture of Liberty. You cannot deny that. You're saying that someone leaving because they disliked part of the culture is immature. With that being said, I left Coastal because I didn't like the culture of the school. Are you in turn saying I'm immature for leaving Coastal?

[jmdickens]

being as I said Im going to be a pastor I take your last claim to be a little directed at me, which i take offense to. Sorry if your not meaning me.

I know what I believe, and Im constantly growing in my understanding of God and his word, and In response to your point three, why is it that I feel(and Jerry held a similar position) that the majority of Christians today arent cutting it. The church of today has a huge problem and it needs to be fixed.

Your right, arguing about the dress code wont change anything. Im simply stating that I hope the dress code doesnt change because Im sure Doc would be greatly displeased if we took what he built into a really special school that was set apart from others and made it just like every other college.

One thing I do hope changes on this campus, however, is the lack of a zeal for Jesus Christ, instead of the me me me attitude that I see far too often on this campus. Even when I see people serving or giving, they are turning around and saying "Hey, check me out, Im awesome, i just gave money at TRBC congratulate me." or "hey, i go to campus serve every saturday, im a good guy." Im also very sick of the people who are either (A) a pastoral leadership major so they can find a wife, because every girl wants to marry a pastor and (B) the girls who are so dead set on marrying a pastor.

We must know different girls at LU, b/c I know dozens who DO NOT want to marry a pastor....and if they are majoring in that for any reason than the feeling that God called them to it than I hope they become a pastor and live a poor poor life....b/c your average pastor isn't rolling in money. Also, girls that want to marry a guy for what piece of paper they carry is no better than a gold digger looking for a rich guy....yeah, that's right they are holy whores..

A relationship with Christ is between the individual and is not something we can measure on a scale for the entire campus, so I promise you are going to be disappointed when you do that......

[4everfsu]

First I say keep the curfew. If for any other reason after midnight you probably have a better chance of a drunk driver hitting you, so for safety sake stay on campus.
For those who want to transfer because of the dress code or hair code or curfew code to another school, don't let the door hit you on the way out. It is a small sacrifice for four or five years. And don't talk to me about how hard it is at LU now.
And keep this in mind, say you graduate from LU and one day you are up for a $100K plus job and your new employer says by the way we have a dress code here. Shirt, tie and maybe a coat, what are you going to say? Well we didn't have to wear a shirt and tie at LU. He or she may say you dont have to wear one here either, you don't need to work here.
I am also amazed I agree with TTL and qkslvrsrfrboy on this topic. One of the best discussion in a long time.

[pbow]

And keep this in mind, say you graduate from LU and one day you are up for a $100K plus job and your new employer says by the way we have a dress code here. Shirt, tie and maybe a coat, what are you going to say? Well we didn't have to wear a shirt and tie at LU. He or she may say you dont have to wear one here either, you don't need to work here.

Your forgetting a big difference here...that job would pay $100K, not requiring us to pay like we do by attending college. I think if a dress code was involved in a job, 99.999999% of students at LU wouldn't have any problem with it at all.

[sweetnahmah1]

And keep this in mind, say you graduate from LU and one day you are up for a $100K plus job and your new employer says by the way we have a dress code here. Shirt, tie and maybe a coat, what are you going to say? Well we didn't have to wear a shirt and tie at LU. He or she may say you dont have to wear one here either, you don't need to work here.

Your forgetting a big difference here...that job would pay $100K, not requiring us to pay like we do by attending college. I think if a dress code was involved in a job, 100% of students at LU wouldn't have any problem with it at all.

fixed it.

We're not idiots, we'd dress up for a job.

[Schfourteenteen]

A stricter dress code would change the culture of Liberty. You cannot deny that. You're saying that someone leaving because they disliked part of the culture is immature. With that being said, I left Coastal because I didn't like the culture of the school. Are you in turn saying I'm immature for leaving Coastal?

Is changing the culture here at LU a bad thing? I dont think so. We have a lot of "cultural" problems here at LU. No one respects authority, and most people who dont get in trouble are the guys who find every loophole they can in order to do what they want. No one ever confronts someone when they break the rules. We just try our best to come up with a story to get the best deal we can. We never take our relationship with God seriously, and anytime we can beat our conscience to appease our feelings we will do so in a heartbeat.

Jon youre saying people will leave if we make changes to a dress code? If thats what it takes to get this school as a whole serious about Christ then I dont see the problem with it. And please dont take that as some "How you dress is how you behave" crap. Youre missing the point. Its about submitting to authority, and if they cant do that they shouldnt be here. People who have a problem submitting to rules shouldnt be here, its not a good fit for them. Jon, if you had to go to a convo would you transfer? I mean coming from someone who hasnt ever had a curfew or a convo check or a room check Im not sure how much you can complain about the rules here.

Some poeple here at Liberty have to understand that just because a rule is not a moral issue it doesnt give you the right to disregard it completly.

[ToTheLeft]

Becoming a leader means serving, and following. If you aren't prepared to submit to the rules, you aren't prepared to lead. That's pretty Biblical... leading by serving. There was this Jesus guy who did that...

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

SJ theres a big difference between the culture and not liking to have to wear a collared shirt to class. I never even said make the dress code stricter, i just agreed it needs to be enforced.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Becoming a leader means serving, and following. If you aren't prepared to submit to the rules, you aren't prepared to lead. That's pretty Biblical... leading by serving. There was this Jesus guy who did that...

And Tyler Baker... I agree with you, I think