[From the class of 09]

Really?

I am sorry, did you think the Federal Reserve was actually a part of our government? You didn't know it is a private bank that controls our nation's money supply? Ron Paul's "End The Fed" is only the tip of the iceberg. Have you never researched the creation of the FED? Never heard the names Schiff, Warburg, Morgan, Rockefeller, and Rothschild in the same sentence? Ever wondered where the income tax came from, why we have it, and how it relates to the FED?

Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

While not technically part of the government I wouldn't call an entity where 99% of the profits go to the US Treasury and the majority of its voting Board are appointed by the US President a private bank. While you are technically correct that the FED is owned by its member banks in function the FED is a part of the executive branch of our government. Not sure what your point was but don't concern yourself with details.

[logic]

Darned Jews!
I know the FED isn't a branch of the Government but also not all the Founding Fathers were opposed to a Federal Reserve. None of which has anything to do with whether or not the FiscalCliff deal is good news

Hamilton was a poor excuse for a founding father. Do some research into Jefferson and Madison debating Hamilton over the creation of a central bank and taxation. Will be an eye opener for you Haize. Hamilton was a big government liberal in a time of libertarian ideals.

[LUconn]

Let's assume all the founders we disagree with are sinister.

[Purple Haize]

Let's assume all the founders we disagree with are sinister.

Considering what they accomishes I'm not sure ANY of them would be a 'poor excuse' for anything!

[jbock13]

Hamilton wasn't a liberal. Yes his views on the interstate commerce clause were wrong in my opinion, and the founders rejected it. But he is hardly liberal compared to anything the Democrat Party represents today. Yes, Hamilton did get a few things wrong in my opinion. But the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

[logic]

Hamilton wasn't a liberal. Yes his views on the interstate commerce clause were wrong in my opinion, and the founders rejected it. But he is hardly liberal compared to anything the Democrat Party represents today. Yes, Hamilton did get a few things wrong in my opinion. But the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

He argued for the creation of a central bank, thus no defense of him is possible. Also you completely missed my point. I said Hamilton was a big government type back then - obviously not comparing him to today. He was pro big government for the time.

[Purple Haize]

He argued for the creation of a central bank, thus no defense of him is possible.

He risked life and treasure to help revolt against the greatest power in the world. He had the courage and conviction to help lay the framework for this country. He, along with the others, participated in a game of give and take keeping in mind the huge undertaking they embarked upon.
Wrote a vast majority of the Federalist papers
Helped get his rival Jefferson elected because he thought Burr was a twit
George Washington trusted him. Of course GW also trusted Benedict Arnold so....
Driving force in having friendly trade relations with Britain
Had an extra marital affair and resigned when it came to light. Would make him a Republican today!

Yeah, he is totally indefensible.

[From the class of 09]

Also you completely missed my point. I said Hamilton was a big government type back then

Wait your whole point was that "Hamilton was a big government type back then"?

[Purple Haize]

Also you completely missed my point. I said Hamilton was a big government type back then

Wait your whole point was that "Hamilton was a big government type back then"?

No. He just moved the goal post. I thought his point was he was a poor excuse for a Founding Father.

[jbock13]

Hamilton wasn't a liberal. Yes his views on the interstate commerce clause were wrong in my opinion, and the founders rejected it. But he is hardly liberal compared to anything the Democrat Party represents today. Yes, Hamilton did get a few things wrong in my opinion. But the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

He argued for the creation of a central bank, thus no defense of him is possible. Also you completely missed my point. I said Hamilton was a big government type back then - obviously not comparing him to today. He was pro big government for the time.

So what's your point? A person can be wrong on one issue, and still be respected for other things. But not you. Anyone who favored a central bank cannot possibly be forgiven. Some 'logic' that is.

[jbock13]

Also you completely missed my point. I said Hamilton was a big government type back then

Wait your whole point was that "Hamilton was a big government type back then"?

No. He just moved the goal post. I thought his point was he was a poor excuse for a Founding Father.

Exactly.

[BJWilliams]

He backtracks faster than a DB in pass coverage

[jbock13]

Hamilton was a big government liberal in a time of libertarian ideals.

Hamilton wasn't a liberal. Yes his views on the interstate commerce clause were wrong in my opinion, and the founders rejected it. But he is hardly liberal compared to anything the Democrat Party represents today. Yes, Hamilton did get a few things wrong in my opinion. But the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

He argued for the creation of a central bank, thus no defense of him is possible. Also you completely missed my point. I said Hamilton was a big government type back then - obviously not comparing him to today. He was pro big government for the time.

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[logic]

Not sure where the confusion is. For the time he was pro big government, big-time. He was a liberal of the day though the term didn't exist. Look at what the FED had done to the value of the dollar since 1913. Thank God we didnt get a permanent central bank any sooner. Shame on Hamilton, a pawn of Rothschild and nothing better.


“A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing... The wisdom of the Government will be shown in never trusting itself with the use of so seducing and dangerous an expedient as issuing its own money.”


Who said this? Hamilton. Awful.

[Purple Haize]

So if Hamilton was a mere pawn of the Rothchilds, and Geeorge Washington was a fan of Hamilton and Jefferson became President because of a decision Hamilton made......OMG! We've uncovered the Jewish Conspiracy! America is nothing more then an extension of Zionism! Eeeeeeeeeekkkk!

[logic]

I follow a George H. Smith brand of Libertarianism, and if you know Smith he greatly dislikes Hamilton. I tend to agree with Smith as Hamilton advocated heavily for a strong federal government and of course the bank. But hey, if you think the FED is a good thing, go right ahead and keep arguing in support for Hanilton. You won't convince any Libertarians.

[Purple Haize]

I follow a George H. Smith brand of Libertarianism, and if you know Smith he greatly dislikes Hamilton. I tend to agree with Smith as Hamilton advocated heavily for a strong federal government and of course the bank. But hey, if you think the FED is a good thing, go right ahead and keep arguing in support for Hanilton. You won't convince any Libertarians.

You are mixing the 2 repeatedly. You are the one who called him a poor excuse for a Founding Father. You are the one who called him nothing more then a pawn of the Rothchilds and by default so is/was anyone who agrees with him. It is possible to think Hamilton was a great man and disagree with his view on the Fed just as it is possible to think Jefferson was a great man despite the fact he owned slaves and died broke.

[jbock13]

I tend to like Ron Paul and Wayne Allyn Root. Jason Lewis is great too. But then again I'm not a believer in Jewish global conspiracies either...

[logic]

Hating on Jefferson for owning slaves is much different than Hamilton for his views on the FED. One was a widely accepted practice that was expected and commonplace for landowners of the time. The other was advocated by a small minority, and was exactly the type of "government" structure the revolution was fought to free us from. The two are not even remotely similar.

There is no good argument for a central bank. None. That is, unless you're a part of the system and you're making money from its creation.


Ron Paul + Root = hugely anti FED.

Read "End The FED" by Paul and "Conscience of a Libertarian" by Root for starters. There is no global Jewish conspiracy, just a global banking system who's owners wield tremendous power and influence. It was Mayer Rothschild who originally said of nations - "I care not who makes the laws as long as I control the money supply"

[Purple Haize]

Central Governments were also a widely accepted practice.
Central Banks were widely accepted practice at the time.
There were more then a small minority in favor of it, which is irrelevant because a lot of the FF were for Slavery. So that's not a good argument to besmirch some one like Hamilton.

[jbock13]

Arguing with you isn't even fun anymore... I'm sure bilderberg was behind it. How do I know? I typed bilderberg on my iPhone and it autocorrected it to the Fed...

[Purple Haize]

Arguing with you isn't even fun anymore...

Are you saying its no longer like an intimate conversation?

[jbock13]

Arguing with you isn't even fun anymore...

Are you saying its no longer like an intimate conversation?

Haha. Classic.

[logic]

Arguing with you isn't even fun anymore...

Use your brain and understand what you're arguing for/against. The FED, more so than any other decision, was the absolute worst with regards to the future of this country. Understand it is evil, period.

This is just one example -




Also...look at inflation when we went off the gold standard. Insane. Guess who controls the price of gold? If you said Rothschild, you guessed it.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_fixing


Can you believe this country once banned the onwership of gold? Insane. Add FDR to the list of awful, awful people that have influenced monetary policy in this country.

[jbock13]

Dude, I never said I liked the Fed or thought it was constitutional. lolz. Obviously governments use notes instead of metals so they can inflate and print money. I know this. You're preaching to the choir my friend.