[SuperJon]

I'm sorry, but this thread has gone on way too long without someone posting this:

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[thepostman]

haha, I may or may not have watched a bunch of those last night after I heard this news. I laugh and then I am more angry that our provost would show up on anything attached to this fraud of a man.

[rogers3]

BJ, with all due respect to your current emotional state, but seriously?? Godwin?? Please don't get me started on that man.

+1. I had heard talk that Godwin and LU were developing some fractures in their relationship; maybe this is indicative of some unrest in the upper echelons of leadership. I'm really surprised to hear that Reber and Godwin seem to have a tight connection.

[SumItUp]

How could this happen? I find it very disturbing. Things happen in life that you just wish would go away. This is one of them. Someone in leadership needs to get the axe.

[thepostman]

I just want to know how you could release a statement that says it isn't at all affiliated with the University yet when you watch the video the degree shown is Liberty University degree and the provost is sitting right there!

This University has done some stupid things over the years, but this tops them all. We have come a long way and were starting to add value to having a degree from Liberty University. Crap like this just knocks us back down.

I realize Jerry Jr can't control everything but this is putting OUR name on something. He needs to come out and say something and someone or someones need to be fired.

I have tried not to get too fired up about this, but this is the degree I spent a lot of time and money to get. I refuse to accept this degree be diminished anymore than it already is in some eyes.

[thesportscritic]

I'm sorry, but this thread has gone on way too long without someone posting this:

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I actually watched this video yesterday and laughed.

[jinxy]

Ive never been a huge Godwin fan. I dont know how you can say your not affiliated with him sitting there. Hinn is one of the worst things to be connected to outside of westboro baptist.

[Purple Haize]

I dont have time to comment further as im dealing with the passing of my uncle so I decided to keep my comments brief.

We don't need to know that on this thread. If you are THAT emotional, and I don't doubt you are, DO NOT POST. Especially if you aren't going to read and the get all wee we'd up over people's disdain for someone. Come back when you are emotionally able to handle it

[Purple Haize]

Nothing big will come of this, and no one important is going to lose their job. Liberty's ridiculous statement yesterday was enough to sooth the large majority of alumni and supporters. We have a culture of yes men, and when the university makes a statement like, "we aren't affiliated with LHBI" most of our alumni and supporters just blindly follow. It is what it is.

Which is lunacy because a week from now when Steve and Skylar Tennanbaum in Des Moines see the LhBI promoted on their Benny Hinn eNewsletter THEY wil think it has to do with Liberty. Then they will tell their friends etc. so the majority of people, just like Liberty Counsel, will think it is affiliated with LU.
However, they won't confuse the Lipscomb logo with ours so we got that going for us.....

[thepostman]

Nothing big will come of this, and no one important is going to lose their job. Liberty's ridiculous statement yesterday was enough to sooth the large majority of alumni and supporters. We have a culture of yes men, and when the university makes a statement like, "we aren't affiliated with LHBI" most of our alumni and supporters just blindly follow. It is what it is.

I hope you're dead wrong, but sadly I think you are right.

I am very sensitive to the value of my degree and I think things like this kill that. I really was hoping this would cause a hell storm, but I guess it is just firing up the people who still can't afford to give money to the University, so who cares, right?

[Purple Haize]

Nothing big will come of this, and no one important is going to lose their job. Liberty's ridiculous statement yesterday was enough to sooth the large majority of alumni and supporters. We have a culture of yes men, and when the university makes a statement like, "we aren't affiliated with LHBI" most of our alumni and supporters just blindly follow. It is what it is.

I hope you're dead wrong, but sadly I think you are right.

I am very sensitive to the value of my degree and I think things like this kill that. I really was hoping this would cause a hell storm, but I guess it is just firing up the people who still can't afford to give money to the University, so who cares, right?

For a school that is supposedly trying to polish up their academic bonanfides this certainly doesn't help. With all the crap LU gets for its Online program you would THINK they would do more to address it.

[thepostman]

My thoughts exactly.

A canned response that makes no sense whatsoever really isn't good enough but whatever

[Purple Haize]

My thoughts exactly.

A canned response that makes no sense whatsoever really isn't good enough but whatever

Consider the source....

[TH Spangler]

Looks like some cross pollination. Someone took it over to CSNbbs.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-673623-post-10 ... id10637789

[Curtisc83]

Looks like some cross pollination. Someone took it over to CSNbbs. :I chortle audibly.: :I chortle audibly.:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-673623-post-10 ... id10637789

I had to defend LU's position once Brokeback mentioned it. I don't want misinformation spreading on the Sunbelt board. If a Sunbelt invite is close we don't need to be attached to something like this.

[thepostman]

your defense wasn't a real defense because Liberty's defense wasn't a real defense so therefore quoting the weak response it made Liberty look even worse. Good job.

[Curtisc83]

your defense wasn't a real defense because Liberty's defense wasn't a real defense so therefore quoting the weak response it made Liberty look even worse. Good job.

I'm using the info I have handy. If I had indepth knowledge of the situation I would use that info, but I don't. You are more than welcome to jump in on the big boy forum and defend LU how you see fit. Till then I'm doing what I can.

[thepostman]

The big boy forum?? Why bother? It hasn't done us any favors.

[SuperJon]

The Sun Belt message board has no impact on if we get an invite.

[Curtisc83]

The big boy forum?? Why bother? It hasn't done us any favors.

Yeah big boy forum. I love LU but it's annoying how isolated other alum are on the internet. LU isn't really represented on AGS, Championship Subdivision Forum, or CSNbbs. And then we act surprised when people don't understand how far LU has come from the early days. How would they ever know? I'm not googling App State for info so we can't expect the same. I find out everything on forums.

It's not easy being the odd man out on CSNbbs but I think it's productive because it gets people aware we don't live in caves and are apart of the world. I'm also sure high profile donors visit forums too. One of them could easily have a presidents ear. For now all I see is upside.

[BJWilliams]

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272 Update

[Curtisc83]

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272 Update

I'm not seeing a update I'm on my iPad so maybe that's the reason. Could you post the updated new release text please?

[Sly Fox]

There is no shortage of LU representation on AGS, CS & CSNbbs during football season.

[Purple Haize]

your defense wasn't a real defense because Liberty's defense wasn't a real defense so therefore quoting the weak response it made Liberty look even worse. Good job.

I'm using the info I have handy. If I had indepth knowledge of the situation I would use that info, but I don't. You are more than welcome to jump in on the big boy forum and defend LU how you see fit. Till then I'm doing what I can.

How is that the 'big boy' forum? If you want to know about LU, THIS is the place. If you think that place is better, start a Liberty section over there
Plus, I'm not sure how this is defensible. Pleading ignorance is a tough position. If Godwin is let go, which he won't be, it would make the defense better. But the only thing that MAY happen would be for him to 'retire' at the end of the year. Maybe there's a position for him at Richmond.......

[BJWilliams]

Since the link above isnt working properly:

Update:

Liberty University is not partnering with Benny Hinn. Liberty transferred the operations of Liberty Home Bible Institute, a non-accredited biblical studies certificate program, to Mr. Dan Reber in 2011. Mr. Reber was granted certain licensing rights to use Liberty’s name because the Liberty name was deeply imbedded in LHBI course materials. Earlier, in 2009, Liberty engaged a company of Reber’s, Internet Marketing and Communications, LLC, to market Liberty Home Bible Institute and the Institute of Biblical Studies, another non-accredited biblical studies certificate program. Liberty University has maintained ownership of both programs. It is our understanding that Dan Reber or his company is working with Benny Hinn but Liberty University is not aware of the extent of the relationship or the terms. A review of the relevant contracts demonstrates that any such cooperative venture, branding initiative or partnership with Benny Hinn regarding these Liberty University properties violates the terms of its agreements with Mr. Reber and Internet Marketing and Communications, LLC. Liberty University has placed them on notice of this breach and is taking steps to stop the unauthorized use of its intellectual properties and trademarks. It is true that a senior administrator of Liberty University appeared on a Benny Hinn program where a certificate program was promoted, but no other Liberty officials had prior notice of the planned broadcast. The administrator appeared after he was misinformed regarding the extent of Mr. Reber's contract rights. Again, Liberty University is not involved in any cooperative venture with Benny Hinn.

*More answers to questions on the issue are listed below.



Liberty University released the following statement on Thursday, April 3:

Liberty University is not partnering with Benny Hinn. Liberty transferred the operations of Liberty Home Bible Institute, a non-accredited biblical studies certificate program, to Mr. Dan Reber a number of years ago. It is our understanding that LHBI’s new operators are working with Benny Hinn but LHBI is no longer operated by Liberty University. Mr. Reber was granted certain licensing rights to use Liberty’s name because the Liberty name was deeply imbedded in LHBI course materials. He was also required to obtain permission from Liberty University for any changes in marketing of the courses and Liberty University is investigating to determine whether this new marketing approach violates the terms of its agreement with Mr. Reber.



More questions on the issue:

1. What is Liberty University’s relationship with Mr. Dan Reber?
Dan Reber is a longtime donor to Liberty University. Personally and through his companies, he has provided various services to Liberty University over the years, especially in the area of direct marketing.
2. What is Liberty University’s relationship with Mr. Reber’s Liberty Bible Institute?
We are not aware of Mr. Reber having a Liberty Bible Institute. One of his companies markets courses for Liberty University’s Liberty Home Bible Institute and our Institute of Biblical Studies, two non-accredited biblical studies certificate programs offered by Liberty University’s Center for Professional and Continuing Education. In 2011, Mr. Reber took on additional responsibilities to operate the Liberty Home Bible Institute on behalf of Liberty University but was not authorized to make changes in the program without the consent of Liberty University. Please note that courses from the Institute of Biblical Studies, not Liberty Home Bible Institute, were being promoted on Benny Hinn’s program.

3. Does Mr. Reber’s Institute operate from Liberty University’s campus or other property?
Dr. Ron Godwin was mistaken when he stated on television that Liberty’s Institute of Biblical Studies was operated by Mr. Reber. It is owned and operated by Liberty University on Liberty’s campus. By contract, the Liberty Home Bible Institute, a program not mentioned on Hinn’s program, has been operated by Mr. Reber at a location outside the campus of Liberty University, within the County of Bedford, Virginia, since August of 2011.

4. Does Liberty University provide any resources to Mr. Reber’s Institute?
Yes, Liberty provides resources to Mr. Reber in connection with his operation of the LHBI (again, the program not mentioned in the Hinn video). Examples include the rights to reproduce program materials, computerized scoring equipment, presence on Liberty University’s website, letterhead, email redirection, telephone redirection, completion certificates and certain other benefits to graduates of the program.

5. Dr. Ronald Godwin, identified by Liberty University as its senior vice president for academic affairs/provost, says Mr. Reber’s Institute program, though a “separate entity,” is “recognized and endorsed by Liberty University.”
Again, Dr. Godwin was mistaken. The Institute of Biblical Studies is not separate but LHBI is separately operated by Mr. Reber. Both programs are Liberty University programs. Those who successfully complete the program are eligible for college credit on the same basis as other certificate program graduates. LHBI graduates must still meet the criteria for admission to any program to which they seek admission and completion of IBS or LBHI is not, in and of itself, a guarantee of admission or of academic credit. Our public statement issued yesterday only referenced LHBI. Liberty officials were able to review the 2009 and 2011 contracts and the Hinn video today and, for the first time, realized that IBS courses were being sold on the video, not LHBI courses.

Is it a fact that Liberty University recognizes and endorses Mr. Reber’s Bible Institute program? And to what degree is the recognition and endorsement, if that is the case? See above.

6. Was Mr. Godwin operating as a Liberty University representative in his endorsement of Mr. Reber’s partnership with Benny Hinn?
No. His communications were not authorized and were contrary to the terms of Liberty University’s contracts with Mr. Reber and his company. Dr. Godwin says that he was advised that Mr. Reber had the contractual right to sell IBS courses and says that he asked Benny Hinn not to air the program until he returned to Virginia and confirmed that Liberty had granted Reber the rights to sell the courses.
7. Does Liberty University plan to pursue any legal course of action? Liberty University is putting the parties on notice of its rights and requesting actions inconsistent with its contract, trademark and intellectual property rights be stopped and rectified.