This is the definitive place to discuss everything that makes life on & off campus so unique in Central Virginia.

Are you concerned for Liberty's future?

40
74%
14
26%
User avatar
By adam42381
#540424
ballah09 wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
LUconn wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/26/exclusive-jerry-falwell-jr-endorses-judge-roy-moore-for-u-s-senate/

Alternate headline: "Virginia resident endorses candidate in Alabama senate race."


Because he's only representing himself, right?

I wonder if Jr. walks this back or doubles down?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... story.html

EDIT: Clarity.


yeah right

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/359779-falwell-jr-stands-by-moore-i-believe-the-judge-is-telling-the

gross.

He really is the worst. What a shame.
By Yacht Rock
#540451
Purple Haize wrote:I am separating the 2 But there is a huge different between being allowed to hang out on your own and being put in the care of a complete stranger.
If there were crazy things going on with the family that made the child easy prey, and Moore were truly a predator, this wouldn’t be an isolated incident with her but ongoing. Much longer and many more times than alleged
If the mother was involved in a Custody Dispute I would think having a stranger watch the person you want custody of?
The way the now woman describes the way the alleged assault took place also doesn’t sound genuine.
Finally there are all of the ancillary issues of motivation, timing etc.
so I am separating several of the issues


Sadly, like I said, I've seen so many scenarios like this play out in the system. The example of my cousin was just a family member but outside of that, with people who I don't know personally, I've seen situations like the one described play out.

I'm glad that you haven't seen parents act in this manner but there are a lot of parents that make terrible decisions on a regular basis. If you talk to a family law representative or a social worker, you might find that the mother's actions aren't unbelievable.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540462
Yacht Rock wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:I am separating the 2 But there is a huge different between being allowed to hang out on your own and being put in the care of a complete stranger.
If there were crazy things going on with the family that made the child easy prey, and Moore were truly a predator, this wouldn’t be an isolated incident with her but ongoing. Much longer and many more times than alleged
If the mother was involved in a Custody Dispute I would think having a stranger watch the person you want custody of?
The way the now woman describes the way the alleged assault took place also doesn’t sound genuine.
Finally there are all of the ancillary issues of motivation, timing etc.
so I am separating several of the issues


Sadly, like I said, I've seen so many scenarios like this play out in the system. The example of my cousin was just a family member but outside of that, with people who I don't know personally, I've seen situations like the one described play out.

I'm glad that you haven't seen parents act in this manner but there are a lot of parents that make terrible decisions on a regular basis. If you talk to a family law representative or a social worker, you might find that the mother's actions aren't unbelievable.


I’ve seen parents act in the most reprehensible way. I’ve been involved with DCS, Social Workers, Law Enforcement, Lawyers etc. I just find this scenario difficult to believe. I would be more apt to believe it if the Mom pimped her daughter out or this alleged abuse happened more then she says. He she had left her with her dealer or pimp I would buy it.
This isn’t the deciding factor for me in this situation. But it does end up in the ‘Makes me skeptical ‘ column
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540471
Yacht Rock wrote:Sadly I’ve seen a lot of cases where parents leave their kids with strangers.


I am not sure the ones I known would consider their dealer a stranger.
By ALAFlamesFan
#540664 And now a word from Cal Thomas.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/ ... alism.html
By rhezick
#540718 Wow great article. Insane this idiot is being considered for a Senate seat. Here's another article from George Will. If I was a resident of Alabama, Doug Jones would have my vote in a heartbeat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/roy-moore-is-an-embarrassment-doug-jones-deserves-to-win/2017/11/13/0dcb24e2-c89b-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540722
rhezick wrote:Wow great article. Insane this idiot is being considered for a Senate seat. Here's another article from George Will. If I was a resident of Alabama, Doug Jones would have my vote in a heartbeat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/roy-moore-is-an-embarrassment-doug-jones-deserves-to-win/2017/11/13/0dcb24e2-c89b-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html


George Will has lost a lot of credibility. He is a firm Never Trumper. In fact I don’t think he listens to any music that has Trumpets in it.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540739
rhezick wrote:Are credibility and the unwavering support of Trump a mandated link? More specific to this thread, does that logic also apply to our own dear leader as well?


When you have a sect of people who’s sole ambition is to derail someone on their own ‘Side’ they lose credibility. They are no different than the WaPo or NYT who declared their purpose pose to be to derail Trump and their reporting reflects that. George Will is wicked smart. But his analysis when it comes to all things Trump is tainted by his bias
By ballcoach15
#540746 There is only 1 democrat in the country that I would vote for, Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.

If I was still living in Alabama, there's no way I would vote for Doug Jones. Judge Roy Moore would get my vote.
By JK37
#540748 You don’t have to like a person to vote for them. Nor does voting for them mean that one endorses everything they do.

Politics is messy. People never like seeing how the sausage is made. Capitalism is messy and mean and nasty. But it’s the best we’ve got.
User avatar
By Jonathan Carone
#540763
JK37 wrote:You don’t have to like a person to vote for them. Nor does voting for them mean that one endorses everything they do.

Politics is messy. People never like seeing how the sausage is made. Capitalism is messy and mean and nasty. But it’s the best we’ve got.


But we'd all be better off if we held them to the standard of no sexual assault of underage girls, right? Can we at least agree on that part?
User avatar
By adam42381
#540764
Jonathan Carone wrote:
JK37 wrote:You don’t have to like a person to vote for them. Nor does voting for them mean that one endorses everything they do.

Politics is messy. People never like seeing how the sausage is made. Capitalism is messy and mean and nasty. But it’s the best we’ve got.


But we'd all be better off if we held them to the standard of no sexual assault of underage girls, right? Can we at least agree on that part?

I think there are plenty of people who would vote for a literal child molester if it meant keeping a Democrat from winning.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540765
adam42381 wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:
JK37 wrote:You don’t have to like a person to vote for them. Nor does voting for them mean that one endorses everything they do.

Politics is messy. People never like seeing how the sausage is made. Capitalism is messy and mean and nasty. But it’s the best we’ve got.


But we'd all be better off if we held them to the standard of no sexual assault of underage girls, right? Can we at least agree on that part?

I think there are plenty of people who would vote for a literal child molester if it meant keeping a Democrat from winning.


Or Republican. Or Trumpian
User avatar
By LUminary
#540767
Jonathan Carone wrote:
JK37 wrote:You don’t have to like a person to vote for them. Nor does voting for them mean that one endorses everything they do.

Politics is messy. People never like seeing how the sausage is made. Capitalism is messy and mean and nasty. But it’s the best we’ve got.


But we'd all be better off if we held them to the standard of no sexual assault of underage girls, right? Can we at least agree on that part?


Totally agree, IF the person is guilty of it. That's the part that a lot of people are ignoring in this case. Smoke doesn't always = fire, especially when the timing of the charges is suspect - many years later and in the midst of a political race. Unfortunately, Trump haters and folks on the left automatically assume Moore is guilty. And maybe he is. Given the number of accusers, maybe he is. But who knows? Voters aren't likely to know by the time they step into the booth, which makes it difficult unless they assume he's guilty (or innocent) without really knowing.
By rhezick
#540773 Wonder how many will change their tune now that the almighty Hannity has urged Moore to step down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/15/even-sean-hannity-has-had-it-with-roy-moore-gives-him-24-hours-to-explain-inconsistencies/
By ALAFlamesFan
#540800 Another great take from a guy i am proud to call a friend.

https://nyti.ms/2juXAwB
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540801
ALAFlamesFan wrote:Another great take from a guy i am proud to call a friend.

https://nyti.ms/2juXAwB


Defend no matter what? Interesting phrase.
By Yacht Rock
#540821 Sadly, it’s common for a lot of assaults or harassment to go unreported. If people feel they are the only victim, they may feel that no one will believe them (which is what we see happening). We are taking a turn as a society but there are many, many, many things that have been done to women, men, girls, boys, that never see the light of day. It doesn’t mean they didn’t happen though and when someone decides it’s time to speak up, good for them.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540829
Yacht Rock wrote:Sadly, it’s common for a lot of assaults or harassment to go unreported. If people feel they are the only victim, they may feel that no one will believe them (which is what we see happening). We are taking a turn as a society but there are many, many, many things that have been done to women, men, girls, boys, that never see the light of day. It doesn’t mean they didn’t happen though and when someone decides it’s time to speak up, good for them.


That’s where your narrative doesn’t fit this story. IF the takes are to be believed EVERYONE knew so these girls, if they truly felt violated, would have known they are not the only ones.
By Yacht Rock
#540831 Who knows if the same people who thought he was a creep talked with the people who were allegedly assaulted, etc. Don’t have a board up in my house with pictures and thread connecting everyone. Growing up in a small town myself, there are times when the things people thing everyone knew, not everyone really knew. In some ways it’s not unlike what’s going on in Hollywood though. The casting couch has been a joke for decades and now, all of these stories are coming to light. Things happen and people don’t want to talk about them and it happens a lot.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#540833
Yacht Rock wrote:Who knows if the same people who thought he was a creep talked with the people who were allegedly assaulted, etc. Don’t have a board up in my house with pictures and thread connecting everyone. Growing up in a small town myself, there are times when the things people thing everyone knew, not everyone really knew. In some ways it’s not unlike what’s going on in Hollywood though. The casting couch has been a joke for decades and now, all of these stories are coming to light. Things happen and people don’t want to talk about them and it happens a lot.


Fair enough. But listening to news reports you wouldn’t need a board up in your house ‘everyone knew’. So I agree to a point. Maybe everyone didn’t know because there was nothing to know. At least nothing illegal
User avatar
By Sly Fox
#541416 Taking a look at pics of the new bridge, I was reminded to check the latest version of the Master Plan. We are maximizing every piece of flat ground that we currently own.
User avatar
By Jonathan Carone
#543030 At what point does Jerry’s politics actually hurt the school? He’s now attached the Attorney General. It feels like he’s gonna my to make a lot of enemies and if/when his friend isn’t in the White House, it could turn around and bite the school in the butt. People hold grudges and if they decide to come after him, I’m concerned what could come of that.
User avatar
By adam42381
#543036
Jonathan Carone wrote:At what point does Jerry’s politics actually hurt the school? He’s now attached the Attorney General. It feels like he’s gonna my to make a lot of enemies and if/when his friend isn’t in the White House, it could turn around and bite the school in the butt. People hold grudges and if they decide to come after him, I’m concerned what could come of that.

He doesn’t care.
By BuryYourDuke
#543035 While I know the tone and people skills are quite different, let's not pretend that Doc didn't have plenty of powerful political enemies...at a time when the school was much more vulnerable.

I mean, he was on tv every day hocking videos accusing the Clintons of murdering people...
User avatar
By TH Spangler
#543049
Sly Fox wrote:Taking a look at pics of the new bridge, I was reminded to check the latest version of the Master Plan. We are maximizing every piece of flat ground that we currently own.


:D Now that is reason for concern! :lol:
By cruzan_flame13
#543055
BuryYourDuke wrote:While I know the tone and people skills are quite different, let's not pretend that Doc didn't have plenty of powerful political enemies...at a time when the school was much more vulnerable.

I mean, he was on tv every day hocking videos accusing the Clintons of murdering people...



But the Clinton’s did have people eliminated though, so what does that tell you? There’s more that’s going on that we all don’t see. People can say things are at risk, but this country has been at risk for decades now. So the things that are not going along with that agenda will always be portrayed as concerns even in the church. Am I saying that Jerry Jr. and even our president is perfect? No. Even though I may not agree with some things, I can see a bigger picture( with the help of research) of things that are occurring and see how Trump and even JF Jr. is a threat to the status quo of political correctness.
By ballah09
#543057
BuryYourDuke wrote:While I know the tone and people skills are quite different, let's not pretend that Doc didn't have plenty of powerful political enemies...at a time when the school was much more vulnerable.

I mean, he was on tv every day hocking videos accusing the Clintons of murdering people...


True but social media is a lot different. Today its a lot more powerful.

I do think he's hurting the school. It's eventually going to hurt recruiting potential students and student athletes. Going to hurt future employment for grads. It may be not happening now but it will with the path he's going.

Recently I heard Lecrae pulled out of winterfest refusing to come back to Liberty until Jr is out. A lot of people in Reach records as well. I don't know if this is true or not.
Last edited by ballah09 on December 15th, 2017, 5:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
By cruzan_flame13
#543061
ballah09 wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote:While I know the tone and people skills are quite different, let's not pretend that Doc didn't have plenty of powerful political enemies...at a time when the school was much more vulnerable.

I mean, he was on tv every day hocking videos accusing the Clintons of murdering people...


True but social media is a lot different. Today its a lot more powerful.

I do think he's hurting the school. It's eventually going to hurt recruiting potential attracting students and student athletes. Going to hurt future employment for grads. It may be not happening now but it will with the path he's going.

Recently I heard Lecrae pulled out of winterfest refusing to come back to Liberty until Jr is out. A lot of people in Reach records as well. I don't know if this is true or not.



Honestly that’s fine. Have you heard these musician’s music? It’s pretty inaccurate, especially on the issue of violence. They make a small percentile of police brutality a main issue in America, when in reality the statistics show otherwise. Being a minority in the U.S., I see these brothers (and sisters) of Christ deceiving people and connecting it to the Word. Hopefully this is not true because that would be childish. Honestly propaganda and false information can change a person’s perspective and make these falsehoods “reality.”
By BuryYourDuke
#543065 This is at risk of becoming a major aside, but I wouldn't want LU to be associated with Lecrae or Reach at this point.

I used to be a huge fan of both. But in the past 2 years or so Lecrae has totally gone off the rails. He's essentially a black liberation theology guy now. Verses defending the black panthers, stuff like that. Not so great. Really seems like he is doing his best to ditch any connection to evangelical orthodoxy. The Black Lives Matter movement has probably led a lot of folks astray, but Lecrae is seen as an influential Christian leader in a lot of circles. Now he is doing the leading astray.

So I'm not surprised he doesn't want to come to LU anymore.
User avatar
By ElmersTwin
#543201
BuryYourDuke wrote:This is at risk of becoming a major aside, but I wouldn't want LU to be associated with Lecrae or Reach at this point.

I used to be a huge fan of both. But in the past 2 years or so Lecrae has totally gone off the rails. He's essentially a black liberation theology guy now. Verses defending the black panthers, stuff like that. Not so great. Really seems like he is doing his best to ditch any connection to evangelical orthodoxy. The Black Lives Matter movement has probably led a lot of folks astray, but Lecrae is seen as an influential Christian leader in a lot of circles. Now he is doing the leading astray.

So I'm not surprised he doesn't want to come to LU anymore.


Lecrae manages to lead people astray, yet the likes of Moore and his perversion of evangelicalism do not? Easy there.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#543212
thepostman wrote:Moore and Trump are cool but Lecrae, who has literally not changed his message, isn't. Got it

Don't want them hip hoppers perverting the kids.


You just made me feeel old
By BuryYourDuke
#543223 Has nothing to do with hip hop. Has everything to do with indoctrinating impressionable youth group kids with cultural marxist ideas under the premise of "Christian hip hop".

If you don't think Lecrae has changed his message, you aren't paying attention. The difference is significant, and I'm not the only one who has noticed. Heck, there have been articles from the left cheering the change.

The degree to which Russell Moore's blend of doctrinal "conservatism" mixed with liberal social justice and race baiting have permeated the conservative church, and even this board, disgust me.
By thepostman
#543239 I'd argue that if you think Lecrae has changed his message you haven't paid attention to him. He is obviously misguided but I still believe Christians flocking to politicians like Trump is much more dangerous than young people listening to a rap artist.
By flamehunter
#543240 I believe the vast majority of Christians know exactly who Trump is and what he is. If they get their world view or theology from him they are idiots. Lecrae on the other hand is close enough to the truth to possibly lead a lot of young people astray. I admit I haven't followed him recently, but my argument is to watch out for the one who is closer to the truth than the one who is saying a few things that people want to hear for political purposes only. You know that whole wolf in sheep's clothing thing. I don't know if that applies to him or not.
User avatar
By Purple Haize
#543241
thepostman wrote:I'd argue that if you think Lecrae has changed his message you haven't paid attention to him. He is obviously misguided but I still believe Christians flocking to politicians like Trump is much more dangerous than young people listening to a rap artist.


Who are these Christians flocking to Trump for Spiritual enrichment?
User avatar
By ElmersTwin
#543249
BuryYourDuke wrote:Has nothing to do with hip hop. Has everything to do with indoctrinating impressionable youth group kids with cultural marxist ideas under the premise of "Christian hip hop".

If you don't think Lecrae has changed his message, you aren't paying attention. The difference is significant, and I'm not the only one who has noticed. Heck, there have been articles from the left cheering the change.

The degree to which Russell Moore's blend of doctrinal "conservatism" mixed with liberal social justice and race baiting have permeated the conservative church, and even this board, disgust me.


Contrary to popular opinion, but just because someone is willing to call out a group of people who stand idly by on social issues doesn't necessarily mean they've changed their message or that they're race baiting.