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By Sly Fox
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From the fishwrap:
Liberty University explores distance learning

By Ron Brown
rbrown@newsadvance.com
September 2, 2006


Back in 1985, the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Ron Godwin and Bill Paul, a Liberty University vice president, scratched out an idea on a napkin.

And within hours, the Liberty University School of LifeLong Learning - a pioneering, videotaped, at-home education program - was born.

“Dr. Falwell was so intrigued with the idea that he was soon on the telephone to the head of the SACS (the Southern Association of College and Schools, an agency that accredits colleges in 11 states),” said Godwin, now LU’s chief operating officer.

SACS officials agreed to meet with Falwell in Atlanta later that day.

“He gained permission to create a pilot program,” Godwin said.

What was once an idea discussed over breakfast at a now-defunct Howard Johnson motel restaurant has become a school that will this year serve about 16,000 students from 200 countries and most states.

Now, the Liberty University School of Distance Learning may be headed beyond Falwell’s original 25,000-student goal.

“In three years, we’re going to be very near 50,000 students,” Falwell said. “We’re just getting the machinery together to go.”

The federal government recently removed a restriction that disallowed a college’s distance-learning enrollment to top its residential student enrollment. The distance-learning program uses the Internet to bring instruction to students from all over the world.

About one-third of the enrolled students are in the military.

“Over the years, the program has been growing steadily,” Godwin said.

“We’re planning significantly greater enrollment growth this year and going forward. We are going to not only grow our head count, but we also plan to grow the number of credit hours our students will take. We want to apply the personnel and assets necessary to dramatically grow our distance-learning enrollment.”

Some studies have shown an estimated 70 million Americans are interested in distance-learning education, Godwin said.

“There’s a huge market out there,” he said.

For many adults seeking a college education, the goal is to get more pay for the work they do.

“There is a direct correlation between one more degree and a larger salary,” Godwin said.

The average age of a distance-learning student is 34 years old.

“These people have a job. They have a family. They have a mortgage,” Godwin said. “They are looking for a better life and better lifestyle and more career options. They can’t come back to campus. They can’t turn back the clock. They can acquire a degree through this particular avenue of study.”

Still, the program is a work in progress and needs tweaking to meet its students needs.

This spring, Godwin became aware that the distance-learning program offered only one complete course of study leading to a degree.

He decided that more than a master’s degree in business administration would need to be offered if the distance-learning program was going to grow.

School officials determined that if 81 courses could be offered via Internet, the school could offer 30 online degree programs instead of one.

The course titles range from accounting to nursing to Christian leadership. Students can earn anything from an associate’s to a master’s degree.

To make its Internet courses work, the school “hijacked” a department of campus computer technicians and used them over the summer to develop online courses.

“We created a computer course assembly line,” Godwin said. “In the course of one summer, we took 81 traditional courses and transposed them to online, interactive courses.”

More students meant a need for more faculty. Another 120 instructors were added after being recruited by an Atlanta firm run by a LU graduate.

“We have a virtual army now of about 250 adjunct faculty, who are teaching these online courses,” said Ron Hawkins, vice provost for distance learning and graduate programs. “About 125 of these people are at a distance from us. They are in Texas and California and other places. Our computer experts are helping them to interface with these online courses and monitoring their success.”

Over the summer, all courses were put into an identical format using Blackboard software, which essentially standardizes the way that course material is presented.

“The programs we’ve developed for Internet delivery are highly interactive,” Hawkins said. “Now, all courses are presented in the same way. By the time you do one of these courses, you’ll say, ‘Hey, I know what I’m doing.’ It’s replicated over and over. It provides continuity across courses and across curriculum. The students tell us time and again, ‘It’s so wonderful to be comfortable with this.’”

Students can get feedback from other students by entering an online discussion board focusing on class material or receive test results almost instantaneously on their home computers.

Student convenience is part of the equation in building a successful distance-learning program.

This year, students are able to register for courses and work out payment plans online.

Nine associate deans, specifically designated for online curriculums, now report directly to Hawkins.

Beyond faculty members, the school employs 150 people, who are specifically assigned to attend to online students’ needs.

“We’ve reorganized the organizational chart of the school,” Godwin said. “We now have a team that is completely focused on growing the distance learning programs and developing the quality of service. Our goal is grow this as rapidly and aggressively as we can while maintaining a quality service to our students.”

Ron Kennedy, the executive director of the distance-learning program, oversees day-to-day operations.

The support staff includes advisors, admission personnel, recruiters and marketers. They are located on the second floor of LU’s North Campus, which is housed in the renovated former Ericsson plant.

“We have about 42 to 44 full-time admissions counselors that handle graduate and undergraduate students,” Kennedy said. “They handle the student from the time he or she inquires about the program and say that want additional information.”

The admissions counselors try to convert those inquiries into actual applications for enrollment.

Students pay about $250 per credit hour for undergraduate courses. Graduate courses cost an average of $365 per credit hour.

Godwin said the distance-learning program simply makes good business sense.

“It is not as capital-intensive and infrastructure-intensive as residential enrollment,” he said. “We make substantially more net income from distance-learning students than we do from residential students.”

The school expects to take in about $50 million from distance-learning students this year.

Falwell said the distance-learning program could be a key ingredient for the 35-year-old school to build an endowment.

“The university resident program is always a drag on the cash,” he said. “It takes more money to educate young people on campus than their tuition and room and board fees will pay. Distance learning is different. We don’t have to build any buildings or feed the students. With distance learning, there is a substantial bottom line. If we get a strong enough distance-learning program going here, it can contribute greatly to the building of our permanent endowment. ”

Hawkins, the vice provost, said LU’s core values will remain part of the program as it grows.

“The most exciting thing about this is that Liberty has always been about equipping people to properly represent the Lord Jesus and evangelizing the lost and penetrating the culture,” he said. “What gets me up every day is the knowledge that, through our distance-learning program, we are involved with an ever-expanding number of people whose lives are going to be touched and transformed by the spirit of Liberty.”
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By PeterParker
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Two things:

1. It is good to see that they have upgraded the distance learning technology, my brother-in-law took a distance course in late May, and was sent a huge box of VHS tapes to watch as the "course", so I am gald to see the commitment to using the latest technology so LU doesn't look like the hillbillies of distance ed, since they basically helped pioneer it in the early days.

2. While the profit margin is great for this method of delivery, I hope that they will not see dollar signs over adhering to a standard of quality for the courses (i.e. signing people up and passing them through so that they will take more classes just to make more money off of them. This has the potential, if not done correctly, to dilute the very image of quality that LU is fighting hard to maintain among it's peer institutions. LU should take care to avoid the stigma that has clouded some of the for-profit online education orgnanizations as subpar. They should make sure to make the courses rigorous to match as closely as is possible the same course that is offered on campus.
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By Sly Fox
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Your spider senses must be tingling because both of your points were dead on.

The technology aspect had been of real concern to me as I see those clunky VHS tapes being sold on eBay.
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By TallyW
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PeterParker--- Good points.

I've been doing Masters work on DLP and even took two undergrad classes before I gradauted back in the day...

1. Jonathan owns a distribution company where the tapes and dvds are made. I'm sure he can turn that company around to be more of a tech-heavy company... but it is my understanding that the tapes were done with his business. I'm not saying that is the reason it's been a slow transition... but I for one wouldn't be shocked. Obviously though there has been a transition taking place.

I took a statistics class years ago via University of Florida and it was fantastic. Each week I could watch the class at a specific time (it was taped live during a real class on Monday and I could watch on Tuesday, etc.) The connectivity to the profs was equal and the techonolgy was very similar (a lot of schools use blackboard).

2. This COULD be a problem for any university but I do personally know that the work is challenging. (At least for me it has been). With a residential program you have to be at class at certain times on certain dates to get the material. By having all of the tapes you can put it off far too often. This really challenges the student to stay on top of their coursework. It is a different type of challenge than residential but it is challenging none the less. Also the other thing lost is the ability to learn from other students as they ask questions. If the prof is unclear on some point, you can't goldmine them to completely get it.


Overall the quality is improving but I do agree these are two common challenges for any institution using this technology. The exciting thing is that in the scope of thing, Distance Learning is still in its infancy. This article is another example of how I feel Dr. Falwell is a forward thinker and why LU may survive being a strong Christian University for the long haul and not go the way of other Christian-founded schools who have gone secular.
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By TallyW
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By the way, I was at LU this weekend... (now I'm in Maryland for a wedding) and there is a big banner on "main street" that says happy birthday Jonathan! So... happy birthday to Jonathan :)
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By El Scorcho
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To make its Internet courses work, the school “hijacked” a department of campus computer technicians and used them over the summer to develop online courses.
Uh, no. Not quite. It's interesting to see that that's what they think they did, but that's not how it happened. There's an entire department in IS dedicated to developing the systems and platforms that run the university, and another dedicated to running them once they've passed the development phase. They have no need to "hijack" anything. I guess it sounds more dramatic that way.

Also, "computer technicians" fix desktop machines. None of the people in either of those departments should be classified as "computer technicians". They're IT professionals of the highest caliber. Systems administrators, network engineers, etc. There's some real ignorance about technology and what it takes to utilize it in the upper echelons of this school. :evil:

I should stop talking now.
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By Purple Haize
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Distance learning is the wave of the future. Just about every College and University has a program and it is a fantastic way to finish a degree or get another one. I echo the "Paper Mill" concern and am glad they are updating the technology. (I do not believe the rumors of BETA tapes being available)
The only concern I have is on the other end of the spectrum. What about the Prof' s who are teaching the class? How will they be compensated. IT takes a lot of effort to put these classes together for the tape. The old method of having a vid cam in your room for a semester is sort of outdated and does not allow you to keep up with any types of changes. (I know SEVERAL of my lectures would be a lot different now based on developments and changes) Also, there is the added evaluation of students who have a more flexible course deadline. FInally, as a professor, your information can be argued to be proprietary and therefore any reproduction for outside gain should come only at your permission and/or compensation. This does not happen, as of yet, at LU. In fact, unless it has changed in the last year or so, there are two courses being offered by someone who is dead. Very difficult to get help on those.
I do like the idea of being "ON LINE" during your lecture periods where you can pipe them in through the web, with a replay later in the week. That would make life a lot easier.
But, bottom line, I would be interested in seeing how they are going to comensate the Prof's for this. Will it be an "overload" per student or course?
By phoenix
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I got my undergrad through EDP (I was actually enrolled way back when it was still LUSLLL). Last few clases I took (in 2003 -- BIG lag between when I started and when I finished, long story) I got to keep the tapes. I'll probably put them in the church library -- I've got Church History I and II and Inductive Bible Study. Somewhere I have Acts, but I'm not sure where those went.
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By PeterParker
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I am concerned about the potential to sacrifice the quality standards (in relation to content/delivery, student admission, etc.) in the distance ed program for the green monster, which will have an effect on the reputation of our degree. The potential "diploma mill" reputation and recent evidence of lack of adherence to admissions protocol concerns me, especially in light of the article over in the Chapel section of this forum concerning the "lying on resume" thread. In that article I am more alarmed at the information that came to light concerning LU's admission discrepancies and the evidence of disdain for free speech and inquiry voiced by LU's representatives whose poor business practices were exposed (very reminiscent of the response and disdain for the media that businessmen have voiced when a shady practice has been uncovered.)

See: (especially quotes in second article)

http://flamefans.com/viewtopic.php?t=1789
By phoenix
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Those discrepancies weren't LU, they were from LTS. LU's degree isn't cheapened by anything that happens at the seminary.

There are too many places using Distance Learning anymore to have it negatively impact the on-campus program. I'm ignoring 'University' of Phoenix here -- a majority of major universities are offering coursework via distance learning. Most aren't offering a degree program where the majority of coursework is DL, but none of them have LU's background in DL. LU did have problems connected with LUSLLL in the past, but they've learned from the experience and have improved the product.
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By PeterParker
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Those discrepancies weren't LU, they were from LTS. LU's degree isn't cheapened by anything that happens at the seminary.
The association is negative, so it can impact the overall reputation since the LTS is a part of Liberty University and bears the namesake (the situation casts doubt and a shadow on the other LU programs, even if it unwarranted toward those other programs.)

There are too many places using Distance Learning anymore to have it negatively impact the on-campus program.

It can if the online version associated with that organization does not adhere to high standards that are not undermined simply by trying to stockpile as many students as possible because of the cashflow it generates. I am a proponent of distance education, yet it must be done with the high quality issue as the non-negotiable element. Many schools have taken steps to ensure that the courses are interactive and they try to replicate as closely as is possible the content and accountability as the on-campus version, this is all I expect of the LU version. If this is how LU is approaching it, great; if not, then I would hope that they would focus their attention on accomplishing that. My point is that simply seeing these courses as a way to easy money is a potential pandora's box of problems and conflicts of interests where quality has the potential of being sacrificed on the altar of easy cash.
a majority of major universities are offering coursework via distance learning. Most aren't offering a degree program where the majority of coursework is DL
As a side note, there are actually many DL degree programs that the majority if not all of the work is done through the distance model from accredited and well-known brick and mortar schools. (VT offers several, University of Florida offers many, though the MBA requires going once a term to take tests on-campus, Florida State, among others.)
By Blessed1
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I will be graduating from a for-profit college (Axia College) in March. Even though they are under the U of Phoenix branch, they have a good program. My only concern is that people are constantly leaving. Thus far, I have had 3 academic advisors!

I looked at U of Florida, but you have to go to the testing center to take your test...in Florida. That's kind of hard when you live in Maryland, lol! I looked at Troy U in Alabama (didn't send me literature), U of Baltimore (didn't like their online class selection), and Murray St. (great school, but they were going to charge me as if I was going to live on campus).

Liberty's DLP program will continue to grow because of three reasons: (1) Classes are 8 weeks long while most 4 year institutions are 15 weeks, (2) Testing is online which means that you don't need to have a proctor approved, (3) and Liberty will get your transcripts for you. You guys brought up some valid points. IMO, as long as Liberty doesn't compromise (1) their commitment to Christ and (2)doesn't compromise their academic standards, I am content with my choice. 8)
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By PAmedic
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+ you get a free sweatshirt :D

got the email about that the other day and am still laughing
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