[thepostman]

Spring break is one thing...tons and tons of kids do stupid things

Why should that be different though? It's the same for any weekend a lot of kids go home, summer break, or winter break. The most discouraging thing for me is all of these kids who claim to be these great Christians and are so holy, and some that are influences to me as a Christian, go away from Liberty for more than two days and fall right back into the things they did before they got here.

well, spring break it is taken to a whole different level...and its not even really planned...a lot of kids go to these hotels on beaches and are around drinking and such and don't know how to handle it...the percentage goes way way way up during spring break as far as drinking and partying goes...I was say almost half....that could be a little big...but its the truth

then they get back here....feel bad about it and don't do again until next spring break

[SuperJon]

oh yeah that 10 to 15 percent number is probably right on SJ....and it is a large amount...whats crazy is the large amount that doesn't get caught....it always seems the ones that do get caught its either they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and weren't really doing anything or it was like a one time deal...the ones that do it all the time never seem to get caught

Its easy to avoid though really...if you want it, its there....if you don't...well you can avoid it...one of the good things about Liberty which is why I am not at UCF right now where its there in your face all the time....

I agree. It's why I left Coastal (it was all anyone ever cared about). You're completely right about people getting caught for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (my roommate who's now living back on campus).

I don't mind people getting in trouble for things that we shouldn't be doing (drinking, drugs, sex, etc). It's the little things (hair, shirts off while playing basketball) that annoys the crap out of me. We spend so much time harping on those little things that the things that should be worried about are getting passed over.

[SuperJon]

Spring break is one thing...tons and tons of kids do stupid things

Why should that be different though? It's the same for any weekend a lot of kids go home, summer break, or winter break. The most discouraging thing for me is all of these kids who claim to be these great Christians and are so holy, and some that are influences to me as a Christian, go away from Liberty for more than two days and fall right back into the things they did before they got here.

well, spring break it is taken to a whole different level...and its not even really planned...a lot of kids go to these hotels on beaches and are around drinking and such and don't know how to handle it...the percentage goes way way way up during spring break as far as drinking and partying goes...I was say almost half....that could be a little big...but its the truth

then they get back here....feel bad about it and don't do again until next spring break

How many of them are knowingly booking hotel rooms with guys and girls in the same room though? You know that it happens. I don't have a problem with it, but it's against the rules, yet none of them get in trouble for it. The stories I've heard of drinking and hooking up with people at clubs aren't the type of stories that are just "oh, it was there, I didn't know how to handle myself" situations. They're the type where the people went out, bought it for themselves, and then drank it.

[SuperJon]

Spring break is one thing...tons and tons of kids do stupid things

Why should that be different though? It's the same for any weekend a lot of kids go home, summer break, or winter break. The most discouraging thing for me is all of these kids who claim to be these great Christians and are so holy, and some that are influences to me as a Christian, go away from Liberty for more than two days and fall right back into the things they did before they got here.

Kids tend to be be a product of their surroundings

So how can we expect these kids to be "Champions for Christ" when they graduate and move into a secular world where there are no rule?

[HenryGale]

Why should that be different though? It's the same for any weekend a lot of kids go home, summer break, or winter break. The most discouraging thing for me is all of these kids who claim to be these great Christians and are so holy, and some that are influences to me as a Christian, go away from Liberty for more than two days and fall right back into the things they did before they got here.

Kids tend to be be a product of their surroundings

So how can we expect these kids to be "Champions for Christ" when they graduate and move into a secular world where there are no rule?

SJ..I agree with you, but the part to consider is I said "kids." There is a lot to be said for kids maturing and doing what is right. When you are in college, look back on your high school lives and realize how immature you may have acted, or stupid things that you may have done (I am definately speaking in generalizations here, not accusing you, or anybody else) When you graduate from college, you will look back at your college lives and say some of the same things. When kids grow up and mature, they tend to not be influenced (as much) by those that are arround them.

This applies to our Christian lives as well. People will grow and mature in their spiritual lives as they mature. Now does this excuse this behavior...absolutely not. When you are talking about the drinking/sex/drugs, there is enough biblical evidence to support why this is wrong, regardless of what age you are.

As for sending these kids out into the secular world...it is just like parenting...you can teach them, raise them as best you can, but sooner or later, they will need to live their own lives, and hopefully remember some of the things taught to them along the way.

[LUconn]

This like moving violations. Speeding is probably one of the safest violations you can make. It's really not all that dangerous. But that's what you get pulled over for because it's easiest to catch and to convict. It's hard to catch those who tailgate, run lights, blow stop signs and just generally drive recklessly so they go unchecked. But their the ones who need to be caught the most. It's just the way life is.

[SuperJon]

That's actually a really good analogy.


Honestly, and I want real opinions, what would it take to change the hair rule or this shirt rule? I know someone running for SGA is wanting to get rid of the hair rule. Is that the way to go (SGA)? What would it take? I know Facebook groups and crap like that wouldn't, but what is the right way to go about it?

[thepostman]

That's actually a really good analogy.


Honestly, and I want real opinions, what would it take to change the hair rule or this shirt rule? I know someone running for SGA is wanting to get rid of the hair rule. Is that the way to go (SGA)? What would it take? I know Facebook groups and crap like that wouldn't, but what is the right way to go about it?

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The SGA can get things done...Chris Gaumer was responsible for the change in dress code...well, not really the change because there were talks already about this...but he helped quicken the process when he became SGA president....but unless the SGA president actually has guts and can take being criticized over and over again by administration then they won't get anything done

Chris tried very hard to get the hair rule changed, but those in charge seem very stuck on it....the shirt thing I have no idea....but the hair rule is much harder to change then people think because the people in charge don't want it changed because they think the campus looks "neater' when guys have short hair..at least this is what Chris told me....

I don't have much faith in the SGA as a whole...they don't really do a whole lot and if you remember right Nathan Cooley promised the same kind of things and nothing as changed....

it takes a special person to get things changed and from what I can see the people running for SGA president aren't all that special...but you never know...I didn't really expect Chris to get things changed either

Really I don't know if there is a best way to get things changed...SGA should be that way, and depending on the leadership they very well could get things changed...who knows

[TDDance234]

It's been tried a million times by every SGA president to ever run. They have NO sway in getting those things removed. I think the only chance it happens is if Dr. Falwell feels like it's a way to get more students.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

i didnt read the last page, because the begining of it wasnt necessary. But when my dad was a student in the early 70's he had an afro when he first came in, and he got the reps and went to fight them and went to Jerry's office to do it. Had a long discussion with Jerry and when i decided to come here, told me all the stuff Jerry told him, as well as Jerry told me alot of this stuff when i met him. Jerry will agree with you, alot of the rules are dumb. However, to be an exceptional Leader, you have to be able to follow, to submit to authority. Yes it sucks to have to cut your hair. But if you cant Go 4 years without growing your hair out when that is the rule, how good of a follower are you, and in turn, how good of a leader will you be. Plus, just think of it as a sacrifice. If you cant give up long hair for four years for christ, how important is he to you. (and in that statement, i am not trying to say that long hair is unbiblical. Im simply reiterating that God has seen fit to put Jerry as well as the rest of the Leaders of this University in Charge, he has them there for a reason. If the rule is there, its still a rule, an as christians we are called to submit to authority)

[SuperJon]

We are also allowed to challenge authority as long as it is in a respectful way.

[thepostman]

yeah, thats really the problem...the people that challenge authority are doing it in a way not fit...then there are the ones like myself that don't really like it but don't really know who to go through, how to change it...or if it is even worth it....

[LUconn]

I would just like to inject the point that the SGA has absolutely no authority on anything. They have campaign promises that they can't possibly keep. Every year one promises to bring "shorts to the Merriot!". That's a board of trustees call.

[SuperJon]

I thought you could wear shorts to the Rot?


What's the point of SGA?

[JDUB]

we can wear shorts to the rot

[LUconn]

well sure, now you can but SGA didn't make that happen. They don't make anything happen. It's a resume filler for the winners of the election.

[TDDance234]

Shorts weren't allowed in the Dining Hall until about last year, I believe.

[El Scorcho]

LUConn is correct. SGA has never accomplished anything that the board + the Chancellor + EVP weren't already planning on changing. They all take credit for it when it happens during their term of office, but the bottom line is that all the rules, the good ones and the stupid ones, are made up mostly by the board. That's the explanation I can offer about the stupid rules. You have to look at the ages and backgrounds of people on the board. To them, long hair is still a symbol of counterculture movements. I know it's a "get with the times" sort of thing, but it's also a matter of respecting elders and the decisions they've made. These things will change eventually, but for now, they are what they are and I wish students wouldn't get hung up on them.

College students are always wanting to change something. They always want to protest and rise up against the man. If this were any other school, the kids would be walking out of class to protest the war in Iraq and things of that nature. Instead we get upset over the hair rules in the dress code. Maybe it's there just to give something people to complain about.

[thepostman]

Shorts weren't allowed in the Dining Hall until about last year, I believe.

yeah it was something like that....that was the dumbest rule....wow....thing have gotten better...but unless the people in charge have started thinking about changing things, things aren't going to change...SGA can get the ball rolling a little faster, thats about it

[LUconn]

LUConn is correct.

No matter how many time I read that, it never gets old.

[jmdickens]

bottom line is, the RA was simply doing his job...

DICKENS: when you worked at the student center did you appreciate when non-students/members gave you a hard time for not letting them in?

No, I didn't really care

[flameshaw]

Shorts weren't allowed in the Dining Hall until about last year, I believe.

Where did Medic eat when he was there?

[RagingTireFire]

Shorts weren't allowed in the Dining Hall until about last year, I believe.

Where did Medic eat when he was there?

[ATrain]

I wore shorts to the rot BEFORE they were allowed...and, get this, I got away with it

[PAmedic]

Shorts weren't allowed in the Dining Hall until about last year, I believe.

Where did Medic eat when he was there?

ok.

now you're on the list, too.

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