[ALUmnus]

There is an attack on Christianity in this country right now and we absolutely deserve it. We bullied people for far, far too long. Now they've ganged up on us.

I got dumber after reading that, and that's really hard for me to do.

[Purple Haize]

Purple, I've got no problem with political figures speaking in convo from time to time, provided that they are speaking on politics. My problem is when a devout Mormon (Beck) comes and preaches Mormonism from our pulpit, and no one denounces it after the fact.

I think 'Denounce' is a bit harsh. 'Disclaimer' would be better. But on the essence we agree. I don't have a problem with Beck preaching Mormonism is Convo etc but I would hope there would be some type of disclaimer to go with it

[ATrain]

There is an attack on Christianity in this country right now and we absolutely deserve it. We bullied people for far, far too long. Now they've ganged up on us.

I got dumber after reading that, and that's really hard for me to do.

I agree with that last part.

[Humble_Opinion]

Everyone here is acting like LU invited Beck to come speak on the topic of Mormonism at convocation... I don't think LU really screens the content of the message that is going to be delivered, though I could be wrong.

There is an attack on Christianity in this country right now and we absolutely deserve it. We bullied people for far, far too long. Now they've ganged up on us.

I'm a Christian, work at a church, am involved in a small group, and I routinely disagree with the Republican party. According to leadership at Liberty, that's looked at as being less of a Christian because our conservative values trump all.

1) How have "we" bullied people? And who specifically are included in the "we"?

2) Please show me where anyone in leadership at LU has ever said something close to the statement you made regarding disagreeing with the Republican Party and Christianity.

[adam42381]

Could it be that Jr doesn't know what Mormons believe?

Is this a serious question?

[JakeP50]

Everyone here is acting like LU invited Beck to come speak on the topic of Mormonism at convocation... I don't think LU really screens the content of the message that is going to be delivered, though I could be wrong.

I watched very little of what he said but one of the first things he did say was something along the lines "I originally had a much different message planned for today". So maybe he was going to talk more about politics and for some reason or another he changed his mind.

[TH Spangler]

CNN
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/0 ... ction-day/

As he waged crusades against abortion and for prayer in schools, Falwell proudly linked arms with non-evangelicals. While others in the burgeoning Christian Right wanted to organize only among their own flocks, the Moral Majority chief pushed an idea called co-belligerency: people of different religious backgrounds setting aside theological differences to pursue common political goals.

Jerry SR did have a knack for bringing people together to support America's Historical Documents and conservative values. Glenn should have been wise enough to stay on topic.

[JakeP50]

Glenn Beck stay on topic? I don't think that was a skill he ever acquired. You only have to watch his show for 5 minutes to see that.

[TH Spangler]

True!

[SuperJon]

Ha. Spangler helped me. "As he waged crusades against abortion" says a lot about how we as Christians bullied people. We picketed outside of abortion clinics. We completely missed the mark on how to interact with homosexuals and made them feel as though they had to hide their feelings and desires. We spent the majority of the 80s and 90s beating down what we were against (it was Disney one week, then Pepsi the next, then who knows because it changed so often) as opposed to standing up for what we were actually for.

As for the leadership actually speaking out and saying you were less of a Christian if you don't agree with the Republican party, they obviously have never said anything. However, actions speak a lot more than words. Constantly talking about how we must keep to the conservative values, bringing in Republican speaker after Republican speaker, and shoving the conservative political agenda down our throats shows that they believe that if you're a Christian, you should be a Republican. They'll never say that because they can't, but it's clear that's the belief.

[jcmanson]

Could it be that Jr doesn't know what Mormons believe?

Is this a serious question?

Yes

[SuperJon]

Serious question: Who is the spiritual leader of the school? Is it:

1) Johnnie Moore - Vice President for Communications / Teaching Pastor
2) Dr. Todd Campo - Vice President of Student Leadership
3) Dr. Keith R. Anderson - Dean of Students
4) Rev. Dane Emerick - Senior Campus Pastor

I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

[TH Spangler]

"Crusades" was CNN's choice of words. For the record I'm a registered independent. As a Christian who cherishs life, is worried about the breakdown of the family, and feels capitalism is the greatest system in the world, can you name a Democrat in NC or nationally I can support?

[SuperJon]

I know that it was CNN's choice of words and that helps my point. That's what it was viewed as from the people it was impacting.

I've never once said that I was a Democrat or that I think you should support Democrats. I also don't think that an entire political campaign or candidate can rise or fall based on how they view one issue that's not getting changed. However, at Liberty, if they are even the tiniest bit pro-choice, they're less of a Christian.

[TH Spangler]

I know that it was CNN's choice of words and that helps my point. That's what it was viewed as from the people it was impacting.

I've never once said that I was a Democrat or that I think you should support Democrats. I also don't think that an entire political campaign or candidate can rise or fall based on how they view one issue that's not getting changed. However, at Liberty, if they are even the tiniest bit pro-choice, they're less of a Christian.

I named several issues, the family, economics, birth control choices and could name a few more. You're focusing on one.

I think this explains how most of the people you are talking about feel on it.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-pro-choice.html

I resemble this remark! ..... "Is it possible for a born-again Christian to be pro-choice? Yes. Is it likely that such a person will remain pro-choice? Not if he or she is allowing God’s Word to transform and renew his or her mind."

[SuperJon]

You did name multiple issues. That's my bad on only focusing on one. I apologize for that.

Here's my rebuttal: I'm a Christian who who cherishes life but doesn't think abortion should be illegal, is worried about the breakdown of the family but thinks homosexuals should have a form of marital rights, and feels capitalism is the greatest system in the world. Is there a Republican or a Democrat out there that fits that mold perfectly?

My point is that there is no inherent political ideology that lines up perfectly with Christianity. Instead of focusing purely on the Christian leadership aspect, our alma mater choose to try to line up the political with the religion and it can't be done.

[Purple Haize]

Serious question: Who is the spiritual leader of the school? Is it:

1) Johnnie Moore - Vice President for Communications / Teaching Pastor
2) Dr. Todd Campo - Vice President of Student Leadership
3) Dr. Keith R. Anderson - Dean of Students
4) Rev. Dane Emerick - Senior Campus Pastor
5) Dr. Mark Hines - Senior VP for Student Affairs
6) Dr. Ronald Godwin - Provost

I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

**Addendumized**

THIS is who I would like to see
http://www.liberty.edu/flames/?PID=1086 ... 6&TeamID=9

[TH Spangler]

It was nice to see Mark Warner visit Liberty. If I were selecting speakers for convo and found a socially conservative Democrat I would plead with him or her to come.

As far as the other issue you brought up, I hope they can find someone to fill DR Towns shoes.

[thepostman]

You did name multiple issues. That's my bad on only focusing on one. I apologize for that.

Here's my rebuttal: I'm a Christian who who cherishes life but doesn't think abortion should be illegal, is worried about the breakdown of the family but thinks homosexuals should have a form of marital rights, and feels capitalism is the greatest system in the world. Is there a Republican or a Democrat out there that fits that mold perfectly?

My point is that there is no inherent political ideology that lines up perfectly with Christianity. Instead of focusing purely on the Christian leadership aspect, our alma mater choose to try to line up the political with the religion and it can't be done.

I agree with everything you just said except the abortion part. Christian or not there is no way that should be legal in most cases. Take away my Christian worldview and I still can't say it shouldn't be illegal. Nothing about abortion makes logical sense to me and it never will.

OK, back to the regular scheduled liberty is going to hell debate that has been going on for 30 years now...

[SuperJon]

Again, that's me trying to post quickly and not properly articulating a point. (AKA I'm dumb.) I think it never should've been made legal. Now that it's legal, I don't think there's any way they ever make it illegal again. Because of that, I think time and money should be diverted to educating people about adoption, helping families adopt, and other opportunities for people who don't want to have a baby but are pregnant.

[TH Spangler]

Liberty Godparent Home!

[SuperJon]

I love stuff like that. If we (Christians) put our time and resources into Godparent homes, adoption agencies, and other things to educate and facilitate adoption, I think we would have a much more significant impact than if we continued to be solely anti-abortion. Instead of focusing on what we are against (abortion), focus on what we are for (human life) and how someone who does not want a baby can still be pregnant but not kill their baby.

There's a whole mess of other things in this ballpark that I think we are getting wrong, but that's taking this thread completely further off topic.

[adam42381]

Could it be that Jr doesn't know what Mormons believe?

Is this a serious question?

Yes

I guess he should have started watching South Park a few years ago.

[Purple Haize]

Or

http://www.bookofmormonbroadway.com/reviews.php

[thepostman]

In my opinion the godparent home is the greatest ministry liberty/trbc has.