[ToTheLeft]

I have talked with several people around campus about Dr. Paul's presence in convo tomorrow, and I have heard several people who plan on booing him, some who even said they will yell "You Suck".

I hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, I hope those idiots are taken care of.

You might not agree with the guy (even though people would be surprised how much they agree with.), but give him some respect. There is a reason he in office, and you aren't (and probably won't be.)

[NJLibertyboy]

Agreed, and as I stated before, he is a fellow believer in Christ, so we should give him some respect based on those reasons alone.

[4everfsu]

I agree they should not boo him, just get up and walk out when he starts to speak would be more effective. Jimmy Carter is a christian also, doesn't mean I care to hear a word out of his mouth.

[jack_sparrow81]

I'm still confused as to why the school would bring in someone like this when they realize he will probably getting heckled the entire time. The whole thing is going to be a disruption. Someone needs to bust out the beach ball tomorrow.

He doesn't think 9-11 was a conspiracy but he still speaks at their events? That's like someone being pro-life but speaking at an abortion rally. The tragedy of 9-11 shouldn't even have been brought up during these debates and Paul stuck his foot in his mouth by placing blame.

[ToTheLeft]

I'm still confused as to why the school would bring in someone like this when they realize he will probably getting heckled the entire time. The whole thing is going to be a disruption. Someone needs to bust out the beach ball tomorrow.

He doesn't think 9-11 was a conspiracy but he still speaks at their events? That's like someone being pro-life but speaking at an abortion rally. The tragedy of 9-11 shouldn't even have been brought up during these debates and Paul stuck his foot in his mouth by placing blame.

Hmm, well.

He is a born again conservative who has held office and is actually respected by millions of people (believe it or not).

Just because people on this board are too busy crapping their Depends or Pampers over this "Nutjob" coming to good ol' LU, but I ask you to think about this.

Isn't one of our cute little catch phrases "Politically Incorrect since 1971"? Haven't we always been a place that houses different opinions and different people. Dr. Paul is an educated man, folks. This isn't a guy who crawled out from his box on the side of the road and decided to run for office. He is a thinker, and an individual. I never thought he had a chance at getting the nod for the GOP ticket, and I was turned off by his followers, but I can't let a man who is so educated and has so many things right get disrespected like he is, and will be, by people at LU.

People booed Jerry, calling him a nutjob and an idiot, a bigot and a ignoramus. But we all love the man, he is the figure head and basis for everything we are building off of at LU. I am not saying Dr. Paul is the same as the late Dr. Falwell, but I am saying we should give him our respect, in the same way we would want someone else to respect someone coming from our institution going into "unfriendly" territory.

It's the least we can do, show the man some respect.

[thepostman]

I would just like to point this out

Falwell said this is the fourth candidate to accept an invitation to speak at Liberty. (All presidential candidates have been invited).

I think this is a great thing...I came to Liberty because its a Christian university...but I also came here knowing that it would be the kind of Christian university that is true to the Bible AND willing to educate me on other beliefs...this does that...

If people boo tomorrow, I will be very ashamed of this college...I have often stuck up for the student body in other debates, but I am slowly starting to lose confidence in them....Thank God our leadership is nothing like some of the students here....Bob Jones is down the road...I am sure Ron Paul would never go there...give your money and send your kids there or any other college for that matter if you think this is so wrong....

this is just so incredibly stupid...this whole reaction people are having....

[NJLibertyboy]

OMG, HE SAYS THE TERRORISTS ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11. However, he thinks our foreign policy contributes to our hatred around the world. I have addressed this in earlier posts, but obviously some of you don't want to read those and just bash the guy.

The 9/11 Commission, the CIA and other intelligence officials agree with him. This is getting ridiculous. Make sure you know what you are talking about before you bash the guy.

I think many of the people who boo tomorrow are a disgrace, not because they honestly just disagree with the guy. It's because they don't want to. It is easier to throw stones than it is to actually do research and see where he stands. It's a real shame.

I agree with the earlier posts that ask for respect. We should treat others how we would like to be treated. If a Christian cannot walk into a house with other Christians and just be heard, then where can the man go?

[Sly Fox]

If Jesse Jackson & Ted Kennedy can come speak at Chapel/Convo, I don't see anything wrong with Paul speaking. If kids do stupid things such as were mentioned, it puts us on the same level as the New School after McCain came here last year. Whether you agree or not, show some maturity.

[El Scorcho]

I'm not here to argue about politics one way or the other (really), but I just can't leave this thread without voicing my opinion about student behavior at Convocation tomorrow.

The Chancellor has made it quite clear that he and the University would appreciate everyone being courteous and respectful in Convocation tomorrow. He specifically mentioned on Wednesday how his dad was boo'ed, heckled and put down at universities around the country in the 80's as an example of what not to do. Liberty has benefited from the political involvement of our founder in that we've been able to get people from high places (and both sides of the aisle) to speak here. If the student body can't find it in themselves to behave in the way that the Chancellor requested, I fear that the only point that will be made is that LU is not what it once was.

If you're not familiar with the history of the university and how we welcome our guests (even when we disagree with them), I ask you to look back to 1983: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeche ... erance.htm

Dr. Paul is a United States Congressman and has been for 19 years. He's an accomplished OB-GYN and a veteran. Even if you absolutely hate his guts, you can choose to show that Liberty is a different kind of place than the places that felt the same way about our founder. I'm not asking for anyone to agree with him, I'm just begging for people not to embarrass the school. There's a reason the Chancellor made his plea on Wednesday.

[NJLibertyboy]

Agreed.

[PeterParker]

nah nahny poopoo

if that makes any sense

Actually you were half correct in your assumption of Christians opposing the rise of the Nazi regime. There was a small contingent (about a third of the Protestant Leaders)--a very small contingent of Christians referred to as Bonhoeffer's Confessing Church--who stood up against the majority of other Christians from the Evangelical Church of Germany.


They were harassed and spied on by the Gestapo and ostracized by the mainline Christians. So while there were a small minority of Christians who stood against the Nazi regime, the majority drank the propagda advocated by the regime either as a result of apathy (after all non-Jewish German citizens weren't having their civil liberties overrun) or because it was to their advantage to fall in line with the government.


Here are a couple of interesting pieces that I read earlier today:

1. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/48082 By Chuck Baldwin, LU Graduate, original organizer/leader within the Moral Majority...worked closely with the Doc.

If the reader has not already done so, I again urge you to read the book, Hitler's Cross, which was written by Erwin Lutzer and published by Moody Press. This book should be "required reading" for every pastor and Christian layman in America. In his book, Lutzer focuses on the attitudes and actions of Germany's pastors and churches during the rise and reign of the Third Reich. It is a masterpiece.

For those of us living in a country and time far removed from Hitler's Germany, it is hard to comprehend how that nation's Christians--and especially its ministers--could have been so thoroughly taken in by old Adolf. We assume such an event could never happen again--especially to us. However, to any honest observer of history, the conditions of the Church in America today are eerily similar to those of the Church in Nazi Germany.

For one thing, as did the Church in Nazi Germany, the Church in America has become infatuated with Big Government.

2. http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=980

With Hitler's ascent to power at the end of January 1933, Bonhoeffer's church entered the most difficult phase in its history. Since its inception, the German Evangelical Church (the main Protestant church in Germany) had been shaped by nationalism and obedience to state authority. Influenced by these traditions, and relieved that a strong new leader had emerged from the chaos of the Weimar years, many Protestants welcomed the rise of Nazism.

3. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=666026

He started his evangelical movement around this time that strove to deal with correct doctrine for the Church. Nazi propaganda claiming that they were bringing moral and spiritual renewal to Germany (and ultimately Europe and beyond) did not penetrate Dietrich Bonhoeffer's true discernment of this movement as it did for so much of the world's Christians having "itching ears."

****In fact a book out by two LU affiliated individuals, Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson (lauded on here in several threads by many old hag alumni) came out with a book in 1999 or so that deals with the politicizing of the church:

http://www.amazon.com/Blinded-Might-Cal ... 0310226503

Two "insiders" from the religious right explore why the Moral Majority has failed to accomplish its goals despite two decades of aggressive political maneuvering. Although the authors reveal secrets and lies, such as the fact that most of the Moral Majority's so-called "state chapters" are "little more than a separate telephone line in a pastor's office," this is not a tawdry kiss and tell book. In fact, Dobson and Thomas strongly support most of the Christian values behind the organization's political machinery. But they have come to believe that politics is too corrupt and distorted an arena for Christians to use to enact social change.


Ed Dobson, who helped draft the Moral Majority platform and served as personal assistant to Jerry Falwell, offers a particularly compelling chapter in which he compares the U.S. to Northern Ireland, where Dobson grew up as a Protestant. "We have politicized the gospel with our agendas," he writes. "To be part of the Christian right is to be part of the Republican party. For some, this means to be a real Christian, you must be a Republican. That is heresy and is only a short distance from the extremism of my Irish counterparts."

Happy Reading...(oh, wait, that's used as an undermining insult in these here parts. )

[PeterParker]

I wonder why Iran started the negotiation before the election in 1980, maybe because they knew if they didn't, Reagen would have kicked their asses if elected. If you don't think Reagen election didn't have anything to do with the hostages being released, keep on dreaming of Ron Paul being the next president. You obviously didn't live during this period of US history. Carter trried to make America into the weak country at that time, he tried to make Americans being ashamed of being an American. Reagen reversed that. If I am not mistaken the hostages were released a couple of hours after Reagen was sworn in. So keep on smoking whatever you have.
BTW the US and Iran was negotiating probably from the start of the hostage situation.

Just some food for thought to consider for those who consider themselves Ronald Reagan republicans:

While the rest of GOP was leaning elsewhere for their candidate, Ron Paul led the Texas Delegation to nominate Ronald Reagan for president in 1976...way before the GOP became infatuated Reagan (they chose Ford.)


Reagan stumped for Barry Goldwater (big time limited government ideal) in a famous 1964 speech. Goldwater Jr., an advocate of his father's limited government platform, has endorsed Paul.


Also for all those voting for McCain, a classic John quote when referring to Ron Paul: “You’re working for the most honest man in Congress.”~As told to Kent Snyder, Phoenix, AZ, 1988.


It is also telling for all those conservatives who say they are for school choice and strong advocates for homeschooling (free market choice), yet dismiss Paul who is the strongest proponent of those who choose to educate their offspring at home. So, it does humor me that some of these folks are the same who villify him and charge that he isn't a conservative. To invoke a paraphrase of Reagan, "I did not leave the [Republican Party], the [Republican Party] left me."


While I don't expect anything any of the favorable factoids to sway those bent with animosity toward Paul, at least it's out there so that those who continue to vote for Big Government Republicans won't be able to complain as the federal governement becomes increasingly more centralized and powerful and as Joe American's wallet starts to suffer due to years of poor economic policies (under a conservative President) with many more years of poor economic policies to continue (if a democrat or another Big Government Republican wins.)


Oh, be sure to check out the latest Apple product deals when you go to spend your Chinese subsidized tax rebate checks.


All that being said, I echo the comments from others here in that I'm hoping that my alma mater represents itself with decorum and class tomorrow.

[Sly Fox]

Stay classy today, guys.

[LUconn]

When you guys get out of convo, let us know how it went. I'm curious.

[ToTheLeft]

Went very well. No disrespect at all, and all of his supporters were loud but not overly annoying.

He was very well spoken, but kinda lost us at the end.

Overall, it was good, and a lot of the people around me were in impressed.

[LUconn]

I figured that would happen. He's got some good ideas. And if you listen to him instead of others opinions of him he's an impressive guy. He seems to resonate with college aged kids.

[ToTheLeft]

The main thing that stuck out with people is that he began his speech talking about how he is pro-life, disgusted by abortion, and believes in freedom in all aspects of life, which includes "pre-born" life.

[thepostman]

I was happy with the students, and I think that most people could see that this man is not "crazy"....it was a very good speech....I enjoyed every minute of it...

[TDDance234]

I enjoyed it--didn't always agree--but was a very solid speech from a very passionate guy.

[DeathCab4LU]

I was very happy with how the majority of fellow students in my section reacted and were respectful of Dr. Paul. There were the occasional students who went in brainwashed my the media saying he is a nutjob and not taking the time to listen to his own words from his own mouth....but overall it was a great convo and a great msg.........

[NJLibertyboy]

Agreed. Great speech and I was impressed by the maturity of everyone involved.

[Knucklehead]

http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0208/494607.html

[LUconn]

But, it was his position on the Iraq war: a feeling that troops should come home now -- that drew the loudest applause.

is that true? That's somewhat surprising.

[ToTheLeft]

But, it was his position on the Iraq war: a feeling that troops should come home now -- that drew the loudest applause.

is that true? That's somewhat surprising.

That and his pro-life point were the two biggest responses.

[4everfsu]

Then Obama and Hillary would get the same response from LU student body for bringing home our troops if invited on campus. Also sad when we invited Kennedy to speak there as far as I am concern, he is nothing but a murderer. If it had been anyone else involved in that incident, they would be in jail.