[Purple Haize]

Is Staver really a 7th Day Adventist? I mean I read his bio and all... I'm not sure how he's lacking in any way compared to the rest of our faculty.

Yes. My experience with 7th day Adventists in South America really concerns me about what they claim to believe.

And people were upset we had a Mormon speak on campus.

[4everfsu]

I be more concerned the dean of the Law School who says Jesus Christ is, then his denomination.
I know some catholics who are born again and never left that church, continuing to do mission work there. And others who did leave the church.

[jbock13]

Catholics and 7th day Adventists are a whole different ball game. I don't mind Catholics although I disagree with them, but when 7th day Adventists start screaming, spraying pepper spray, and damning you to hell for "lies", yeah, I got issues with that.

For all I know, I'm sure in North Anerica they don't do that. All that I can speak to is what they did when I did mission work throughout South Anerica.

7'th day Adventists believe in the Sabbath, and reject the existence of hell. They believe in annilhation for those who are not saved (no enteral lake of fire)

[jmdickens]

Is Staver really a 7th Day Adventist? I mean I read his bio and all... I'm not sure how he's lacking in any way compared to the rest of our faculty.

I personally don't know his personal faith. you can always say one thing to one crowd, and do another in private. He was a 7th Day Adventist pastor, but maybe Christ changed him.

The comparison to the rest of the faculty wasn't directed at him, but the person he promoted to the position of academic dean. He likes people who are "yes men" above all else.

[rogers3]

He likes people who are "yes men" above all else.

"Yes men" have historically created problems for the school over the years... then SACS shows up and the school has to hire someone to clean up the mess.

Interesting. nothing was mentioned about that to my office (and we have done quite a few stories out of the school of engineering and so my partner in the office here has some good contacts over there and could probably find something out)

By the way- does BJWilliams work in the (dis)Information Office these days? I simply referenced the latest faculty listing for the School of Engineering. It has a guy named Donahoo listed as Interim Dean.

[TDDance234]

....and they are crushing performance metrics. It seems like an outstanding group to me.

/endthread.

[jmdickens]

....and they are crushing performance metrics. It seems like an outstanding group to me.

/endthread.

That statement isn't true. Look at the bar exam results.....just saying

[ATrain]

....and they are crushing performance metrics. It seems like an outstanding group to me.

/endthread.

That statement isn't true. Look at the bar exam results.....just saying

I wouldn't classify Matt Staver as young

[JK37]

There is something to be said for a leader needing the experience of climbing the proverbial ladder within a profession in order to properly understand the perspective of their subordinates. Theoretically speaking, handing the leadership of a business over to someone who has never served in low- or middle-management is dangerous. That lack of perspective and understanding can lead to a devaluation of the human resource at all levels.

Liberty is not a business. As an educational institution, it is a non-profit and a member of a service industry. But does the principle apply?

[rogers3]

....and they are crushing performance metrics. It seems like an outstanding group to me.

/endthread.

... so do you have any insight as to what happened to Sones or how Scott Hicks is such a step up in leadership over Dr. Bell? Nothing wrong with asking questions and no need to stop the discussion because it steps on people's toes.

[Purple Haize]

BIG Dr Bell fan

[El Scorcho]

....and they are crushing performance metrics. It seems like an outstanding group to me.

/endthread.

No.

Only focusing on things like performance metrics (which are only as good as the managers who design them in the first place anyway), means that everything becomes susceptible to an "ends justifies the means" attitude.

[JLFJR]

He likes people who are "yes men" above all else.

"Yes men" have historically created problems for the school over the years... then SACS shows up and the school has to hire someone to clean up the mess.

Sorry guys but most of the comments in this thread are based in pure fantasy. I won't elaborate but, if any of you are interested in the truth, send me a PM and I'll get you some facts.

[BJWilliams]

Now how in the (expletive) did any of that get attributed to me?!?

[jmdickens]

He likes people who are "yes men" above all else.

"Yes men" have historically created problems for the school over the years... then SACS shows up and the school has to hire someone to clean up the mess.

Sorry guys but most of the comments in this thread are based in pure fantasy. I won't elaborate but, if any of you are interested in the truth, send me a PM and I'll get you some facts.

My comment is abt the dean of the law school. Nothing in my comments are short of factual. I don't know anything about the rest of the university, hence no comments about the rest of the staff by me.

[Hold My Own]

Now how in the (expletive) did any of that get attributed to me?!?

You know that your post is in response to the Chancellor of the university you work for right? Just making sure...

[BJWilliams]

I actually was responding to Rogers HMO because somehow in his post my name was mentioned and considering what he is quoting, Im pretty sure I never said any of that

[rogers3]

I actually was responding to Rogers HMO because somehow in his post my name was mentioned and considering what he is quoting, Im pretty sure I never said any of that

Looks like some posts have issues with their quotes. It seems like it is easy to incorrectly attribute quotes if you are not careful.

[BJWilliams]

[JLFJR]

BJ,
I don't know how or why my statement was attributed to you. I was trying to cut off the quote after Rogers but before your quote that followed but apparently didn't do it correctly. Sorry about that.

[BJWilliams]

BJ,
I don't know how or why my statement was attributed to you. I was trying to cut off the quote after Rogers but before your quote that followed but apparently didn't do it correctly. Sorry about that.

It happens. I think it was supposed to be attributed to this:

Interesting. nothing was mentioned about that to my office (and we have done quite a few stories out of the school of engineering and so my partner in the office here has some good contacts over there and could probably find something out)

which came out of the discussion about some changes in a couple departments that no one in my office was made aware of and to which rogers said:

By the way- does BJWilliams work in the (dis)Information Office these days? I simply referenced the latest faculty listing for the School of Engineering. It has a guy named Donahoo listed as Interim Dean.

[rogers3]

BJ,
I don't know how or why my statement was attributed to you. I was trying to cut off the quote after Rogers but before your quote that followed but apparently didn't do it correctly. Sorry about that.

I laughed when BJ got associated with my comment. That's what he gets when he passes on PM's to other folks! Meanwhile, I'll have to stick with my thoughts about Mr. Godwin.... I've had enough friends who who worked for or with him and love him or hate him, they have all felt the same way. I have no doubt that he has a tremendous business mind.

[logic]

The question is this -

How to establish a culture where differing ideas can be openly shared, and strong objections can be candidly expressed, without the fear of being removed from ones position? The fear of removal and the motivation for advancement creates a yes culture. A yes culture as we all know stifles creativity and leads to intellectual inertia. In a perfect world an employee should be able to voice repeated, strong, opposition, expressed in a spirit of academic and athletic excellence, without the fear of retaliation.

Do we have that here at Liberty?

What is the goal of the organization?

Train Champions for Christ

So long as an employee is on board with that mission, he/she should be able to voice repeated opposition, based on sound logic and reason, that relates back to the furthering and excellence of the mission, without the fear of removal, retaliation, or loss of advancement opportunities. It is tough to create that culture when imperfect humans are involved, and decisions are sometimes made based on emotion and without logic.

[Purple Haize]

You live in such a perfect world. I love seeing Skittle rainbows and unicorns in the morning.

[logic]

If I am in a position of leadership, the end decision will be mine and mine onlone, but I would want people to challenge and question me every step of the way. For every single decision I would make, I better have a darn good reason as to why I am making that decision, and having multiple people play devils advocate with me only strengthens the decision making process. Attack it from all angles. Defend the thesis. Attack again. This is the academic spirit, is it not? I would not only want those challenges to occur, I would praise those who challenge me, and reward those who challenge me to be better. Two of the benchmarks of true leadership is surrounding yourself with people smarter than you and training up leaders around you.

We see the same thing in athletics. A great head coach does his/her best to surround themselves with a staff of brilliant assistant coaches, and the best head coaches train up their assistants to one day be head coaches themselves. A staff of yes sir assistant coaches rarely breeds a championship program, and those assistants make poor head coaches.


"Because I said so" is never an acceptable answer for a leader. It does little to inspire the followers and is a poor teacher of the masses. You should always question Bruce Dickinson.