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By rogers3
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prototype wrote: That's an extra combo meal I'm buying the city every time I take my family out to eat...
Never stopped me from eating at Waterstone! You know, one of the chief arguments that pops up when people talk about city waste is the money spent on the Bluffwalk project. Don't get me wrong- I certainly appreciate it and I have no doubt that the owners of the businesses who are there appreciate it as well. If the meals tax is such a problem, maybe we should lobby to raise the lodging tax, which happens to be lower than localities around Lynchburg. An overnight visitor to Lynchburg gets a bargain, in that respect; they pay 1.5% more for their 20.00 meal that they would in Roanoke, but they spend 2.5% less on that 120.00 hotel room. Bottom line- everyone complains about taxes, but it is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, especially if if you are a county dweller and don't have a business or property in the city (I know you don't fall into that category Proto).
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By jbock13
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The market reflects what the consumer is willing to pay. Apparently the opportunity cost is higher to drive out to Campbell per se than rather to dine in Lynchburg.
By Yacht Rock
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I don't think that taxes necessarily impact "where" someone decides to eat but more how often they decide to go out and at which restaurant. As a family, we allocate so much $$$ per month to dining out. If the cost of dining out goes up, I can't afford more all of a sudden, we will just eat out less.
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By Purple Haize
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Yacht Rock wrote:I don't think that taxes necessarily impact "where" someone decides to eat but more how often they decide to go out and at which restaurant. As a family, we allocate so much $$$ per month to dining out. If the cost of dining out goes up, I can't afford more all of a sudden, we will just eat out less.
Not all of us are independently wealthy like you but..... 8)

I think that's the bigger picture. What type of food will your budget handle. And with food prices going up, the ability to eat out is going down.
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By VAGolf
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I'm not going to bother with all of the other comments on this thread, however, I will respond to the comments about Zach Martin.

I have known Zach since I was about 15. First met him at Liberty Debate camp. Then, we were in the same debate club throughout high school. Even teamed up in a couple of tournaments. Outside of that, I've spent time with he and his family.

He's a good kid and I do believe his heart is in the right place. He's quite passionate about conservative policies and not necessarily the money that is involved with politics. With that said, I will concur that he will flee for greener pastures the second he has an opportunity. I have also heard that he burned several bridges in college republicans. Despite his intelligence and diligence, there are definitely times when I would question his ethics.
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By adam42381
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VAGolf wrote:I'm not going to bother with all of the other comments on this thread, however, I will respond to the comments about Zach Martin.

I have known Zach since I was about 15. First met him at Liberty Debate camp. Then, we were in the same debate club throughout high school. Even teamed up in a couple of tournaments. Outside of that, I've spent time with he and his family.

He's a good kid and I do believe his heart is in the right place. He's quite passionate about conservative policies and not necessarily the money that is involved with politics. With that said, I will concur that he will flee for greener pastures the second he has an opportunity. I have also heard that he burned several bridges in college republicans. Despite his intelligence and diligence, there are definitely times when I would question his ethics.
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By prototype
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rogers3 wrote:
prototype wrote: That's an extra combo meal I'm buying the city every time I take my family out to eat...
Never stopped me from eating at Waterstone! You know, one of the chief arguments that pops up when people talk about city waste is the money spent on the Bluffwalk project. Don't get me wrong- I certainly appreciate it and I have no doubt that the owners of the businesses who are there appreciate it as well. If the meals tax is such a problem, maybe we should lobby to raise the lodging tax, which happens to be lower than localities around Lynchburg. An overnight visitor to Lynchburg gets a bargain, in that respect; they pay 1.5% more for their 20.00 meal that they would in Roanoke, but they spend 2.5% less on that 120.00 hotel room. Bottom line- everyone complains about taxes, but it is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, especially if if you are a county dweller and don't have a business or property in the city (I know you don't fall into that category Proto).
Don't be fooled about the Bluffwalk. Go look up how much the city makes on that property now and all loans the city gave them have been paid in full. The city is racking in big bucks from that development.

I'm sure if we lobbied for higher lodging tax - they would raise it and not lower meal's tax anyways. I just think it's bad management by Lynchburg and very short-sided. There is a reason downtown hasn't grown or ever will grow under this current leadership.
By rogers3
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prototype wrote: Don't be fooled about the Bluffwalk. Go look up how much the city makes on that property now and all loans the city gave them have been paid in full. The city is racking in big bucks from that development.

I'm sure if we lobbied for higher lodging tax - they would raise it and not lower meal's tax anyways. I just think it's bad management by Lynchburg and very short-sided. There is a reason downtown hasn't grown or ever will grow under this current leadership.
Personally, I'm supportive of the money the city puts into the downtown. I do think that it will continue to develop- all signs support that assumption. Now what it needs is an Irish pub and a good hamburger joint, you know, something like Citizen Burger in Cville. I'm pretty sure the Irish pub is under construction, but the hamburger joint...
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By PAmedic
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adam42381 wrote:
VAGolf wrote:I'm not going to bother with all of the other comments on this thread, however, I will respond to the comments about Zach Martin.

I have known Zach since I was about 15. First met him at Liberty Debate camp. Then, we were in the same debate club throughout high school. Even teamed up in a couple of tournaments. Outside of that, I've spent time with he and his family.

He's a good kid and I do believe his heart is in the right place. He's quite passionate about conservative policies and not necessarily the money that is involved with politics. With that said, I will concur that he will flee for greener pastures the second he has an opportunity. I have also heard that he burned several bridges in college republicans. Despite his intelligence and diligence, there are definitely times when I would question his ethics.
scary how we think alike

the exact same 2 things jumped out at me

of course being someone accused of having zero ethics I'm sensitive to it :lol:
By flamehunter
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VAGolf wrote:Let me clarify, I believe Zach's heart is in the right place. But he will step on toes, burn bridges...etc.
So he's an "ends justify the means" kinda guy, huh?
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By Purple Haize
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VAGolf wrote:Let me clarify, I believe Zach's heart is in the right place. But he will step on toes, burn bridges...etc.
That concerns me about where you think a hearts 'right place' is
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By VAGolf
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Purple Haize wrote:
VAGolf wrote:Let me clarify, I believe Zach's heart is in the right place. But he will step on toes, burn bridges...etc.
That concerns me about where you think a hearts 'right place' is
Conservative policies and such. He is passionate about the Republican party and about getting conservative candidates selected.

I've worked for candidates in the past who preach conservative principles, but they're not actually concerned with effecting change. Zach isn't that type of guy. He's the type of guy who will work his arse off to win an election. He just has a poor way of dealing with people.
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By adam42381
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PAmedic wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
VAGolf wrote:I'm not going to bother with all of the other comments on this thread, however, I will respond to the comments about Zach Martin.

I have known Zach since I was about 15. First met him at Liberty Debate camp. Then, we were in the same debate club throughout high school. Even teamed up in a couple of tournaments. Outside of that, I've spent time with he and his family.

He's a good kid and I do believe his heart is in the right place. He's quite passionate about conservative policies and not necessarily the money that is involved with politics. With that said, I will concur that he will flee for greener pastures the second he has an opportunity. I have also heard that he burned several bridges in college republicans. Despite his intelligence and diligence, there are definitely times when I would question his ethics.
scary how we think alike

the exact same 2 things jumped out at me

of course being someone accused of having zero ethics I'm sensitive to it :I chortle audibly.:
My ethics have been questioned around here as well. :lol:
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By prototype
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adam42381 wrote:
prototype wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:We have around 10k visitors who stay about 8-9 months every year. I'm all for lower taxes and I certainly don't think the City handles money as well as they should. But I have never in my life chosen to eat or not eat at a restaurant because of the meals tax.
And you are not the norm. Like I said - it's about the total price of checkout... How can City Council justify a higher tax then anywhere else when it comes to food.

And that 10K visitors, I'm guessing you are referring to the students? Let's run this down so I can show it's 6-7 months. Let's use this past years calendar.

Classes start August 19th. I will give you a half of month here. - 1/2 Month
September - Full Month
October - Full Month
November - Let's say half month if we add-in October's Fall Break and Thanksgiving break - 1/2 Month - Fall break was 2 days and Thanksgiving Break was 5 days
December - Gone - 0 - Final exams ended on December 13th
January - Classes start on the 13th - 1/2 Month
February - Full Month
March - I will give you a 3/4 month here. 3/4 Month
April - Full Month
May - Gone - 0 - Final exams ended on May 6th
June - Gone - 0
July - Gone - 0

That's 6 and a 1/4 months... That's 5 and 3/4 months that we have to operate without students here. That's 11.8% I'm paying in taxes. That's an extra combo meal I'm buying the city every time I take my family out to eat...
I think you're fudging the numbers a bit by saying the students are only in town 6 1/4 months.
I said 6-7 Months to be fair. And with your additions I would add 3/4 a month or maybe a month at the most. Knowing that most students leave before last exam day. So 7 to 7 1/4 months.
By thepostman
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I only spent 6 months or so as a non-student in Lynchburg. If i still lived there then I don't think there is any way I would go out as much as I did when there while a student. It was always a little insane for me. I believe the restaurant tax here in DC is 10% and it really has effected how often I go out with my family to eat. If the tax doesn't effect your habits of going out then you either are bad with money or have the income not to worry about it. I don't see how it couldn't effect habits.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote:I only spent 6 months or so as a non-student in Lynchburg. If i still lived there then I don't think there is any way I would go out as much as I did when there while a student. It was always a little insane for me. I believe the restaurant tax here in DC is 10% and it really has effected how often I go out with my family to eat. If the tax doesn't effect your habits of going out then you either are bad with money or have the income not to worry about it. I don't see how it couldn't effect habits.
I don't think it's the tax. It's the cost of food. For instance, I love Arby's. But when I eat fast food I don't eat there because I think their menu is too pricey. So I go with my second option.
Case in point #2. You don't even know what the tax rate is where you live.
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By matshark
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Lynchburg City Council Recap Breakdown

If you want to wade through the numbers and what they mean, feel free to read the analysis below the numbered takeaway items.

*Disclaimer* There's a lot of it. It references a lot of numbers. It gets kind of into the weeds. If you stick it out, you'll have a good idea of what was happening, have some theories as to why, and understand probably more than you ever wanted to about how political campaigns actually work.

1. Campaign efficiency is important

Anderson's votes and resulting efficiency wasn't merely being drug along by the other 2 Republicans. Cary and Nelson both reduced their $/vote expenditure by over $2/vote from 2010, while Smith spent over 3x/vote as Cary, and nearly 9x/vote as Anderson in 2014. The more efficient you are, the further your resources go. This is often the difference in winning and losing.

2. Base turnout is important

The GOP had it's base turnout drop by 47% over the previous cycle while the voter turnout only dropped by 25%. Decide for yourself why that would've happened, but these races get started in December and January - plenty of time to hit every door of every person who voted in the previous cycle for city council… TWICE. (Seriously, we're talking 5 months here - I ran the race that knocked off Bev Sherwood last June in 5 WEEKS > if knocking off a 20 yr incumbent that has a 3-1 money advantage is doable in 5 weeks with like 8 volunteers - yes, EIGHT volunteers, turning out the GOP base in 8 weeks with 20-30 volunteers should be easily doable)

3. Numbers don't lie

It's one thing to talk a good game, it's another thing to actually perform. Politics isn't complicated when it comes to campaigns. Don't say anything stupid. Begin with the end in mind. Maximize your efficiency and effectiveness (which usually go hand in hand). Know where your advantages are compared to your opponents (technological and otherwise). Get your logistics squared away to do just that. If someone claims to be great based on X, Y, and Z, but then fails miserably, perhaps they're taking credit for someone else's work. Campaigns are empirical. Results are repeatable. People who legitimately know what they're doing will have repeatable, successful results - just like in business and in sports.

4. Excuses are for losers

You can make excuses and blame others or you can learn, get better, and be successful. You can't do both. Did you win? If not, then either figure out what you need to change and do it in the future, or shut your pie hole and stop whining.

5. Sometimes preconceived ideas fail miserably and spectacularly.

Its one thing to try new things. It's another to be dumb enough to not figure out why they were spectacular failures, in which case, you deserve to repeat them. Repeatedly parroting failed ideas as if they are the gospel truth is the best way to continue failing.

*Case In Point: Manning every precinct in a district doesn't = success, or necessarily even a respectable result. Last June I had enough volunteers to man 5 precincts out of 22. At 130pm we were losing. I pulled every volunteer but 1. We ended up winning. What did I have them do that pulled victory out of a losing situation? Here's a hint: It didn't involve having volunteers standing at the polls, waving signs, or posting pictures on Facebook that let the opponent know what you're up to.*

6. Winning elections isn't about any individual

It's not about taking pictures, rubbing elbows with every politician you come in touch with, gaining fame, dressing up for fancy meetings and dinners, or trying to advance your way up a ladder to gain personal prestige. It's about winning, getting good people elected, and helping effect lasting positive change. The best campaign operatives are the ones who stand in the back, who you never see in pictures, don't particularly care about personal recognition, and would prefer to see their candidate's name in the paper as opposed to their own.
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The Numbers & Analysis
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money spent as of 4/25 according to VPAP
http://www.vpap.org/offices/profile/311 ... on_id=6544


The issue here is partially the base turnout. The bottom 3 candidates were the ones receiving the Republican nominations, and the top 3 were the ones receiving the Democratic nominations. There is another part of the equation that is campaign operation and efficient use of resources. Many times lower funded candidates will spend less per vote and still lose. Yes, it happens. Dollar amount per vote efficiency is not the end all, be all of campaigns, but it IS a solid indicator of how well a campaign is run in comparison to the others, and a $/Vote number that is way out of line with other candidates - especially if the candidate doesn't win - is an indicator of a campaign that could've been run better in order to get a better result.

The 2014 results may simply look like the Dems got their base out and the Reps didn't, but taken in context with the 2010 results, and the fact that the GOP routinely wins the city in state and national elections with 60-70% of the vote and you have a much larger issue. 2014 appears to be a complete and total failure in identifying and turning out the Republican base.
(See comparisons between 2010 & 2014 turnout, both for the 3 candidates in both elections, as well as the baseline votes for the 2010 & 2014)

Comparison with 2010 at-large races
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http://www.vpap.org/offices/profile/311 ... on_id=6289

While the baseline of votes to win dropped by 25%, Cary and the GOP's base turnout plunged by 47%!!! Figure out who you want to blame for that. Is it the local party? Is it the candidates and their campaigns? H. Cary found a way to decrease his $/Vote by over $2 per vote from 2010. That at least was headed the right direction. He didn't have nearly as much money in 2014 as in 2010, but his campaign was certainly doing some things right.

To make matters worse for the GOP, given Anderson's paltry spending per vote, you can't even necessarily chalk his success up to merely running with an R endorsement. Why? Because he got out there and had his own base that voted for him, but didn't necessarily vote for the other two Republicans. Case in point (embarrassingly for the College Republicans), LU's precinct where Anderson went +54 over the other two Republicans!!!

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(edited: sorry, this is the correct info for the LU precinct)

To make matters worse, Anderson won Ward 3 - arguably the most conservative in the city - vs the other 2 Republicans extending his lead over Cary (+57) and only losing a few votes to Smith (+38). Anderson was doing something correctly - and won 3 of the 5 precincts in Ward 3 - with considerably less money, the other two were clearly not keeping pace.

Anderson 813, Cary 756, Smith 775.

See a precinct by precinct breakdown here:
http://electionresults.virginia.gov/res ... 80&osn=021

Further, Anderson solidly beat the other 2 Republicans in Ward 2 (perhaps not surprisingly - although Smith has worked very hard in Ward 2 for at least 2 years dating back to the 2011 races). Anderson solidly won the 2 downtown precincts, not surprisingly in my opinion, but for him to beat Cary (+84) and beat Smith (+103) there, especially given Smith's hard work and connections down there IS a bit surprising. You would've thought that if anything, Smith would've beaten Cary there.

So clearly, Anderson wasn't just dragged along by the tide of the other two candidates. He had his own constituency that didn't vote for the other two. That then begs the question of, what was he doing with his much smaller pile of resources that the other two Republican candidates weren't doing? As an incumbent, Cary had the benefit of name recognition. Smith had the benefit of being by far the highest Republican fundraiser, and yet he finished second in Ward 3 and only barely beat Cary there by 19 votes. That with the Ward 2 results, results in a dead even split for the Smith and Cary campaigns headed into Wards 1 & 4 (two also very conservative Wards). It was there that Cary won by 88 votes, despite a severe resource disadvantage, and even beat Smith in Smith's home precinct - the strongest conservative turnout precinct in the entire city (102) which Cary lost by nearly 200 votes to Foster and 130 votes to Nelson, and Smith lost by just over 200 to Foster and 160 to Nelson. In short, the Republicans lost places they should've won, and didn't win nearly big enough in places they should've padded their margins. IMO, near systematic voter turnout failure (see numbers above re: 47% drop in turnout).
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