[SuperJon]

Smoothie, part of my job is to have a basic understanding of building codes, construction principles, and things like that. I'm not as experienced as someone like my dad, but I'm experienced enough to know that things like what has been going on in that is going to take much more than two weeks to get fixed properly and is going to be very expensive. One of the things that appraisers can do is generate a "Cost to Cure" to figure out just how bad things like this are and how much it would cost to fix it. Granted, I'm not working on this job, but it is in the scope of work that I do for a living.

[bigsmooth]

a know a lot of alumni have the attitude that they had it much worse when they were college...4 in a room...and all that...and its true, that does suck, but don't you want to see Liberty's campus become the best that it can be???

postie...what is this??? all any older alumni have said is that we had four to a room and maybe they have some sentimental thoughts about those dorms, but we all want the school to look better and things have changed dramatically over the years, but again, we have to trust the administration in their plans for the circle, and im sure it will end up looking better. as one person told me that is close to Jr. is that he is a visual guy and has a deep desire to have the campus looking great all the time, and i think we can see that it is on it's way.

[El Scorcho]

Kids and parents don't sound too happy, and quite frankly, I don't blame them:

Mark Hine, vice president for student affairs, said the room is the same size as other dorms but houses a server and information technology equipment.

“So there’s an IT tower that takes up part of the room,” Hine said. Students have been placed three to a room, he said, just like in their regular dorms.

Low said the room has no air conditioning and was not properly cleaned. He didn’t feel comfortable sleeping on a mattress that the school provided, so he bought an air mattress instead.

http://newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellit ... 8263&path=

The rooms with the "IT tower" (which is actually an equipment rack) used to be the hall lounges. So, when we installed them, they weren't in the way of anyone. Then someone decided to convert the lounges into rooms. Now someone has to live with them.

[thepostman]

shut up SJ...we all know you don't know what you're talking about!!!!




(that was a joke by the way....)

[SuperJon]

Kids and parents don't sound too happy, and quite frankly, I don't blame them:

Mark Hine, vice president for student affairs, said the room is the same size as other dorms but houses a server and information technology equipment.

“So there’s an IT tower that takes up part of the room,” Hine said. Students have been placed three to a room, he said, just like in their regular dorms.

Low said the room has no air conditioning and was not properly cleaned. He didn’t feel comfortable sleeping on a mattress that the school provided, so he bought an air mattress instead.

http://newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellit ... 8263&path=

The rooms with the "IT tower" (which is actually an equipment rack) used to be the hall lounges. So, when we installed them, they weren't in the way of anyone. Then someone decided to convert the lounges into rooms. Now someone has to live with them.

How much heat do those things put out? I can understand the complaint if they have no AC and those things put out a lot of heat.

[thepostman]

Kids and parents don't sound too happy, and quite frankly, I don't blame them:

Mark Hine, vice president for student affairs, said the room is the same size as other dorms but houses a server and information technology equipment.

“So there’s an IT tower that takes up part of the room,” Hine said. Students have been placed three to a room, he said, just like in their regular dorms.

Low said the room has no air conditioning and was not properly cleaned. He didn’t feel comfortable sleeping on a mattress that the school provided, so he bought an air mattress instead.

http://newsadvance.com/servlet/Satellit ... 8263&path=

The rooms with the "IT tower" (which is actually an equipment rack) used to be the hall lounges. So, when we installed them, they weren't in the way of anyone. Then someone decided to convert the lounges into rooms. Now someone has to live with them.

I am confused about the no A/C thing...because I lived next door to the guys that lived in the room with the equipment rack and it had an A/C unit....

[El Scorcho]

Oh, and get ready for all the fun comments on that N&A article by the end of the day. The locals will eat that stuff up.

[bigsmooth]

SJ, i understand the scope of your job. i have many friends that do the same stuff, but no one here is a engineer and when you come off as all knowing it makes no sense. im not slamming you brother because i know what you do, but let's jsut let this one go.

[thepostman]

once again, i think people are just giving opinions...I don't think any of us are trying to come off as "experts"...just students/former students that just want the campus to improve...there is really no reason to "shut it"....we all have opinions...this is a message board about liberty...as long as we aren't trashing people in the process, I don't see why this is an issue

[El Scorcho]

I don't see the problem based on the N&A article. Other than Tim Low thinking he should be treated like royalty on a few hours notice.

[thepostman]

I don't see the problem based on the N&A article. Other than Tim Low thinking he should be treated like royalty on a few hours notice.

yeah...that kid was ridiculous...I understand being upset...but there is no reason to be a little girl about it

[SuperJon]

I can agree with the hotel thing to an extent, however, I can understand why they were put in dorms. When the East dorms weren't ready, or when one of them flooded, they put the kids in a hotel instead of throwing them in other rooms. Moving in with new kids halfway through the semester is about as inconvenient as you can think of. By this time in the semester, you've gotten used to the sleeping and study habits of your roommates, etc, and now things are completely changed. I know that the two people I know that have been moved have seem twice as tired the past day or two as they normally do, and I think it's directly related to having to adjust to living with new people, etc.

[El Scorcho]

It just seems to me that they did they fastest thing they could do given the notice they had. It also sounds like there are still a lot of options on the table based on the Chancellor's comments in the article.

I do hope someone gets Tim Low a mattress without a pea underneath it, though.

[SuperJon]

I agree. I don't agree with Mark Hine that moving again would be bad. If you gave the guys a day or two to move into the hotel, and also gave them a day or so notice on when they were able to move, it wouldn't be inconvenient. Making them move when kids are out of town, etc, is what is inconvenient, but it had to happen.


A couple things from the guys in 7 on Facebook:

what sort of compensation will we be receiving? I am probably going to fail a class because of the reveiw that I missed and I did miss classes that I paid for. I highly doublt that this is something that just happened. I am sure that there had to have been signs that the dorm was not in the best condition.

So...they tell us that we have to get out NOW so that they can start immediately fixing it..it is now two days later and no one has been spotted with as much as a hammer. So did they tell us the truth about y we had to get out? Or were they just trying to make it sound better all the while knowing that they had to get us out because the inspectors said that it was completely unsafe.

one more question... why is it that they told us 2 weeks, but they told the people we were staying with that it would be at least a month?...sounds like a little inconsistency to me...

Im not complaining, but if it truly was going to only be 2 weeks...dont you think that they would have put us up in hotels like they did the east campus kids when there dorm flooded?

on top of all that how can being stuck in a dorm with a staff infection break out be any more safe than living in dorm 7...?

I find it rather amusing how they play down the seriousness of this incident, yet still demand us to be completely out in 7 hours.

If anything I'm disappointed, having lived on this hall for over a year, we knew that this place was falling apart. Cracks were visual in almost all the walls, yet nothing was done over Christmas or summer. Now, we have to drop everything we had planned, miss classes, and postpone homework due to this! like I said, I'm disappointed!

Anyone else think they aren't being completely honest with us? The foundation is messed up and it's only gonna take two weeks? hahaha

[LUconn]

My senior year was in the "lounge" with the IT tower. It was not hot. I even had my bed right next to it so my head spent a good 5 or 6 hours 2 feet away from it. I did not get hot. I did probably get some sort of electrical radiation pulsating through my brain for a year, but that'll be determined later in life. But anyway, that kid is a baby.

[SuperJon]

That's what I wanted to know. That kid should just shutup now about the IT stuff.

[El Scorcho]

The guys on Facebook sound like they've taken up the grandest tradition of LU students: The Conspiracy Theory.

I've always wondered who students think they're talking about when they say "they"? They should replace "they" with "the Chancellor".

[SuperJon]

I do know that the kids who moved out were told two weeks, and the kids they moved in with were told probably a month or more. Those kids were told by their RA's and RD's. I don't know who told the RA/RD though.

[LUconn]

I'm sure you have people esimating who have no business estimating. But they need to give them some kind of time frame. From what was on the news last night, they're goign to put some temporary braces on it within the next couple of weeks to make it inhabitable. Then they'll do the permanant repairs over christmas break.

[El Scorcho]

I do know that the kids who moved out were told two weeks, and the kids they moved in with were told probably a month or more. Those kids were told by their RA's and RD's. I don't know who told the RA/RD though.

It sounds to me like they're just getting a handle on the situation and gave best estimates to two different groups of people at two different times. Either that or they prepared some for the worst and others for the best.

I'm laughing at the guy who's going to fail a class after missing last Friday, though. Especially since all of the profs were notified of the situation. I mean, I get that it might have been an important day, but under the circumstances I'm sure someone would be willing to work with him on it. What kind of class do you fail for missing a day?

Listen, I'm sympathetic to these kids. I was moved out of Dorm 7 for two weeks in the Spring of '98 for a sewer pipe backup that flooded my room. (The room between the bathroom and the RD apartment, for anyone who wants to know. There's a closet between the bathroom and room 113. When the drains in the bathroom backed up, it flooded under the door and into our room.) I had a really expensive guitar amp, a computer, etc. all sitting in standing water when I woke up. I swung my feet out of bed into sewer water that morning. It was gross. It was inconvenient. It was completely unsanitary. In the end, it was no big deal. I didn't fail any classes, they didn't move us in until it was fixed and they offered to pay for anything that was ruined. I just don't understand how we end up with such drama queens for students.

[mrmacphisto]

How is that an obvious oversight? I'm no engineer, but those hill dorms are going to fall like dominos in the next two months, mark my words.

It's a moot point, though, because in that two months the polar ice caps will have completely melted and the entire state of Virginia will be underwater.

[Cider Jim]

I do hope someone gets Tim Low a mattress without a pea underneath it, though

I fun Boy Scout prank used to be letting the air out of people's matresses while they were sleeping.

[TDDance234]

I do know that the kids who moved out were told two weeks, and the kids they moved in with were told probably a month or more. Those kids were told by their RA's and RD's. I don't know who told the RA/RD though.

Everyone has been told the same thing... the original estimate by the engineers were 10-14 days.

[Knucklehead]

We're hearing there is some kind of protest from Dorm 7 evacuees tonight. Anyone heard that???

[Sly Fox]

Are those Facebook whiners serious? I've got two words for them ... Grow Up. Life is going to drop adversity in your laps on a regular basis. That's how we grow stronger. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that kids will act like kids. But those comments are embarassing for them.