[Ed Dantes]

With the flag in context of a museum, it seems like it will be okay.

Yeah, but Liberty's views of the the Civil War reminds me of a Germans explaining WWII by saying "no, the Polish invited us."

[kel varson]

With the flag in context of a museum, it seems like it will be okay.

Yeah, but Liberty's views of the the Civil War reminds me of a Germans explaining WWII by saying "no, the Polish invited us."

Kenny Rowlette comment brought back some bad memories. Read his reviews on ratemyprofessor.com and you'll get the picture. Yeah, Lynchburg is just your typical southern city. Most are sympathetic to the confederacy.

[01LUGrad]

How long until this story ends up on CNN?

[Schfourteenteen]

Unfortunately even though the flag itself is not a big deal to most Southerners, this is probably going to be another bad PR incident, and it would be best to just keep the thing covered for now. There was a kid who came up to NJ to volunteer to a concert with me and although it shouldnt bother people like it does, it still does and so I had to make him take off his Confederate Hat. Its just about being sensitive to the issue. Although it may not be a good fit it reminds me of 1 Corinthians 8 where Paul talks about not eating meat so that no one will stumble or be offended or something like that

[Fumblerooskies]

Sch14teen...
...with that logic, does that mean we should not speak of our Savior, or make a statement with a WWJD bracelet, or a display Christian symbol because it might be offensive to someone. Sounds very Willam and Mary-ish to me.

[Libertine]

Its just about being sensitive to the issue. Although it may not be a good fit it reminds me of 1 Corinthians 8 where Paul talks about not eating meat so that no one will stumble or be offended or something like that

I see where you're going, fourteen, and I don't strictly disagree but your Scripture reference doesn't apply here. In I Corinthians 8, Paul is not talking about not offending people. He's talking about not eating meat that's been sacrificed to idols at the risk of confusing new believers that don't know any better.
I this case, I think we should give the museum people the benefit of the doubt and see what the final product is before we get worked up over this thing.

[TallyW]

More unintended humor... There really are people who want to ignore the flag that half of our nation fought under during the civil war? Imagine the text books with the union flag held by one man and a cut out flag on the opposing side.

Instead of teaching about the complicated and messy factions who all fought under the same flag, lets ignore the flag all together...

If it's hard or ugly to explain lets just hide it.

It reminds me of the FDR Memorial and how the PC crowd forced Clinton's hand... I am in no way comparing FDR with the confederate flag... I am comparing the line of thinking of those who would rather ignore history instead of teach how it truly went down. Here is a sample explaining some of the things done to the FDR memorial to make it more "PC"

"The memorial has simmered in controversy over whether it had bowed to "political correctness." Animal rights activists were credited with keeping the trademark fox fur off the statue of Eleanor Roosevelt; anti-smoking activists were credited with having FDR's trademark cigarette holder removed.

But the biggest controversy arose over the decision by the FDR Memorial Commission to stick with 1978 statue designs that were in keeping with FDR's own reluctance to be seen publicly in a wheelchair. Roosevelt went to exhausting lengths not to appear disabled. "

They wanted to ignore history:
1. Memorialize him in a wheelchair even though he went to extreme lengths not to be seen in a wheelchair at all.
2. Take away his trademark Ciggarette b/c smoking is bad for people.
3. Take his wife's fur coat off and replace it with wool b/c PETA would be angry...

Our great nation has an ugly underbelly... Lets be honest about our failures as well as achievements so our kids don't have an unrealistic picture of the struggle this nation has gone to to become as great as it is. There are a lot of black eyes in our past.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/lo ... istory.htm

[ATrain]

To ease everyone's concern, I'll take a picture of it tonight and post it so that we can all see that its really nothing to get worked up about.

[Cider Jim]

There is now a small plaque covering a little bit of the flag, explaining what the museum is all about. And it's screwed into the wall with 2 Phillips head screws.

[TIMSCAR20]

I don't mind the flag being displayed in a historical sense or in a museum. I have a problem with that flag when folks hang it in their truck or on a wall or outside of their home as if the civil war was still going on and the South won. I know it is difficult for many of you out there to relate to racial issues and it is easy to dismiss it as another minority complaining about not being equal or whatever but these things are real and the history of this country and the way black people have been treated is real. You don't over come that type of oppression overnight and anything that is a remotely related to it as a symbol will be seen as offensive regardless of its intent. I saw on CBS news yesterday that 42 years ago yesterday (in some of our lifetimes but not mine quite yet ), blacks were trying to cross a bridge in protest for voting rights and the law enforcement agencies turned hoses on them trying to push them back across the bridge. Just like in the Bob Jones Thread I feel that some or most of you won't get it but that is ok. I was asked to chime in on this thread by another member so that is my 2 cents. I will say that I don't have a problem with what they are doing with the flag from what has been described. I will have to see it for myself via pictures or in person before making a judgement.

[ATrain]

I'm in the C-Lab right now...and I forgot my camera...DANG IT!!!

[jmdickens]

Just thank Dr. Cline Hall of the history dept, and Prof Kenny Rowlette of the English department.....If you have ever had them, they can give you details about ther great grandparents who were fighting in the civil war on both sides.....

I understand that the flag can be offensive...
Why not another southern flag instead of the fighting flag....

I for one am for this......I am a southern historian, but I am excited the north won, it would be too odd a life it they had not

[Schfourteenteen]

Oh no I completly understand it shouldnt be just completly erased from our history/heritage I was just pointing out that in some cases it can go too far. If a cross symbolized hatred in W+M then maybe but in at least my case I couldnt let a volunteer be wearing that(I am not being like an old grandma saying 'Dont you dare bring THAT in here') in our neck of well we dont have woods. I guess what I am saying is Liberty has enough controversies that they/we dont need another one. However since its a history thing it should be ok. Fact is there is a time for everything, and it may have been better to finish(is it done yet?) before putting that up, or atleast making it so the Confederate flag isnt the first thing there, with everyone doing a double take as they walk by.

[Ed Dantes]

I don't mind the flag being displayed in a historical sense or in a museum. I have a problem with that flag when folks hang it in their truck or on a wall or outside of their home as if the civil war was still going on and the South won. I know it is difficult for many of you out there to relate to racial issues and it is easy to dismiss it as another minority complaining about not being equal or whatever but these things are real and the history of this country and the way black people have been treated is real. You don't over come that type of oppression overnight and anything that is a remotely related to it as a symbol will be seen as offensive regardless of its intent. I saw on CBS news yesterday that 42 years ago yesterday (in some of our lifetimes but not mine quite yet ), blacks were trying to cross a bridge in protest for voting rights and the law enforcement agencies turned hoses on them trying to push them back across the bridge. Just like in the Bob Jones Thread I feel that some or most of you won't get it but that is ok. I was asked to chime in on this thread by another member so that is my 2 cents. I will say that I don't have a problem with what they are doing with the flag from what has been described. I will have to see it for myself via pictures or in person before making a judgement.

SCAR, I'm so white they call me "wonder bread" and I agree with you.

[Libertine]

There is now a small plaque covering a little bit of the flag, explaning what the museum is all about. And it's screwed into the wall with 2 Phillips head screws.

Are you sure those are Phillips head screws? They're not hex-heads? I need a picture to be sure.

but I am excited the north won

I don't doubt you. I'm just trying to picture someone being excited over the outcome of a war that ended 150 years ago. How does that work? Do you get out of bed in the morning, look out the window and dance a little jig when you realize that the Union still won?

[jmdickens]

if you think about the war, imagine if the south had won.....slavery in my mind would have ended within 25 years, but our society would be completely different.....

[PAmedic]

if you think about the war, imagine if the south had won.....slavery in my mind would have ended within 25 years, but our society would be completely different.....

yeah- I might have developed a taste for sweet tea and not the other kind

also, I wouldn't drive 90 mph bumper to bumper, screaming at other motorists.

on a good day.

[El Scorcho]

if you think about the war...

What's that? Yes, I'm pretty sure I hear the sound of Sly approaching this thread.

[Cider Jim]

Look for the buildings & grounds crew to break out the rollers soon with heavy primer and battleship grey.

If you want to get a pic the the LU stars and bars in DeMoss, you better hurry, because it will be gone soon.

I wonder if SCAR made a phone call and dropped a BJU reference?

[thepostman]

Look for the buildings & grounds crew to break out the rollers soon with heavy primer and battleship grey.

If you want to get a pic the the LU stars and bars in DeMoss, you better hurry, because it will be gone soon.

I figured it wouldn't be there long....especially since Liberty is really trying hard to retain more black students...since right now they haven't done so great with that

[TallyW]

Wow... LU going PC

[PAmedic]

what happened to: "if it ever gets liberal, burn it down" ?

[jmdickens]

that is very upsetting to have that taken down.....I don't see how anyone could find it offensive, but whatever....more BS

[jmdickens]

So what does that mean about the Civil War Museum??? Is that going to offend anyone???

[NJLibertyboy]

The issue was never the museum, the issue was the confederate flag. From what I understand the museum will continue.