[DB89]

Pope Francis called, personally, and canceled his newspaper subscription back home. Told the driver to wait while he went in to pay his hotel tab racked up during conclave. My kind of guy...I like him already.

[NotAJerry]

Here's the story on cancelling the newspaper. I'm not sure where he's going to fall on certain issues, but the humility/groundedness is hopefully a good sign.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... ivery?lite

[ALUmnus]

Just a friendly reminder, there's no such thing as a "humble pope". The pope is someone we should be praying for, not cheering for. And that prayer should be for salvation and leading their church back to the biblical church.
http://thecripplegate.com/humble-popes-dont-exist/

[Purple Haize]

Just a friendly reminder, there's no such thing as a "humble pope". The pope is someone we should be praying for, not cheering for. And that prayer should be for salvation and leading their church back to the biblical church.
http://thecripplegate.com/humble-popes-dont-exist/

A lot of those points could be made about ANY leader. I'm not talking the theology part but the 'pride' part

[ALUmnus]

The "theology part" is kind of the foundation for the point being made.

[Purple Haize]

The "theology part" is kind of the foundation for the point being made.

Theology and humility are not the same thing. I guess I just don't hate Catholics enough.

[ALUmnus]

Oh gosh, here comes the "hater" garble. Nice jump there.
No one said theology and humility are the same thing, not sure how you came to that conclusion. And it's not the man's personality that's being questioned, it's his position. The Pope, by virtue of his position, cannot be by definition "humble".

[Purple Haize]

Oh gosh, here comes the "hater" garble. Nice jump there.
No one said theology and humility are the same thing, not sure how you came to that conclusion. And it's not the man's personality that's being questioned, it's his position. The Pope, by virtue of his position, cannot be by definition "humble".

Yes. He can. Position and humility are not mutually exclusive.

[ALUmnus]

I can't argue with you when you're contradicting yourself. And I can't hate Catholics if I can't argue with you. See what you've done to me? You're denying me my hate.

[Purple Haize]

I can't argue with you when you're contradicting yourself. And I can't hate Catholics if I can't argue with you. See what you've done to me? You're denying me my hate.

How am I contradicting myself? Just because I believe you can be humble AND the Pope? I disagree with a lot of the premises of the article.

[NotAJerry]

Just a friendly reminder, there's no such thing as a "humble pope". The pope is someone we should be praying for, not cheering for. And that prayer should be for salvation and leading their church back to the biblical church.
http://thecripplegate.com/humble-popes-dont-exist/

Really? We're questioning people's salvation on issues that are not related to salvation?

I'm so glad I got out of the Liberty bubble and met quite a few Catholics whose view of salvation is entirely biblical despite their views on church leadership/hierarchy.

Next thing you know we'll have someone run in and tell us that you're not saved if you don't use a KJV bible.

We need a lot more of the Jim Belcher "Deep Church" approach and a lot less of the approach that takes secondary issues and elevates them to the place of primary, salvation affecting issues.

[Purple Haize]

Next thing you know we'll have someone run in and tell us that you're not saved if you don't use a KJV bible.
.

Well, you're not. Everyone knows that!

[Kolzilla41]

Just a friendly reminder, there's no such thing as a "humble pope". The pope is someone we should be praying for, not cheering for. And that prayer should be for salvation and leading their church back to the biblical church.
http://thecripplegate.com/humble-popes-dont-exist/

Really? We're questioning people's salvation on issues that are not related to salvation?

I'm so glad I got out of the Liberty bubble and met quite a few Catholics whose view of salvation is entirely biblical despite their views on church leadership/hierarchy.

Next thing you know we'll have someone run in and tell us that you're not saved if you don't use a KJV bible.

We need a lot more of the Jim Belcher "Deep Church" approach and a lot less of the approach that takes secondary issues and elevates them to the place of primary, salvation affecting issues.

When the church preaches salvation through Mary, then yes, that statement can be made. Btw, I am an ex-catholic who was 3 years from entering seminary to become a priest.

[ALUmnus]

The Roman Catholic problems with doctrine are not secondary issues. It goes right to the core of the gospel, grace, salvation, authority of the triune God, and authority of Scripture.

The whole "Liberty bubble" dismissal is getting so overplayed. Next you'll be saying I was probably homeschooled. Liberty did not teach about Catholicism, at least not that I remember. This may be hard for you to believe, but you're not the only person who graduated from Liberty that can actually think for themselves.

[ALUmnus]

That whole Reformation thingy...not just about indulgences.

[Purple Haize]

That whole Reformation thingy...not just about indulgences.

I believe there were 94 other theses that Luther took issue with. I'm fairly sure Baptists don't agree with all of them.

[jbock13]

"All of you are catholic hating biggots!"

-signed, NAJ

I think really it divides more into the conversation than there really should be. Catholics and Protestants are alike in many things. But the differences wedge the two apart. I don't fundamentally believe Catholics are worshipping idols, I simply believe they are misinformed that truth is revealed by God through the Bible, not a church. I don't believe they go to hell for this. There's plenty of Catholics who are devout with the right reasons in mind, not just works based. I suppose I just choose not to divide up our faith along Protestant v. Catholic lines, no matter how naive that may be.

Having said that, the Catholic Church tends to be much more conservative than Protestant sects these days. I can at least admire that Church has not bended to the will of personal pan Christianity just yet.

[ALUmnus]

I think really it divides more into the conversation than there really should be. Mormons and Protestants are alike in many things. But the differences wedge the two apart. I don't fundamentally believe Mormons are worshipping idols, I simply believe they are misinformed that truth is revealed by God through the Bible, not a church. I don't believe they go to hell for this. There's plenty of Mormons who are devout with the right reasons in mind, not just works based. I suppose I just choose not to divide up our faith along Protestant v. Mormon lines, no matter how naive that may be.

Having said that, the Mormon Church tends to be much more conservative than Protestant sects these days. I can at least admire that Church has not bended to the will of personal pan Christianity just yet.

....it could be said.

Sure, I think a Catholic could be saved, no doubt. But you have to question why they would be in a church whose official position is antithetical to Scripture. It doesn't make sense if they were really honest about it. What does it really matter if a church is conservative if they're teaching a false gospel?

[NotAJerry]

Sure, I think a Catholic could be saved, no doubt. But you have to question why they would be in a church whose official position is antithetical to Scripture. It doesn't make sense if they were really honest about it. What does it really matter if a church is conservative if they're teaching a false gospel?

Why are there Baptists who are in churches whose official position is antithetical to Scripture? Or Presbyterians? Or Pentecostals? It's because everyone has blind spots and every church is made up of fallen people so they are inherently, at some point, believing or doing something antithetical to Scripture. To say that someone can't be humble because they hold a position of leadership in any of them is ridiculous.

[Purple Haize]

Sure, I think a Catholic could be saved, no doubt. But you have to question why they would be in a church whose official position is antithetical to Scripture. It doesn't make sense if they were really honest about it. What does it really matter if a church is conservative if they're teaching a false gospel?

Why are there Baptists who are in churches whose official position is antithetical to Scripture? Or Presbyterians? Or Pentecostals? It's because everyone has blind spots and every church is made up of fallen people so they are inherently, at some point, believing or doing something antithetical to Scripture. To say that someone can't be humble because they hold a position of leadership in any of them is ridiculous.

OMG, we agree. I need to check my meds

[ALUmnus]

Sure, I think a Catholic could be saved, no doubt. But you have to question why they would be in a church whose official position is antithetical to Scripture. It doesn't make sense if they were really honest about it. What does it really matter if a church is conservative if they're teaching a false gospel?

Why are there Baptists who are in churches whose official position is antithetical to Scripture? Or Presbyterians? Or Pentecostals? It's because everyone has blind spots and every church is made up of fallen people so they are inherently, at some point, believing or doing something antithetical to Scripture. To say that someone can't be humble because they hold a position of leadership in any of them is ridiculous.

Do these denominations have a world-wide church with one central figure of authority who is bound to an official position that is antithetical to Scripture? No. It's called "Catholic (big C)" for a reason. To compare the two just doesn't fit.

Again, let's go back to a few of the things the RCC goes wholly against Scripture on: the gospel, grace, salvation, authority of the triune God, and authority of Scripture. THESE ARE NOT SECONDARY ISSUES. If you get these wrong, how is that in any way Christian? One of the RCC's official positions, taken with the same authority (actually with greater authority) than Scripture is that the church that you and I belong to are an anathema. The Pope has cursed you. Admire that all you want, I won't.

Look, I'm just some Liberty-educated, unenlightened boob who will never convince you of anything. Instead, go read some nice Reformed folks who I know you probably admire. Read some of Carl Trueman's articles. Listen to John McArthur's series on the RCC. Listen to the podcast below from James White. They will all tell you the same thing.

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=5401

[DB89]

I chose to include Henri Nouwen as my brother, and a Kempis too. Jesus likes it when we unite in His love. That is why Jesus taught us to pray, "Our Father.."

[4everfsu]

Pope will live in two rooms instead of grand apartment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21949118

[Purple Haize]

Pope will live in two rooms instead of grand apartment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21949118

TWO rooms? How arrogant and narcissistic. He truly is not a humble but a prideful man.

[ALUmnus]

Jesus likes it when we unite in His love. That is why Jesus taught us to pray, "Our Father.."

That sounds so beautiful. Don't see how it applies here. And God can only be Father if we're adopted as sons. And according to the RCC, you're not.