[Rocketfan]

A few weeks ago, most people arguing with me here fell back on the campus Democrats as the main evidence that Liberty isn't afraid of opposing points of view. So much for that. Shuttering the group and the rationale for doing so is rank immaturity.

I've posted some preliminary thoughts at the Freelance.

Haha I think its funny you just now show back up because you have some rocks to throw in the Schools direction. Way to show that you are far from being objective.

You forgot to point out his advertisement too....

Besides why are you thoughts preliminary, do you have an interview with Jerry Jr. coming or possibly probing the mind of BJ? If not it shouldn't be that hard to write them all in one sitting.....

[Liberty Freelance]

It didn't take long, but this discussion has quickly shifted from the merits to personal attacks, my real "ha ha" reasons for not coming here very often.

Thanks for the memories, fellas.

[Liberty Freelance]

The reason it's preliminary is because I don't sit around making personal attacks. I like to do research, such as actually reading the Democratic party platform that Liberty referenced, etc. What difference does it make? Of all the things I wrote in my first comment, why did "preliminary" prompt a response from you? Seriously, why did you skip over all the opportunities to discuss the merits, and focus on that word, deliberately sending this discussion down a rabbit trail?

[Rocketfan]

The reason it's preliminary is because I don't sit around making personal attacks. I like to do research, such as actually reading the Democratic party platform that Liberty referenced, etc. What difference does it make? Of all the things I wrote in my first comment, why did "preliminary" prompt a response from you? Seriously, why did you skip over all the opportunities to discuss the merits, and focus on that word, deliberately sending this discussion down a rabbit trail?

If you don't know the basic principles of the Democratic party platform that Liberty fundamentally disagrees with (without reading it, since you know plenty about LU) then your a troglodyte. Hence the reason why i pointed out " preliminary " in reference to your post.

[flamesfilmguy]

He should go interview Kevin Roose on this again. Apparently Kevin is writing up an article in the coming days about this ordeal. only reason I know is cause he put this up on twitter

[flamesfilmguy]

On a side note this is one of my friends facebook status...

"Liberty:noun\ˈli-bər-tē- is a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will. Um...Irony here?!?!"

[jcmanson]

Yay for positive press on the 6 o'clock news in Richmond.

[flames1971]

My family is Republican, but I don't see why Christians who are Democrats have to be punnished. Goodness. Everyone, including Christains, has different opinions and by law they can express them freely. I don't think LU should've made this move; however, I see where they are coming from. But seriously though, Democrats can be Christians.

[flames1971]

Yay for positive press on the 6 o'clock news in Richmond.

Down here where I live there's nothing really postitive- people are focusing on the fatal crash that happened...

[Hold My Own]

On a side note this is one of my friends facebook status...

"Liberty:noun\ˈli-bər-tē- is a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will. Um...Irony here?!?!"

Yeah I saw that too...I suppose they forgot about the fact our school's name comes from "Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty"



I love all of this...it gives me flashbacks of just 10 years ago during the good ole days...I was afraid we'd never see them again

[GoUNCA]

So much for amazing grace or grace in general, I guess.

Not to mention a stupid move on the University's part. What about the Log Cabin Republicans? Not to mention the Blue Dog Democrats? If you want to sound like an idiot, just label an issue as black or white. I guess the Women in Aviation and Concerned Women for America club will have to be disbanded soon as well. Or maybe the very intriguing sounding "optimist" club if the administration really gets into Ecclesiastes.

You guys know that I don't agree with you and that I will debate any of my views with you. But, really? I guess you didn't want the Catholics to have all the media attention.

[phoenix]

A dark moment for Liberty, in both senses of the word.

We don't require people to be Christian to attend Liberty anymore, but we're going to require them to be Republicans, I guess. I sure hope that doesn't show where our priorities lie. Most of all, I hate the fact that they've actually made me agree with the Liberty Freelance.

[INeedAManager]

hey guess what, we even made it to the national news scene

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05 ... latestnews

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... lege-dems/

[flamesbball84]

hey guess what, we even made it to the national news scene

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05 ... latestnews

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... lege-dems/

And getting in the national news hasnt really proven tor esult in much good for LU - reference Jerry Falwell's various comments over the years, such as his comments about gays and 9/11, teletubbies, etc.

[4everfsu]

Too many people getting their panties in a wad. This too shall pass

[The Dude]

We don't require people to be Christian to attend Liberty anymore, but we're going to require them to be Republicans, I guess. I sure hope that doesn't show where our priorities lie.

They aren't going to require anyone to be a Republican. They just aren't going to allow a "College Democrat" club.

[flamesfan30]

I think the real reason they are no longer an official club is because, thanks to SGA president matt mihelic, all official clubs now receive real money from the school. LU will never in a million years give money to anything anywhere that comes close to even appearing to support abortion and gay marriage.

[ToTheLeft]

I think the real reason they are no longer an official club is because, thanks to SGA president matt mihelic, all official clubs now receive real money from the school. LU will never in a million years give money to anything anywhere that comes close to even appearing to support abortion and gay marriage.

Excellent point.

[SuperJon]

I think the real reason they are no longer an official club is because, thanks to SGA president matt mihelic, all official clubs now receive real money from the school. LU will never in a million years give money to anything anywhere that comes close to even appearing to support abortion and gay marriage.

If that's the case I'll be waiting for my check for The LUnatics when I get back to Lynchburg and we'll go out and get some good stuff for football season this year.

[Baldspot]

My guess is this has to do with federal funding students receive that's based to a certain degree on non-discrimination practices as defined by the gov't. Typically there are exceptions for religious organizations but the organization needs to be consistent, creating a business practice if you will. I believe one article stated the problem was positions taken by the national Democratic party for instance.

The democratic nat'l platform may say they support gay and abortion rights. So do the charters for Soulforce, Planned Parenthood and a host of other groups. In that scenario, the school's only defense against losing the funding is to show their consistency, based upon religious convictions, and not arbitrarily picking say some gay rights group they don't want to sanction on campus.

[4everfsu]

Falwell said that although the university revoked the College Democrats’ right to use the LU name, “That club still has a right to exist, and they can still meet on campus. We have not disbanded the club.”

Falwell and Staver said the Democratic club members individually support pro-life and pro-family views, even though those beliefs are contrary to the national Democratic Party’s platform.

“There is absolutely no animosity toward any of these kids,” Falwell said.

“They are good Christian kids who sit with me at ball games. I just hope they find a pro-life, pro-family organization within the Democratic Party that they can affiliate with so they can be endorsed by Liberty University again,” Falwell said.

Staver said the key issue was the Democratic club’s use of the university’s name and potentially its use of university funds starting next fall, when LU plans to begin giving financial support to student clubs.

“We are not looking at clubs because of their political affiliation. We are looking to make sure they are consistent with the mission of the university, which includes core values such as being pro-life and pro-marriage,” Staver said.

The LU law school recently approved regulations governing student clubs that would operate with school funding, he said.

Falwell said that during the Democratic club’s 1½ semesters of existence on campus, he had heard from “donors, parents and trustees, all complaining that the club had been endorsed.”

“Last fall this group was approved by an administrator who really didn’t check with anybody else, and he misread the policy. Now, we have a more specific policy,” Falwell said.

Falwell said he was surprised when he learned the approval had been granted. The administrator still works at LU, Falwell said, and, “In his defense, he said they promised when the club was formed that they would be pro-life and pro-family, and since then they have supported candidates who were not.”



http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/loc ... nts/16195/

[01LUGrad]

I'm sorry. This is really stupid. I take a lot of crap from people for stuff that goes on at LU, but I'm not going to stand behind this decision. Silencing the opposing point of view is not how we should go about doing things. There's another part to that whole First Amendment thing besides freedom of religion, you know.

[LUconn]

The original article specifically says that they cannot meet on campus. The 4:15 update, JJ says “That club still has a right to exist, and they can still meet on campus. We have not disbanded the club.”

The University should really release things with the tact of the 4:15 update instead of the crassness of the original article. I thought that was one of the things we were doing better at. The quotes from childress (who was a poster here wasn't she?) and Diaz didn't really help.

[Ed Dantes]

No, sorry, this is a terrible move. I don't care how you parse words.

[ALAFlamesFan]

Personally I think it should be a requirement for all senior LU staff to live outside the "fundamentalist, evangelical bubble" for a little while before being allowed to make decisions. A little time spent in a mainline middle of the road church may not give you much more biblical insight but it will teach you that there are plenty of folks out there trying to honestly live out their faith who do not have the benefit of being born into the holy huddle that sometimes is the typical liberty person. This decision, like some others in the past, plays well with the base but makes it harder for the rest of us out here far away from the safe, protected confines of the city on the hill.

Anyone remember the big sign Jerry put up in front of campus that said "This University is politically inccrrect"?

LU has made plenty of great moves also but this was not one of them.