[flamesbball84]

exactly. staff don't "deserve" anything. they are being paid. students don't deserve anything either, but they have a better point than staff does.

once you start devaluing your employees is when the quality of your business begins to head toward a downward slope. unhappy employees = unhappy customers.

[flamesbball84]

Am I wrong to think this way...staff...get paid.....students...pay money...so shouldn't students get some advantages?

I think the parking situation is not nearly as bad as people think it is...especially with the david's place lot being paved....before david's place was so bad to park in especially if you're car was low to the ground

every friend i have that has gone to college has said the students pay more for parking than faculty/staff. this isn't some new phenomenon or a way LU is trying to screw the students out of more money...

[FlameNForest]

I am staff... I know that. And staff don't need to drive around any more than students do. The campus is too crowded for any of them to be driving back and forth constantly, hence the bus system. They both need to use it. And these new rules will make them.


I'm sure Jerry Jr. would be open to any brilliant ideas anyone has here, so instead of constantly whining why don't you come up with some good ideas. If you put them on here they will get to him evenutally, trust me.

personally i think this new system will work much better than the old one and don't have a problem with it. I am used to riding the busses because I lived on campus last year, but commuters are no greater than on campus people. They don't need to drive to class, they just need to get on campus. after that its busses for them too.

I see no reason why they can't have faculty and staff spots at the front of the lots like they've been. I went to school here and even though I paid, while the faculty/staff got paid, they still got better spaces because they worked here. That doesn't seem like rocket surgery.
I see no reason to put the commuter in the closer lots while putting the staff in the 'pits'. But I'm sure those making these decisions will have slightly closer spaces than that so it doesn't likely concern them too much.

[flamesbball84]

build a parking garage. you can go vertical that way and save space while also reducing walking distance. sure it's very expensive, but with LU growing the way it is, i would think space would eventually become a concern...

[FlameNForest]

build a parking garage. you can go vertical that way and save space while also reducing walking distance. sure it's very expensive, but with LU growing the way it is, i would think space would eventually become a concern...

I think that is in the future plans. Of course, there's no telling how much it'll cost to park in it or who would be allowed to park there.

[SuperJon]

I see no reason why they can't have faculty and staff spots at the front of the lots like they've been. I went to school here and even though I paid, while the faculty/staff got paid, they still got better spaces because they worked here. That doesn't seem like rocket surgery.

Faculty spots are the closest to the buildings. That means the professors, administrators, etc. Staff spots are the ones being pushed further away. Those are the jobs that don't need to be as close. They can afford to park and ride as they generally park, leave their cars for eight hours, and then leave.

[FlameNForest]

Faculty spots are the closest to the buildings. That means the professors, administrators, etc. Staff spots are the ones being pushed further away. Those are the jobs that don't need to be as close. They can afford to park and ride as they generally park, leave their cars for eight hours, and then leave.

I know the faculty have their own spots now and the staff is being pushed to the farthest lots. I was simply saying there's no reason for that. And as was stated earlier, not all staff go to one location and stay there all day until they leave. They could just as easily have swapped where they put the commuters and staff. Or they could've marked several rows for staff near the front of the lots by Religion Hall and Sodexho for staff just like in the past.

[flamesbball84]

I've never seen one single college campus where there wasnt a large number of staff members needing to be able to go to different parts of the campus for various reasons (meetings, presentations, etc.). I'd question what kind of operation the school is running if a large number of staff members only had to sit in their cubicle/office all day in order to perform their job to the best of their ability.

Some areas that come in to mind that normally involve more than just sitting in your cubicle for 8 hours a day like apparently you all think all staff members do: alumni relations, enrollment, development, deans, residence life, folks who work directly under the president, and public relations.

[Rocketfan]

J dub - i gotta know what "staff" position you hold....

[JDUB]

I've never seen one single college campus where there wasnt a large number of staff members needing to be able to go to different parts of the campus for various reasons (meetings, presentations, etc.). I'd question what kind of operation the school is running if a large number of staff members only had to sit in their cubicle/office all day in order to perform their job to the best of their ability.

Some areas that come in to mind that normally involve more than just sitting in your cubicle for 8 hours a day like apparently you all think all staff members do: alumni relations, enrollment, development, deans, residence life, folks who work directly under the president, and public relations.

the way LU is designed most of what you just mentioned is in campus north. its all inside one building. if you need to go to Demoss for something, you can ride the bus. there isn't enough parking for people to freely drive back and forth. There isn't enough parking for all of the staff or all of the commuters to park close. Nothing they can do will make everyone happy, so they have to do what is best for the school as a whole

[thepostman]

Am I wrong to think this way...staff...get paid.....students...pay money...so shouldn't students get some advantages?

I think the parking situation is not nearly as bad as people think it is...especially with the david's place lot being paved....before david's place was so bad to park in especially if you're car was low to the ground

every friend i have that has gone to college has said the students pay more for parking than faculty/staff. this isn't some new phenomenon or a way LU is trying to screw the students out of more money...

I wasn't saying that at all...

I was responding the someone talking about how far the staff parking is away from stuff...that is what I am talking about...

anyways...i think this will be a good system...the more people use the bus system, the better the parking and traffic will be on campus....

[The Dude]

exactly. staff don't "deserve" anything. they are being paid. students don't deserve anything either, but they have a better point than staff does.

once you start devaluing your employees is when the quality of your business begins to head toward a downward slope. unhappy employees = unhappy customers.

You make a good point, bball84.

[Kolzilla41]

Yea, I would like to think they value me more than a freshman

[FlameNForest]

Yea, I would like to think they value me more than a freshman

True, but they don't.

But they will let you ride the bus, at least, the back of the bus.

[Kolzilla41]

To be honest, it really doesn't bother me. If I need to take a bus I will. Otherwise, I can take a Liberty vehicle.

[coolhandluke]

but you gotta think about this realistically... The freshmen pay for college, therefore the staff/ faculty would not even have jobs without them! So who is more important to the school?

[JDUB]

Yea, I would like to think they value me more than a freshman

True, but they don't.

But they will let you ride the bus, at least, the back of the bus.

what makes you say they don't value you? you sound bitter, surely there is more to that than you losing your parking space

[FlameNForest]

Yea, I would like to think they value me more than a freshman

True, but they don't.

But they will let you ride the bus, at least, the back of the bus.

what makes you say they don't value you? you sound bitter, surely there is more to that than you losing your parking space

I didn't say they didn't value staff, just not more so than a freshman.

[Kolzilla41]

I see as getting paid to exercise

[flamesbball84]

but you gotta think about this realistically... The freshmen pay for college, therefore the staff/ faculty would not even have jobs without them! So who is more important to the school?

also, think of it this way, you won't even have a school to begin with if there aren't people filling the teaching jobs or even doing the "little jobs" like keeping the grass mowed.

students/freshmen are very easily replaceable, much more than valuable staff members. im sure if 100 freshmen got ticked off and left LU that LU would have a pretty easy job replacing them considering they are having to cap enrollment. i imagine having to replace, oh say the head of PR, would prove to be a much more difficult and task.

[SuperJon]

Do you really think the head of PR is parking in staff spots? No chance. Staff would be the people that consist of 90% students who just graduated that are only working at Liberty for the free grad school and because they couldn't find a better job.

[HenryGale]

Do you really think the head of PR is parking in staff spots? No chance. Staff would be the people that consist of 90% students who just graduated that are only working at Liberty for the free grad school and because they couldn't find a better job.

Staff are also all your coaches, athletic director, assistant AD's, sports info staff, trainers, ticketing staff, marketing, Flames Club, human resources, budget, payroll, IT....

Staff is essentially everybody that does not teach.

[SuperJon]

Do you really think the head of PR is parking in staff spots? No chance. Staff would be the people that consist of 90% students who just graduated that are only working at Liberty for the free grad school and because they couldn't find a better job.

Staff are also all your coaches, athletic director, assistant AD's, sports info staff, trainers, ticketing staff, marketing, Flames Club, human resources, budget, payroll, IT....

Staff is essentially everybody that does not teach.

And those guys also get these magnificent little stickers that say "Athletics" on them that lets them park right in front of their offices. They're really neat too. They even sparkle.

[flamesbball84]

Do you really think the head of PR is parking in staff spots? No chance. Staff would be the people that consist of 90% students who just graduated that are only working at Liberty for the free grad school and because they couldn't find a better job.

Staff are also all your coaches, athletic director, assistant AD's, sports info staff, trainers, ticketing staff, marketing, Flames Club, human resources, budget, payroll, IT....

Staff is essentially everybody that does not teach.

A lot of those people you mentioned aren't easy to replace either, especially coaches.

[SuperJon]

Reading comprehension. Do they not teach it at LC? Read what I wrote. Those people have their own stickers. How do I know? I heard the person at the indoor track who was handling parking tags tell three coaches and another athletics staff member that they had to get the staff and athletic stickers.