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By flamesbball84
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lakers or celtics?

i'm going Celtics in 7. Lakers were lucky the series didn't go seven games. The Lakers may have essentially dominated the series, but the Spurs and the refs helped them a lot. Lakers shouldn't have won game one, only reason they did is because the Spurs produced one of the greatest single game collapses in the history of basketball. The Lakers shouldn't have won game 4, or at least shouldn't have won the way they did - Brent Barry should have been on the FT line for three shots and even the NBA admitted that. The Lakers struggled to win three of the four games when the Spurs best player - Manu Ginobili - was basically a waste of playing time. What are they going to do against a healthy Celtics team that plays better defense and better offense than the Spurs?

PGs - Fisher, Farmar > Rondo, Cassell, House: Just barely though, Celtics better defensively here and are more versatile and deep.

SGs - Kobe, Vujacic >> R. Allen, House: Kobe makes this not even close, but Ray Allen has played dang well the past two games and is an undervalued defender, so if he continues to [lay strong then the gap is narrowed.

SFs - Paul Pierce, James Posey >>> Walton, Radmanovic: This isn't even close, Posey - the backup - is better than anyone the Lakers have at the 3 and it's not even close in my opinion. Radmanovic shouldn't even be starting for the Lakers.

PFs - Garnett, Brown, Powe, Davis >> Odom, Radmanovic, Gasol: The Celtics have by far the best player at the position and have more depth. If Gasol played the PF a lot, the Lakers would have the advantage though, but he doesn't since he's forced to play center due to the injury to Bynum.

Centers - Gasol, Turiaf > Perkins, Brown, Davis: Gasol clearly the best here, but there is absolutely no depth here after Turiaf. If Gasol gets in foul trouble they will be hurting here because Turiaf won't be able to man the 5 for extended periods of time because he's just an energy player.

Offense - Lakers > Celtics: It's pretty close, Lakers get the edge due to versatility and scoring depth.

Defense - Celtics >> Lakers: This really isn't even close. Lakers held to less than 90 twice and held to just 93.4 points a game to the Spurs, and the Celtics have had the best defense in the NBA pretty much all season. Lakers did a good job playing D against the Spurs, but when Ginobili puts up a performance not even deserving of receiving pkaying time in garbage minutes, that will help any D look a lot better than it really is.

Bench - Brown, Cassell, Davis, House, Posey, Powe > Farmar, Turiaf, Vujacic, Walton: Everyone raves about the Lakers bench, but the Celtics bench is clearly better in my opinion and I really don't think it's even close. James Posey is clearly the best player of the bunch. Powe and Turiaf are about equal. Vujacic is basically the same player as Eddie House just about. Farmar is a little better than Cassell at this point, but Cassell's total package of intangibles and experience outweigh Farmar. Walton is the second best player in the group, but I'd take the remainder of the Celtics bench over him and take the depth. The Celtics clearly have the more experiences bench, and I think that will make a major difference.

Head Coach
Phil Jackson >>> Doc Rivers: Landslide victory here, although Rivers has been doing some good stuff this year, he will never deserve to be mentioned in the same vein as Jackson.
By thepostman
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good analysis...can't argue too much except for the results...i think in reality these teams are very evenly matched but the big thing is coaching...Doc can't coach to save his life...I hope he is on his knees daily thanking the Lord for how lucky he is...the defense isn't even his doing....which it was smart of him to bring in a defensive guru assistant coach...but yeah phil jackson has been there so many times and is just a great coach and i think that is truly what will be the deciding factor....I say Lakers in 6....should be a fun series....i would be pulling for the celtics if it weren't for KG...he annoys the crap out of me....now i don't care much about it except for the fact that it should be good basketball to watch
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By Fumblerooskies
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#178365
Phil Jackson versus Doc Rivers...that sums it up right there. Lakers in five...although I will root for the Celtics.
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By flamesbball84
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the defense of the celtics last night - especially on kobe - was nothing short of amazing in the second half. kobe made some tough shots, but all those fadeaway, contested jumpers are exactly what an opponent would want him to take. they just generally did a dang good job guarding him one-on-one the whole night.

how huge was paul pierce in the third? talk about domination. hopefully the injury won't effect him a lot (it obviously will some). if it does, I don't think the Celtics will win the series.

that KG put back dunk in the second half was straight nasty and so was that ray allen three pointer off the kendrick perkins screen early in the game, talk about one nasty crossover he used to get open.
By TDDance234
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Kobe had a lot of open looks that he just missed. They are going to have to play tighter on him or he's going to go nuts in game two. If the Lakers are to go back to LA all-tied at 1-1, then Gasol is going to have to play a lot better than he did last night. He didn't have a bad statline but he can't dissapear for long stretches.

If Cassell (who is tied with Stackhouse for the ugliest NBA player of all time) and PJ Brown play like they did last night, the C's are going to be hard to beat, I think.
By Realist
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#179648
After Cassell made a couple of shots, he nearly cost them the game by throwing up anything he got his hands on. He's washed up. They should by playing Rondo as much as possible and house instead of Cassell.
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By flamesbball84
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he only took nine shots and he made four of them, that's not bad at all. cassell matches up against the lakers much better than house does. cassell is a better offensive threat due to his scoring versatility, ball handling, and experience (if house isn't able to shoot threes, he brings absolutely nothing else to the table on offense). house shouldn't really even play in this series unless he's able to guard farmar or vujacic because he won't be able to guard anyone else the Lakers put on the court, and I have to say it's debatable if he could handle farmar.
By thepostman
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game 1, more times then not, goes to the home team...I am not saying its a sure thing that the Lakers will win game 2, but I think they will be better...and Kobe had open looks...yes Boston played solid defense (as the have all year), but Kobe missed several wide open looks...that won't happen again....

I have said it all year long though...this team's MVP is Paul Pierce...not Garnett....I think that was proven last night....
By Realist
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flamesbball84 wrote:he only took nine shots and he made four of them, that's not bad at all. cassell matches up against the lakers much better than house does. cassell is a better offensive threat due to his scoring versatility, ball handling, and experience (if house isn't able to shoot threes, he brings absolutely nothing else to the table on offense). house shouldn't really even play in this series unless he's able to guard farmar or vujacic because he won't be able to guard anyone else the Lakers put on the court, and I have to say it's debatable if he could handle farmar.
Did you actually watch the game? He made his first three then jacked up everything and missed. He went under a screen instead of over and let Fischer drain a three. He nearly singlehandedly let LA back in the game. The guy is the worst type of player you want on the floor---he thinks he's still a great player (and he was) but he's just a shell of his former self and doesn't realize it. The Boston fans were cheering wildly anytime he got taken off the floor. There is a reason for it.



PJ Brown, on the other hand, you were correct on, he played great.
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By flamesbball84
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the way the celtics are starting out in game 4 is beyond embarrassing...

the ec glass womens basketball team could play better defense than the celtics are in this game
By Hold My Own
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it blows my mind how leads can vanish in no time


LA up 24 and now it's tied....wow
By thepostman
#180934
it blows my mind how everytime i turn off a game out of boredom since its a blowout always turns into a great finish....

the lakers should be embarrassed...
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By flamesbball84
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#180935
biggest single game choke job in nba finals history tonight!

Talk about lock down D in the second half
By Realist
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Guess who's been playing more......House

Guess who's not playing......Cassell.

:D
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By ToTheLeft
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flamesbball84 wrote: Head Coach
Phil Jackson >>> Doc Rivers: Landslide victory here, although Rivers has been doing some good stuff this year, he will never deserve to be mentioned in the same vein as Jackson.
Doc has been SO outcoaching Phil so far... at the mic and on the court.... but you being wrong is nothing new. :P
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By flamesbball84
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ToTheLeft wrote:
flamesbball84 wrote: Head Coach
Phil Jackson >>> Doc Rivers: Landslide victory here, although Rivers has been doing some good stuff this year, he will never deserve to be mentioned in the same vein as Jackson.
Doc has been SO outcoaching Phil so far... at the mic and on the court.... but you being wrong is nothing new. :P
LOL, i'm more than happy to be wrong about this, and I'm sure everyone going in thought Phil Jackson is a better coach, including several posters on here ;)

I was actually about to say something about how Doc has ran circles around Phil so far...
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By Fumblerooskies
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WOW...never thought I'd see the Lakers and Kobe choke this bad in a game.
By thepostman
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ToTheLeft wrote:
flamesbball84 wrote: Head Coach
Phil Jackson >>> Doc Rivers: Landslide victory here, although Rivers has been doing some good stuff this year, he will never deserve to be mentioned in the same vein as Jackson.
Doc has been SO outcoaching Phil so far... at the mic and on the court.... but you being wrong is nothing new. :P
I still believe Phil is the better coach...the Celtics just seem to want it more...you can't coach that

I saw enough of Doc when he was the head coach in Orlando to know he is garbage....
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By bigsmooth
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well my pick of boston over LA in seven still looks good , but it could be sooner.
By LUconn
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Ray Allen should get the MVP award if he keeps this up. There's not doubt Peirce gets it though since he's the face of the franchise and that's how idiots pick these awards.
By ALUmnus
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Maybe because it's the ease with which he plays the game, but people tend to forget how good Ray Allen is. He's been the finals MVP so far. He needs to shoot much more, and a lot of possessions he seems to be just waiting in the wings, but I guess that will happen when you play pretty much the whole game. But he's been incredible.


And yes, I'll admit it, my man-crush on Ray Allen has been in full effect since his first game with UConn.
By LUconn
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Imagine if the Lakers keep this roster in tact next year. Andrew Bynum will be healthy and they will be sick.
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By ToTheLeft
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thepostman wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
flamesbball84 wrote: Head Coach
Phil Jackson >>> Doc Rivers: Landslide victory here, although Rivers has been doing some good stuff this year, he will never deserve to be mentioned in the same vein as Jackson.
Doc has been SO outcoaching Phil so far... at the mic and on the court.... but you being wrong is nothing new. :P
I still believe Phil is the better coach...the Celtics just seem to want it more...you can't coach that

I saw enough of Doc when he was the head coach in Orlando to know he is garbage....
You forget I'm a Magic Fan, too?

I know Doc was weak for us, but he is doing something right in Boston. EVen if what he's doing is just letting the players do more and letting things happen without him, then that's good coaching. Plus, he's WAY better behind the mic then the "Zen Master" who sounds more like a whiny baby.
By Hold My Own
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PP was the best player on the court for 2 games...RA didnt do so hot in those games...really I think its this next game that's the clincher (both for the Celtics and the MVP)


But I'm a He Got Game fan so it's hard for me to go against Ray Ray...and I love that lip snarl he does that just spews I know I'm better than you
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