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By Purple Haize
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TDDance234 wrote:
Philonous wrote:For what it's worth, I didn't mean to offend anybody except the Chancellor with my post. So, please forgive me for that. And I didn't mean to offend the Chancellor just for offense's sake; rather, I meant the offense to be the sort that stings at first, but awakens one from his dogmatic slumbers later.
You meant to offend the chancellor of a university by prodding him on an internet message board? Seriously?
Its the new rage among all of the cool ivory tower academics. Duh!!

JLFJR - :wink: another sick day :wink: (UVA tips in 10 mins)
By ATrain
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Anyone else see the irony in that Philonous decries teaching over the internet, yet uses it to try to "offend," someone?

Academia needs to move into the 21st century. One of the biggest benefits to having online courses is that sometimes it forces you to learn how to overcome obstacles such as distance/time zones to accomplish projects. I know Johnson and Johnson, Norfolk Southern, GE, local/state/federal agencies are moving to video conferencing and internet exchanges to accomplish projects and cut down on travel expenses. Students from universities who have been able to prove they did that in the past with coursework will have an advantage over those who do not have the experience.

If any PhD is offended at having to teach an online course, then it is either time for them to retire (I'm going to make the dangerous assumption that most PhDs who would be offended are close to retirement age) or they need to take the blinders off and take a look at how the real world operates now.
By JLFJR
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Purple, I'm feeling better and back at work now but I enjoyed hanging out with you guys yesterday! Thanks for keeping me entertained.

AZJonz - all the best with the new job! Hope to see you at some LU ball games.

ATrain - think you'll make any LCA tennis matches this year? this is Wes's senior year.
By ATrain
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Thanks for the invite, let me know the schedule and I'll try to make one. I should be at the LU women's tennis match this Saturday.
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By Purple Haize
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blwall1416 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:JLFJR - :wink: another sick day :wink: (UVA tips in 10 mins)
Yeah....all 16 people in stands are having a blast.
I know it is sad isn't it? I remember when there used to be generational wait lists for tickets to the tournament. Now it looks easier to sneak into than an LU game!! :o (Think Burr will be working a game this weekend!)
Look forward to catching your avatars show again tonite. It is an instant classic!


ATRAIN - Actually, since they didn't do a good job of it, they sort of made their own point that using the internet is inferior. Besides, doing it live takes more courage, and you can't learn that from a book. (Just ask Roccogrogh)

JLFJR - So now I know where the 65" LED TV's were headed............
By ATrain
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It's not that they made their own point, it could just be that they're incompetent when it comes to using the internet and try to pass it off on inferiority. And as for Roccgroh, can he even read a book to begin with? :lol:
By 4everfsu
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ATrain wrote:It's not that they made their own point, it could just be that they're incompetent when it comes to using the internet and try to pass it off on inferiority. And as for Roccgroh, can he even read a book to begin with? :lol:

Will a coloring book count?
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By Purple Haize
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logic wrote:Resisting change is like holding your breath, if you succeed, you die.
Brought to you by Obama '12. :D
By Hold My Own
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logic wrote:Resisting change is like holding your breath, if you succeed, you die.

Adapt,adapt,adapt.

I'm not sure if I should quote "logic" or who but this quote is brilliant....seriously.

Ok after further review I need to credit Lao Tzu....but thank you for introducing it to me. You now have filled my weekend with studying Taoism though.
By logic
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The chancellor brings up some very valid points regarding change, and I for one am glad that the LU leadership is trying to stay one step ahead of the game. Better to be on the "offensive" and make the defense react to you than be caught "flat footed" to use a FlameFans sports analogy.

Example -

Happening right now, all around the country, governors are drastically cutting state budgets and those cuts are hitting state schools in the mouth. California is a great example.. The presidents of these state schools have been, for the most part, running their schools the same way for 150 years as Jerry has mentioned. They have literally been caught sleeping on the job with these budget cuts and years of leeching off the taxpayers has finally caught up to them. Without this funding their hand has been forced and cuts to academic programs and athletic programs are the result. Relying on a state handout to run a university is near gambling - you roll the dice and expect the money to be there - you lose greatly if suddenly it is not.

The party is over - years of bloated salaries, guaranteed pensions, guaranteed 3% raises, 200% matching 401k plans, and perks that would make most politicians smile have brought the house crashing down. The medicine will be bitter, the cuts will be swift, and many professors at these state juggernauts will be left with only the memory of "the good old days."

I do not know the details regarding these changes at Liberty we speak of, but I trust the leadership (but not blindly) has prayed and thought it through and has made the aforementioned changes with the best interests of the university in mind. Faculty and staff here at Liberty will never be paid as much as their state school brethren, but there comes a certain peace of mind knowing the next round of state budget cuts will not throw them out on the street.

I will leave you with another fantastic quote regarding change -

Albert Einstein once said the definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

I for one am glad Liberty is staying ahead of the curve. Vision, vision, vision.
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By jcmanson
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It's funny because one of my mutual acquaintances has been ranting on facebook the last 12 hours or so about how bad the Online program is. You just can't please everyone
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By Purple Haize
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This thread isn't as much fun now that the "1 and Doner's" have gone :(
By Hold My Own
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And since JLFjr got healthy.

I wonder if he'd let me have his password for a few days....I think I could liven this place back up :D
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By Flamesfanva
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JLFJR wrote:I agree Sly Fox. Ron Godwin is not the issue here yet his credentials have been questioned even though he is a PHD and was the president of two colleges before he came to LU. He has worked hard in recent years to soften his tone and overcome his acknowledged shortcomings. He has nothing to gain by going through a painful restructuring like this in his 70s but he is helping me improve LU because he loves LU and what it stands for.
This was good to read that RG is trying to soften his tone. I remember years ago working for a company that did business with Liberty and hearing RG on a conference call tell us that he had fired his b ----, and asked us when we were going to get rid of ours. I was very disappointed that Doc had someone so close to him that would use such language on a conference call representing the university

I do trust that JLFJR is working on what's best for the university. I graduated during the financial hard times of the early 90's, and remember wondering if my degree would even be worth anything if Liberty went under.

God has blessed Liberty with much and no one (well ... except for those crazy liberals :) ) wants Liberty to fall back to the days of financial difficulty. My prayer is that the Lord will grant him and the other leaders of Liberty wisdom as they continue to honor the Lord through the success of Liberty.
By VoiceInWilderness
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JLFJR wrote:I agree Sly Fox. Ron Godwin is not the issue here yet his credentials have been questioned even though he is a PHD and was the president of two colleges before he came to LU.
This was good to read that RG is trying to soften his tone. I remember years ago working for a company that did business with Liberty and hearing RG on a conference call tell us that he had fired his b ----, and asked us when we were going to get rid of ours. I was very disappointed that Doc had someone so close to him that would use such language on a conference call representing the university
I've heard similar things from business people in my church. RG doesn't have an exactly stellar reputation around town. And for many of the faculty, RG's qualifications to be Provost, as opposed to Vice Chancellor, may well be questioned. Being the President of a college typically means you have a knowledge of business and can raise money. Being a Provost means you have an intimate knowledge of academics, which is a far different thing. In other words, no one questions his business qualifications, but many tend to question his academic qualifications--RG's PhD is in management, and he has never done any research or taught extensively. That doesn't mean he isn't smart, it just means he may not totally understand what professors do on a day to day level.

A friend of mine is a retired Air Force officer, and when I told him about what was going on at Liberty he just shook his head and said, "You don't put a munitions officer in charge of operations--they'll get people killed. They count bullets and would rather send the boys out with half a cartridge just to make sure they don't use too many." Godwin may understand what makes a business a good business, but some question if he understands what makes a college a good college.

On his tone, I fear the vast majority of the faculty believe his disdain for them is heart felt, and his making nice-nice is what's feigned. Sort of like watching a horse sing the national anthem--it doesn't quite fit (everyone knows they'd rather sing "America the Beautiful" :D ). His greatest disdain seems reserved for the pure academics--the ones that love research. Those folk wonder how someone who dislikes researchers can be the chief academic, since after all, research is just a love of learning.

Philonius's posts were an embarrassment to anyone with sense (never heard of a flamer apologizing afterward, though :dontgetit ), but I can understand their desire for anonymity. A professor that's been here for a very long time who is decidedly not one of the liberals you mention, said he never posts anything in the mass-reply emails because he's seen RG be the ruin of many a good man over something said that offended him.

JLFJR's point about the old model of researchers off in Madagascar while their TAs teach for them is well taken--extremely few at Liberty think that's a good idea. However, can't researchers be champions for Christ, too? If we didn't have them, where would ICR, Summit, or Answers in Genesis be? Makes sense to have more to me. I don't think it's the university's job to supply academic welfare, but encouraging researcher types in what they do could reap huge benefits in the long run: texts with a Biblical worldview, more scholars to combat on a C.S.Lewis/Ravi Zacharias/Henry Morris/David Noeble/Josh McDowell/James Dobson level (not to mention the Apostle Paul & Augustine were scholars before they were Christians and God used that element mightily), and having scholars around would also enhance Liberty's academic reputation. I've heard many a scholar moan that research is not encouraged, publication is not rejoiced over, and it is not thought to benefit the classroom. If we only rely on what other people say, how do we know it's reliable? Self-serving "studies" should always be suspect, primary sources always trump secondary sources--that's why you do research, to find the truth.

No easy answers, I'm sure, but balancing the profit/loss margin with the type of business you're running would seem to make sense to me.
By 4everfsu
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Flamesfanva wrote:
JLFJR wrote:I agree Sly Fox. Ron Godwin is not the issue here yet his credentials have been questioned even though he is a PHD and was the president of two colleges before he came to LU. He has worked hard in recent years to soften his tone and overcome his acknowledged shortcomings. He has nothing to gain by going through a painful restructuring like this in his 70s but he is helping me improve LU because he loves LU and what it stands for.
This was good to read that RG is trying to soften his tone. I remember years ago working for a company that did business with Liberty and hearing RG on a conference call tell us that he had fired his b ----, and asked us when we were going to get rid of ours. I was very disappointed that Doc had someone so close to him that would use such language on a conference call representing the university

I do trust that JLFJR is working on what's best for the university. I graduated during the financial hard times of the early 90's, and remember wondering if my degree would even be worth anything if Liberty went under.

God has blessed Liberty with much and no one (well ... except for those crazy liberals :) ) wants Liberty to fall back to the days of financial difficulty. My prayer is that the Lord will grant him and the other leaders of Liberty wisdom as they continue to honor the Lord through the success of Liberty.

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By phoenix
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OK, I have to jump on my soapbox here for a moment -- to the haters out there, online/distance education is going to become the norm withing the next decade. You can either complain about it's shortcomings or work to help it improve. Personally, as someone who was able to finish his undergrad thanks to LUSLLL (now I'm dating myself) and videotaped lectures, I love the changes that have taken place at LU. Liberty has really been groundbreaking in it's use of e-learning, and I think that this innovation will only help the school in the long run. The only thing that is holding online education back is the inability of some to see beyond the way things have always been done; our recent three-post wonder is certainly in that category :evil: I've done both, with highly qualified instructors, and the only thing I really missed in the distance learning experience was the close interaction with my professors. This is why I like the intensives that LU offers so much; it provides the opportunity for students to interact with each other and their professors.

Teaching online classes is certainly different; I mentioned before that you can't just take a traditional course and stick it on the Internet and expect it to work. It takes effort and planning to put a class online and make it work -- something that is done with varying degrees of success even at LU Online today. Personally, I'd be pretty excited about having the opportunity to be part of the pioneering stage of an entirely new paradigm in education.

{edit to add}I also wish someone would tell my professors that you can't assign 10-12 page writing assignments in an online class. I have at a paper of at least that length in each class I've had, if I wasn't having to keep a regular journal (only 4 -6 pages per week) or write unit plans. My wife, in her accounting program, has regular research papers to write in her classes, so I don't know where the whole "no writing in distance learning" thing comes from.
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By 01LUGrad
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As a classroom teacher, I understand the desire to interact with students. There is no substitute for being able to look at the faces in the classroom to make sure they are with you as you teach. Good teachers adjust their lessons to reach the students where they are. That isn't really possible in an online environment, at least not in the same way.

That being said, I have had to take 2 online courses for recertification. In the first course, the professor was not really available and put in minimum hours so he could collect his paycheck. In the second, the professor was completely engaged and spent an incredible amount of time answering the students' questions and took the time to make the class a true learning experience. Needless to say, I enjoyed the second course much more and got a lot more out of it.

Good professors who teach online courses do have an impact on the learning environment of the "classroom" in the same way that traditional teachers do.
By Hold My Own
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Really? I imagine that is a pretty sensitive/private thing. If you have a favorite professor I'm sure you could shoot them an email asking if they will be teaching a course you would like to take in the future...other then that I doubt anything will be published. Or during the sign up period search for classes which should have a prof assigned (I think).
By JLFJR
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Thank you for your vote of confidence, BYDuke. These changes in the PHIL department resulted from a very productive meeting we had this Spring with the PHIL faculty. There were other similar arrangements made to address the concerns of faculty in other departments. Part of the problem was a breakdown in communication between administration and faculty. We identified where the communication problems were and changes have been made that should prevent that from happening again.

As for your statement about my employees, Liberty has over 5200 employees now and I can promise you they are all perfect! :wink:

Hope to see you at a football game again this Fall.
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By alabama24
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JLFJR wrote:
As for your statement about my employees, Liberty has over 5200 employees now and I can promise you they are all perfect! :wink:
Chancellor Falwell -

My wife is one of the 5200 and I think she is perfect too. :)

By the way, I wanted to thank you for your moving comments at commencement about spouses. My wife has been a very big support to me, and she has sacrificed a great deal to help me develop my ministry skills.
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By FigurinItOut
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alabama24 wrote:
JLFJR wrote:
As for your statement about my employees, Liberty has over 5200 employees now and I can promise you they are all perfect! :wink:
Chancellor Falwell -

My wife is one of the 5200 and I think she is perfect too. :)

By the way, I wanted to thank you for your moving comments at commencement about spouses. My wife has been a very big support to me, and she has sacrificed a great deal to help me develop my ministry skills.
The chancellor's mistaken about just one of his employees because I'm one and am far from perfect. Don Redden's suggestion that the chancellor begin the tradition of honoring spouses at commencement was certainly perfect!
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