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playing a football game for some type of trophy??

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 2:07 pm
by bigsmooth
i was on our newest big south member's web site and PC plays their in state neighbor newberry for a "bronze derby". i have put the story here b/c it is pretty cool. i wish LU could have some type of game where we play for something. when i worked at VMI, they play the citadel vearly for the silver shako. what are some of the other symbolic games around the country you guys like, and what could we develop and with what school???

HISTORY OF THE BRONZE DERBY

PRESBYTERIAN vs. NEWBERRY

It was during the basketball season of 1946-47 that the Bronze Derby had its origin as the symbol of Newberry-PC athletic rivalry. For some time prior to the introduction of the Bronze Derby, the athletic rivalry between Newberry and Presbyterian, which began early in the century, had been growing immoderately on notes of student antagonism that had educators of both schools worried and considered a severance of athletic relations.


The rumors that took place when Presbyterian’s basketball team played at Newberry on the night of January 30, 1947, could have been the last straw, but for the thinking of two keen-minded college publicists who salvaged tradition from apparently ruinous events.

Before the game started, a set of PC students unfurled a large banner and suspended it in prominent view on the wall of the gymnasium behind the PC cheering section. “Beat H ... Out of Newberry!” was the fighting inscription on the banner.

During a moment when attention was riveted on the action on the court, some Newberry students obtained a ladder and climbed the outside of the gym wall. Gaining access through a window, they ripped the banner off the wall and fled into the night. A few minutes later when the PC rooters noticed the banner was missing, the rumbling from the visitor’s grew louder.

The game was won by PC 51-47 and after the game ended, PC students insisted that the banner be returned. Tempers flared and a scuffle ensued. In the midst of the commotion, a Newberry student snatched a derby from the head of a PC student.

During the next two days, in the aftermath of the derby theft, important events shaped the history of Newberry-PC athletic relation. Frank E. Kinard, a senior at Newberry and editor of the school paper, the Indian, and serving as the athletic publicity director, received a letter from Charles MacDonald, then assistant professor of English and athletic publicity director at PC. MacDonald suggested that an effort be made to recover the derby and institute it as a symbol of athletic rivalry between the Blue Hose and the Indians. Kinard presented the plan at a convocation of the Newberry student body. The idea of the derby serving as a laurel of victory in Newberry-PC games, received enthusiastic endorsement from the Newberry students. The derby was recovered and the identity of the abductor was never revealed. The derby was turned over to W.E. Turner & Son, a Newberry jewelry firm for bronzing. The hat was packaged and forwarded to a company in Columbus, Ohio, where the casting was done.

During the early years of the Bronze Derby rivalry, the hat was interchanged frequently between Newberry and PC on every athletic event. The first coming on February 28, 1947 at a basketball game in Clinton that the Blue Hose won 44-42.

For a few years, the Bronze Derby was constantly exchanged, going to the winner of each sports contest until officials and students of the two colleges decided that it would be awarded only to the winner of the Annual Thanksgiving Turkey Day Bronze Derby Game. The game was moved from Thanksgiving after the 1992 season due to the teams and the conference moving to NCAA Division II and that date would conflict with the playoffs.

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 2:17 pm
by Sly Fox
We had a similar discussion on the old board where we never came up with a Eureka idea. VMI would be the most obvious school to build a battle with. But they already have strong rivalries with El Cid & UR. So convincing them to go along with us on one of these deals might be a stetch. But then again we do share hawkish tendencies and are located in heart of Virginia so something could be worked out.

Otherwise CCU is the next closest thing we have a football rival in the Big South. And who knows how long that arrangement might be in place.

Any ideas?

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 4:26 pm
by A.G.
How about playing for the Kallander Kup. A metal vase filled with sour grapes.

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 7:04 pm
by PAmedic
now that's funny, right there

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 10:17 pm
by Hold My Own
I say we play VMI and the winner gets a Golden Bible and a 1 year supply of "Faith Partners" Bibles since VMI no longer allows the Giddens to hand them out there anymore

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 11:34 pm
by SuperJon
I say we play for The Belt:

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The first picture is The Belt at the JMU game with some drunk guy. There are a ton of people with pictures of The Belt and themselves. This was before it was tagged with CCU. The second is my sister (16 in that picture) in my house before a game with The Belt. The Belt is currently at Coastal.

Big South championship rings? Nope, World Heavyweight Championship belt tagged with your school colors.

Posted: April 14th, 2006, 11:39 pm
by SuperJon
By the way, if you look at the first picture, you can see my feet, and the top of Je'sus (Hay-soos).

Je'sus (Hay-soos) was our friend. He was an inflatable aligator raft that people wore around their waist. Here is a better picture of Je'sus (Hay-soos):

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We also had a beach ball named Pha-gina. It was not dirty so Medic, get your head out of the gutter. Here is a picture of Pha-gina I. We lost her one game and had to buy a Pha-gina II.

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That guy holding Pha-gina right there's one good lookin piece of meat.

Posted: April 15th, 2006, 12:16 am
by PeterParker
Something that incorporates red clay in it...maybe a brick forged with the very fashionable red clay of central virginia.

Posted: April 15th, 2006, 8:11 am
by bigsmooth
you guys are hilarious, but i was hoping for something more substantial than the jokes. thanks peter for your suggestion. if the game was with VMI, maybe something symbolizing the area between the schools..something to do with the mountains, railroad...the red clay is a good idea though.

Posted: April 15th, 2006, 9:35 am
by Hold My Own
umm, yeah........is your sister single? Cause shes pretty hot! :oops: :lol:

Posted: April 15th, 2006, 11:47 am
by A.G.
Correct me if I'm wrong, SJ, but shouldn't the CHAMPIONSHIP BELT say CSU?

And from the look of things, I doubt very seriously that HMO could hold his own with your sister. WAY out of his league.

Posted: April 15th, 2006, 1:25 pm
by Hold My Own
True Story :lol:

it was worth a shot.....let me look again...... :shock: yup, it was worth a shot....tell her to facebook me SJ!!!! LoL

Posted: April 15th, 2006, 6:32 pm
by SuperJon
If you didn't read, she was 16 at the time. That was in September. She's 17 now and a junior in HS. I'm not even friends with you on facebook.

Coastal and CSU tied, that's why the belt can still say CCU.

Posted: April 16th, 2006, 12:08 am
by Hold My Own
we'll correct that now!

Posted: April 16th, 2006, 12:30 am
by PeterParker
Could play for an iron bell or for a railroad tie.

Posted: April 16th, 2006, 9:34 am
by SuperJon
Railroad tie would work since the freaking train blocks the back entrance every time I'm in a hurry.