[Hold My Own]

nah...I'm a mid 80's baby and I dont agree

[Fumblerooskies]

I really hope coach MK works to change those perceptions...
...make the players play by the rules that everyone else is supposed to adhere to.

[mrich]

my question is are mckay and soucie aware of this? agree or not with the rule I'm pretty sure they will not support a player showing that level of disrespect to someone in a position of authority...coach mckay's first priority right now is restoring dignity to this program, something RD never understood and turned up his nose at (which explains why RM has so much repair work to do)

RA's are not authority figures, they are people who want to be in charge because nobody likes them

Hey you better watch yourself Dickens

[jmdickens]

however, they are put in charge...many times we don't like them, but many times we don't like our boss. does that mean we should "punk" our boss? I guess this goes back to the new age generation where everything is relative and there are no standards.

An RA has never been my boss.....MRICH no disrespect, and I think you can agree that you were never considered my boss

RA's are not put in charge, they are there to make sure that dorms are inhabitable

[Bronx Bombers]

bottom line is, the RA was simply doing his job...

DICKENS: when you worked at the student center did you appreciate when non-students/members gave you a hard time for not letting them in?

[Bronx Bombers]

[quote="Hold My Own"]nah...I'm a mid 80's baby and I dont agree[/quote]

not everyone fits the mold, but in general there is a serious lack of standards and relativity is king in today's generation...but as we've all discussed already RM doesn't put up with this behavior and it is his main goal to change the university's perception of the men's basketball program, because right now Alex McClean "punking" an RA is a microcosm of that perception

[thepostman]

oh yes..today's youth is just so much more anti authority...lets forget about the 60's and how disrespectful that generation was....how soon we forget....

[SuperJon]

Yea, or the 70's.

[Libertine]

"Breakfast Club"? What decade was that?

[olldflame]

We're really straying here, but I'll put in my 2 cents worth anyway.

I think saying an RA is "not the boss of me" may be technically correct, but that is just semantics, and more importantly indicative of an overriding problem with authority. They represent the dean of students, and are responsible to report violations to their supervisors, who will then take appropriate action. When an RA points out that you are in violation and is nice enough to simply let you know and give you the opportunity to comply (ie: put on your shirt), the appropriate response is "Thank You".

[Bronx Bombers]

finally somebody who isn't defending McClean...

[SuperJon]

A lot of it comes around to the RAs who abuse their power moreso than the good ones. There are good RAs out there who only write you up for the stuff that really matters. I'm sorry, but someone playing without a shirt during a pickup game of basketball isn't that big of a deal when a good majority of our student body drinks every week and is having sex with each other or cussing every other word or things like that which go against the purpose of Liberty. Those kids just don't get caught though.

[thepostman]

Yea, or the 70's.

"Breakfast Club"? What decade was that?

exactly....every generation has issues with authority...it isn't a new phenomena by any means...

Bobby Bowden touched a little bit on this in convo the other day...he said he is asked all the time if the kids have changed in the 55 years he has coached, and he always answers "no"....they may look different, talk a little different, but when it all comes down to it they are still the same...young kids trying to grow up......

the older people get the more they forget about how things exactly were when they were young....I pray to God that I do not turn into that.....this is one of those things that really gets under my skin....
yes our generation has their share of disrespectful people...but so did the ones before us...who do you think we learn it from????

[Bronx Bombers]

Point taken, and I would most certainly agree that abuse of power/power-crazy people are the sorriest excuse for managers we have. However, a wrong is a wrong and when witnessed it should be addressed. As far as sex and drinking there is a reason for increased levels of punishment. Obviously someone who is late for curfew isn't gonna get the same punishment as someone who gets caught drinking

[SuperJon]

Ok, since we can agree on that, I ask this:

Why is it so wrong to not wear a shirt while playing basketball? A guy in shorts and no shirt is not offensive unless his shorts are hanging halfway down his butt. Guys dress like this at the beach, at the pool, doing yard work, working out, etc. Why is it wrong? How is it wrong?

It's the same issue a lot of guys have with hair code. As long as you keep it neat, why can't it be a little longer?



It's not so much authority. It's stupid rules that have no Biblical backing or common sense behind them that people have a problem with.

[Hold My Own]

finally somebody who isn't defending McClean...

Ohhh come on! McClean was wrong! I've been saying that give me credit! I'm the one calling out the team for their disrespect from day one even in the press conference.


Age and generations are just excuses....there is no reason a student or student athlete cant show everyone respect...it's funny, I've seen duke players walking around campus and yet for whatever reason they actually fit in and look normal...yet our players act like they are god's and stick out...if you line them up an outsider could point them out simply by the way they dress and carry themselves....I dont really get it...

[thepostman]

I agree SJ...those rules are dumb...but if you listen to how they explain it they say these rules are in place to have a more professional environment...not because God wants us to live this way....

With that said it reinforces the point....long hair is accepted now in the business world more so then ever before....and playing basketball without a shirt has nothing to do with professianlism....

so either way its looked at...Biblical mindset or the professionalism mindset it still brings us to the same conclusion that these rules are just silly

my hair is starting to get long and with how much it cost to get a hair cut these days its almost completely ok to gets reps and the 10 dollar fine

[LUconn]

when a good majority of our student body drinks every week and is having sex with each other or cussing every other word or things like that which go against the purpose of Liberty. Those kids just don't get caught though.

You are the king hyperbole

[Bronx Bombers]

I never said there was anything wrong with him having his shirt off, however, the Liberty Way says its wrong so that is why the RA approached him. I have serious issue with the way Alex handled the RA. That was completely disrespectful and inexcusable.

Do I think men's basketball players should be allowed to have their shirts off while working out in their own practice facility? Probably. Should the RA have even been in there in the first place? Probably not. However, these do not give Alex an excuse to behave the way he did.

Also, as far as Liberty rules, I think we would all agree that there are rules that don't make sense. However, Liberty has the right to make whatever rules it chooses and in turn it is our decision to be here or not be here, so all's fair

[SuperJon]

when a good majority of our student body drinks every week and is having sex with each other or cussing every other word or things like that which go against the purpose of Liberty. Those kids just don't get caught though.

You are the king hyperbole

You'd be surprised how many people do that though. You may think it's outlandish, but it's the truth.

If half the stuff that went on during spring break for a lot of people was found out, there'd be a crapload of students looking for a new school, and just as many washing dishes in the Rot.

[thepostman]

Spring break is one thing...tons and tons of kids do stupid things

but during the school year its a stretch to say that the MAJORITY are out doing it....there is a large amount....but its not the majority....not even close

I am not someone that turns my eyes and ears away from it either...I have seen it and i know it goes on...i know people that drink every weekend, and people that go up the peaks to go smoke weed...but i also know that it isn't the majority of the students....

[SuperJon]

Let me clarify: "a good majority" is just one of those phrases in my vocabulary that means a large percentage of students, and not necessarily over 50% of the students. I should've picked better words and I apologize for that. I don't think it's a true "majority" of the students that do that, but I would go as far as to say around 10-15% of our students either drink, smoke (of some sort), or have sex on a regular basis. I know that doesn't sound like a "large percentage" but in a town as small as Lynchburg, and on a campus where everyone literally knows everybody (I call it "3 Degrees of Jerry"), that is a high number.

[thepostman]

oh yeah that 10 to 15 percent number is probably right on SJ....and it is a large amount...whats crazy is the large amount that doesn't get caught....it always seems the ones that do get caught its either they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and weren't really doing anything or it was like a one time deal...the ones that do it all the time never seem to get caught

Its easy to avoid though really...if you want it, its there....if you don't...well you can avoid it...one of the good things about Liberty which is why I am not at UCF right now where its there in your face all the time....

[SuperJon]

Spring break is one thing...tons and tons of kids do stupid things

Why should that be different though? It's the same for any weekend a lot of kids go home, summer break, or winter break. The most discouraging thing for me is all of these kids who claim to be these great Christians and are so holy, and some that are influences to me as a Christian, go away from Liberty for more than two days and fall right back into the things they did before they got here.

[HenryGale]

Spring break is one thing...tons and tons of kids do stupid things

Why should that be different though? It's the same for any weekend a lot of kids go home, summer break, or winter break. The most discouraging thing for me is all of these kids who claim to be these great Christians and are so holy, and some that are influences to me as a Christian, go away from Liberty for more than two days and fall right back into the things they did before they got here.

Kids tend to be be a product of their surroundings