[PAmedic]

I'd like to break with tradition and go on record here to say that this "guest" made a good point.

now back to my usual cynicism.

[A.G.]

With insight like that, the least we can do is offer the guest a chance to REGISTER!

[LUconn]

no, we only offer that to guests we dont like. So we can keep a record of who not to listen to.

[BJWilliams]

Where I went to school growing up, we could wear jeans and what not, but we always had to have shirts tucked in, and we had to wear shirts, sport coats and ties (girls wore dresses/skirts) for chapel once a week (Thursday). I carried that over to when I came to LU so for me dressing professionally has I guess been a way of life (I own very few pairs of jeans, yet I have about 12 pairs of khakis and 6 or 7 pairs of dress pants, as well as a black suit and a couple sport coats)

[Just John]

As an "old hag", (was there back in 80-82) I say good for them that the rules have been relaxed. I was there in the days of ties everywhere until dinner. IMHO I thought it was a bit much then (but I AM from So. Cal) but especially now. Glad to hear they have moved away from that.

I think that college is a time that kids are transitioning to adults and that should allow some decision making on their part. They won't all be right decisions but it will help them grow. I say make the rules predominantly about moral issues (sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.). I mean, it's not they have to wear ties at Harvard and Yale and they do pretty well in the business world.

Someone mentioned hall meeting. I don't know if they still have prayer groups Mon-Wed nights like they did when I was there. I remember my RA's were always hard-core about "lights-out" at 11 pm except for Thursdays. The RA's would practice their preaching and it always seemed to extend past 11 pm. I won't say who the guy was that encoraged everybody on the floor to set their alarms for 11 pm. The RA's were not happy but it was funny!

Agree or disagree, I earned the right to give my opinion. LOL

[Sly Fox]

Thanks for sliding over here from the FFF, Just John. I think you'd have a good time spinning through some of the threads in the 'Old Folks Home' forum.

[Guest]

Thanks for sliding over here from the FFF, Just John. I think you'd have a good time spinning through some of the threads in the 'Old Folks Home' forum.

Oh, I am SO busted.

I have lurked here for a long time and have even posted a few times but finally decided to register. Nice site!

[phoenix]

Thanks for sliding over here from the FFF, Just John. I think you'd have a good time spinning through some of the threads in the 'Old Folks Home' forum.

Especially since the FFF has gotten much more bizzare lately -- and I never thought that was possible.

[ATrain]

Yes John, we still have prayer groups, and I'm going to be a prayer leader next year (after first turning down the offer two years ago, I finally listened this time)...but the lights out rule is no more. However, I hear you can get kicked outta Pensacola for studying under your covers with a flashlight after 10 PM.

[Jasmen8182]

I've been trying to go to Chapel first.... Last night I stayed up way too late; have to figure out a good schedule for checking my mail, this site, doing some reading and writing (poems,etc.), esp. when school is in session again. I just got a phonics program for my daughter, though we aren't sure abt. long term- maybe even have my son go to LCA if we move down south in next couple yrs. I know this seems like a huge hijack, but bear with me (I was so embarassed yrs. ago when I got a cute key chain w/ a cuddly looking bear that said "bare...."). It's been a while (notice the apostrophe so as to make it a contraction rather than possessive pronoun) since I LIGHTHEARTEDLY busted on someone for punctuation-hopefully you 3 won't be offended.... BTW, many people on this board have more intelligence than I do and certainly more sports knowledge....
I am considering distance learning from LU for a Masters; do ya think I should focus on grammar and comp. so as to be extra annoying? Seriously, the only reason I notice some of this stuff is teaching it recently.
1. SJ-"never would've came"-came is past tense; past participle w/ helping verb would be "have come"
p2. Sly-don't get upset...-"once your on your career path"- I've seen this pronoun/contraction thing even on a library poster; based on context, yourintention was "you're on...."
Guest- "guys look to uncomfortable"
That's enough- don't let GMTM get heated abt. some dry humor; BTW, most, like my husband, wouldn't understand the amusement, but I love a little book entitled Eats,Shoots and Leaves.

[Jasmen8182]

Since I don't know how I managed to post 3 times and don't know how to "unpost"....

[Jasmen8182]

Now for the final edit/"unposting"-BTW, Medic, now I feel guilty

[PAmedic]

not only do you put the smackdown on SLY for his grammer- you post it 3 TIMES to drive the point home!

OUCH!

[STUDENT]

I get really frustrated when some of you guys think that changing the dress code has anything to do with learning or spiritual growth on campus. As for the convo thing, that's entirely different so don't lump that in with dress code changes. We should be worrying more on spiritual and learning development and much less on dress code and hair code. College is the last time in many people's lives that they can dress casually and wear their hair the way they want it. As for preparing you for the workforce, how many freaking years does it take you people to get ready for a dress code at work!? We should be able to wear our hair and dress how we choose now and when it's time to enter the workforce, then it's time to enter the workforce. If you can't handle the transition than that's your problem. You guys act like we have this huge advantage with our rules being more strict. I don't see students from MIT, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc. having problems getting jobs after college and they don't have a dress code!

I also think that a lot of you really underestimate how many people are coming in because of the changes to the rules. The fact of the matter is, the growth is coming in very large part due to the dress code/rule changes. In one post you'll say how immature the freshman are, then in the next post you'll say they're not shallow enough to come because the rules are more leniant. Make up your mind!

[bigsmooth]

thanks for stopping by "student", go ahead and register. the dress code is all about being professional and not looking like a slob. i think that is what most of us old and semi-old hags are talking about. does it make a difference in learning? no, but LU is supposed to be different. i have seen many students in the new dress code who look like they have not taken a bath in a week. as christians i think we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. i have no problem with the new dress code, as times change, but you can be casual and professional. in regards to your arguement about those "other" schools not having problems getting jobs...it is all about their institution. comparing LU to those schools is ridiculous.

[LUconn]

. College is the last time in many people's lives that they can dress casually and wear their hair the way they want it.

Not if they go to Liberty. High School was their last hurrah.

If you honestly think that a strict dress code doesn't do anything, then you're crazy. Well not crazy, maybe just haven't thought about it as much. Example: I have to wear business casual 4 days a week and then can wear jeans and a Tshirt on Friday. It completely changes my mentality. It's almost the feeling like it's a half-day from back in my elementary school days. Productivity is off the charts low. Take the same person and have them take a class A and class B. In class A he dresses up all the way to a tie. In class B he rolls in wearing what he slept in last night. I don't have to tell you which class he will most likely be more productive in (assuming they are of equal difficulty).

It's all about appearance as well. It differentiates us from them. If somebody visits Radford and somebody visits LU of 1998, who do they think is taking their education more seriously? Obviously this is a broad generalization but this is the way the world works.

[bigsmooth]

well put my whaler friend

[PAmedic]

I probably tend to agree with STUDENT more, but agree or disagree with him/her- I appreciate the fact that he/she actually posted something grammatically accurate and understandable.

quite refreshing-

welcome to the board STUDENT.

[STUDENT]

I'm trying to look at this from the point of view of Jerry Falwell and some other administrators that want to DRAMATICALLY increase the enrollment at Liberty. You guys might not want that to happen, but we all know that Falwell does. You guys can disagree with me all you want, but there would still be about 7,000-8,000 students at Liberty if some changes were not made, IMO. I'm not looking at this from a theoretical point of view. I am one student who would not have even considered Liberty if we had to wear suits. I know of many other people that also would not have. You can bash me all you want for that, but I was at another school my freshman year and did great academically while going to class with VERY casual clothes on. I transferred to Liberty because of the Christian atmosphere where I could grow spiritually and actually be able to hang out with friends who didn't need to get drunk every weekend to have fun. I don't think that I bring down the school at all or contribute to spiritual decline just because I happen to want to be able to dress casually and have my own style. I am still strongly against the hair code because it's completely arbitrary (everyone has different hair and some RA's are much more strict about the "touching the ears" rule than others) and because I never used to get haircuts more than once or twice a year, I'm more poor now than ever in my life, and I think free haircuts from friends look like crap. I would appreciate it if you guys wouldn't judge us (that only considered Liberty after the rule changes) without knowing what kind of people and what kind of students we are.

Maybe I will register later, but just to make it easier on you guys to respond, I am a guy .

[bigsmooth]

nobody is judging you...relax. most everyone here either attended LU or has been around recently, so we all know what the code is and what people look like.

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

to be completely honest with you, im transferring in this year, and one of the main reasons i chose liberty was BECAUSE of all the rules. When i told some of my friends at my last school about some of the rules they said i was crazy, or that i shouldnt need to be told to not watch R movies or stuff. For me its not about that, its more like me giving things to God so that i can grow closer to him. Granted, i am going to complain about the rules, but still, im probably one of the very few who is excited about the rules. Also, i know they dont just have the rules for no reason, or just to punish them. My father is a reason for alot of the rules, but rather than saying they were stupid, he would talk to Jerry about why he made the rules. I hope to bring in this heart of not just scoffing at the rules, but knowing there is a reason for them, and that no matter what, these next 3 years i have at liberty will be a great 3 years of growing closer to christ.

[LUconn]

Well, I can tell you, you're not in the majority.

As for admissions with rules. I can't tell you how insane I thought it was when I found out each year how many freshman in my dorm didn't even know that there were any rules. (How can you not figured this out when makeing this major life decision). So honestly I think we'd have to worry more about retension than amdission.

As for that aspect of it, would you honestly compramise your choice over which college you want to graduate from, over wearing a polo shirt for a couple of hours a day, and keeping your hair trim? I the person that does may need to get their priorities in order.

[TIMSCAR20]

Some perspective is needed I think in this discussion. The dress code, like most things is a guideline to deal with thousands of people. If you had a group of 10 people, you might not need to enforce a dress code because group dynamics state that the top 2 or 3 people will set the tone for the entire group (I am putting my Psych degree to use here). As the group gets larger, it becomes necessary to have guidelines because like it or not there is always going to be a percentage of any group that pushes the envelope. When I worked at AOL last summer for example there was no dress code. I saw everything from bunny slippers to house robes to curlers. I am not exaggerating either. If you want to present a certain image, then a dress code is necessary. Now to what extend you have that code will vary. I for one am not against lightening up on the code just as long as the majority of the folks remain presentable. When you get a campus that looks like there is a water shortage due to the lack of showers, then an institution will need to institute a dress code. Student welcome to the board man. Believe me no one is criticizing you or the student body here. We are just expressing opinions. We like you guys and hope this becomes a place where more and more current students come to talk.

[SuperJon]

Apparently Student stole my brain while I was working today. Just a few things:

As for that aspect of it, would you honestly compramise your choice over which college you want to graduate from, over wearing a polo shirt for a couple of hours a day, and keeping your hair trim? I the person that does may need to get their priorities in order.

Yes, I would, and so would many students.

as christians i think we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Explain to me that statement. It makes absolutely no sense to me and makes me think that we're saying Christians are better people than non-Christians. That statement is completely out of right field.

Take the same person and have them take a class A and class B. In class A he dresses up all the way to a tie. In class B he rolls in wearing what he slept in last night. I don't have to tell you which class he will most likely be more productive in (assuming they are of equal difficulty).

I am that person. I did just as good, if not better, wearing gym shorts, a t-shirt, and a hat at Coastal than I did wearing jeans and a polo at Liberty. A friend of mine actually joked one day at Coastal that it was the first time he'd saw me wear jeans sometime in November because I always came to school in windpants or something. There's a good chance I'll be coaching when I get out of school. My "work clothes" will be wind pants and a t-shirt or khaki shorts and a t-shirt.

I'm honestly wondering how many people on here talking about the dress code that have graduated even have a clue about what high school seniors and college underclassmen look at when transferring or picking a college. Had LU kept their old dress code, I never would've been there. There's also a ginormous double standard when it comes to athletes. These people come to school in workout pants and a t-shirt and it's perfectly acceptable. They should have the same sets of rules for everyone. The only reason they let the athletes wear what they want half the time is they know the athlete would probably leave if held to the same dress code, and that's a legitimate reason. It's not 1971 anymore. The people coming through the college ranks are so much different now than even back in the late 90's and early 2000's. For LU to reach what Jerry wants it to reach, the dress code and curfew are going to have to be insanely slacked. The attendence policies are a joke as well. No other college that I know of has the attendence policies that LU does but that's a completely different argument there.

[ATrain]

bigsmooth wrote:
as christians i think we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard.



Explain to me that statement. It makes absolutely no sense to me and makes me think that we're saying Christians are better people than non-Christians. That statement is completely out of right field.

What he's saying is that we shouldn't act like everyone else, we need to act like Christ would. Regarding dress code, I don't think Christ would require people to wear a tie and dress pants to class everyday. Regarding life though, Smoothie does have a very valid argument.