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By PAmedic
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we desparately need a thread on this, so when my Fly-guys whup up on SMOOTHIES Whalers :wink: I can gloat appropriately.

oh I'm sorry, I meant the transplant Hurricanes.
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By PAmedic
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and I don't care about that shoot-out win last nite, we flat out blew a nice lead (again). As Coach Hitchock said- we gave it away. Even that traitor Brind'Amour admitted you guys had "no business being in that game"!

there's more of a concern over Forsberg's tweaked groin, but we'll be fine overall.
By Agent2Be
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In Pittsburgh - we kind of wrote of the Pens because they are a missed slots license away from leaving for Las Vegas. That and they plain out stink right now.
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By Sly Fox
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Down here in Houston we're hearing that the Pens may fly our way if the Penguins attempts to sell their souls to the state aren't "successful".
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By bigsmooth
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME MEDIC???? please show me where rod said we had no business being in the game. i looked at both cities newspapers. just another bitter philly fan! we lead the season series 2-1. we are the best team in the NHL period....look at the standings. we are finally getting the credit we deserve...even your fat coach kenny hitchcock said you have to put carolina with the elite this year in the NHL. the canes built this club through the draft, and by signing free agents for the new NHL. they are really the best skating team in the league. no lead is safe anymore, and besides the canes play better when they are down. as far as your whalers blast...do you moonlight for ESPN??? those tools still get get over the fact they lost their team! and im sure it's very hard that a non-traditional hockey market is beating an originial six member, but facts are facts my man! im sure you also hate that teams from the north carolina have kicked your butt over the past few years.....all we do down here in the south is chew tobacco, drink sweet tea, and eat barbecue, and kick philly butt!!! LOVE YA MEDIC!!! :D

Canes storm back
Carolina rallies from two down to tie it in the third period, then wins it on Rod Brind'Amour's shootout goal

Luke DeCock, Staff Writer
The Carolina Hurricanes have gotten so good at this comeback business, they're winning games they've never even led.
Down two goals in the third period, the Canes used goals from Oleg Tverdovsky and Erik Cole to send the game to overtime before taking the two points from the Philadelphia Flyers in a shootout on Rod Brind'Amour's game-winner.

The final score was 4-3, but that's the only time the Canes were on top Tuesday. Either way, they're not complaining about the points, no matter how they get them.

"You can tell we play better when we get behind," Carolina forward Ray Whitney said. "I don't know why. Maybe we lose our inhibitions and just go. The faster we play, the better we play. When we play slowly, we're no good."

Not only did they extend their winning streak to eight games, one short of the franchise record they set earlier this season, but they retook the NHL's overall lead with 66 points -- and against the toughest level of competition possible.

A Flyers win would have put them into a virtual tie with the Ottawa Senators for the lead -- the Senators have the edge in wins -- and their point for the shootout loss moved them into third place.

But it doesn't seem to matter who the Canes play. They're 17-3-0 against non-playoff teams, taking care of business, but 5-2-2 against the other four teams in the NHL's top five.

The Hurricanes haven't lost since the last time they saw the Flyers, a 4-3 overtime loss at the RBC Center on Dec. 29. This one didn't look headed for overtime, at least not midway through the third.

Held without a shot for the first 17-plus minutes of the first period, the Canes struggled for two periods to generate chances all game against a stingy, well-coached Philadelphia team playing its second home game in almost a month.

Coming into the game with a power-play goal in 14 straight games, the Flyers held the Canes scoreless on four opportunities.

Left out to dry on Philadelphia's first two goals, Martin Gerber was otherwise impeccable early, trapping a Simon Gagne breakaway under his right skate boot early in the game before forcing the NHL's third-leading scorer to shoot wide on another breakaway in the second period.

The Flyers got the puck past Gerber only 75 seconds into the game when Mike Knuble tipped a loose puck out of midair, but the goal was waved off when it was ruled Knuble's stick was above the crossbar.

With 12 minutes to play, the Flyers led 3-1 and had largely handled Carolina's increased third-period pressure.

But a Cole hit behind the net sent Kim Johnsson to the ice, leaving Tverdovsky open in front to put home an Eric Staal pass, and Frantisek Kaberle set Cole free on a breakaway with four minutes to play. Cole faked Antero Niittymaki to the ice, then flipped the puck over him on his backhand.

"We hit that third period, and we've got nothing to save it for," Cole said.

Twenty seconds later, Brind'Amour went into the penalty box for hooking and the Flyers went after the win. But even without their best penalty-killer, the Canes held Philadelphia to one shot and pushed through to overtime -- Bret Hedican remaining on the ice even after he was staggered by a collision behind the net.

"That was a huge kill," Brind'Amour said. "I don't know how much of a penalty it was, but any time you can kill a penalty in the late stages it's huge. That might have been the game right there."

If Brind'Amour appreciated the help, he showed it in the shootout. He went out as Carolina's fourth shooter with the score tied 2-2, skating out wide to his right before slipping a shot over Niittymaki's left leg. Gerber then stopped Jeff Carter to give the Canes the win.

On a team full of younger, perhaps speedier players, Brind'Amour may not have been an obvious choice, but the ex-Flyer was as effective as the result was fitting.

"It was just," Whitney said. "Roddie does so much for our team, playing the minutes he does in the situations he does."

As has been the case all season, when it came to securing the win the Canes had only to look as far as their captain -- even if they were never able to look to the scoreboard and see a lead.

Staff writer Luke DeCock can be reached at 829-8947 or ldecock@newsobserver.com

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By bigsmooth
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agent2be, has the PA. legislature gone back to the table to find some money to replace the igloo???? the pens need to stay in the steel city. i got a chance to see ron francis and got him to autograph my pens jersey. francis is a cool dude and certain hall of famer!
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By PAmedic
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bigsmooth wrote:agent2be, has the PA. legislature gone back to the table to find some money to replace the igloo???? the pens need to stay in the steel city. i got a chance to see ron francis and got him to autograph my pens jersey. francis is a cool dude and certain hall of famer!
not as long as Ed Rendell (Eagles' commentator on Comcast-Philly) is still governor.
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By bigsmooth
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the canes have won 9 in a row...the second time they have done it this year. i do hope the canes and flyers meet up in the playoffs. all three games they have played this year have been great!
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I'd have to agree- hope the outcome is different than the last meeting/debacle.
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By El Scorcho
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Ahem. Go 'Canes!
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Flyers name Hatcher acting captain
By WAYNE FISH
phillyBurbs.com

VOORHEES, N.J. - "We're kind of like a lost ship at sea now."

Those were the words of Keith Primeau, describing the Flyers' aimless play of late and also explaining why the team needed to name Derian Hatcher as acting captain Sunday in Primeau's absence.

Primeau, captain of the team since the 2000-01 season, has been sidelined since Oct. 30 by a serious concussion. There's no telling if or when he will return.

The Flyers didn't appear to need a replacement, especially during that spectacular 8-2-1 road trip that bridged December and January.

But of late, things have turned south in a hurry. The Flyers have dropped six of eight and find themselves just three points up on the Rangers as they head to New York tonight.

After Saturday's 6-0 national disgrace at the hands of Tampa Bay, the Flyers decided they needed to get the leadership situation squared away.

And so Hatcher, Primeau, general manager Bob Clarke and head coach Ken Hitchcock sat down Sunday morning and decided to make him the franchise's 13th different captain in its 39-year history.

Hatcher, 33, was captain of the 1999 Dallas Stars team which won the Stanley Cup under Hitchcock. The two have a solid working relationship, and that should serve both well in trying to get things rectified.

Simon Gagne and Sami Kapanen were named permanent assistants. There seems to be an understanding that if Primeau returns this season, the "C" will go back to him. But for the time being, Hatcher will be the one who speaks the loudest in the locker room.

"I think it's something that Hitch and some of the players felt that, with some of what's been going on, that there needed to be a captain, a voice in the room that represents the team," Hatcher said.

"And I think with working with Hitch before, I can bring some of that [experience]. There weren't always good times in Dallas. Worst comes to worst, maybe I can help the guys with Hitch a little more."

There seemed to be a sense that the Flyers were straying from Hitchcock's system, and Hatcher should be able to get that situation corrected. He commands respect by his playing career and perhaps also by the fact that he stands 6-5 and weighs 235 pounds.

"It's about the system we're supposed to be playing and a voice in the room," Hatcher said. "Someone to preach that and hold [players] accountable."

Primeau said he agreed to the move.

"We need some direction," he said. "With my uncertainty, as good as the guys have been to find ways to win hockey games, right now we're in a tough patch, and we need that direction.


"Without knowing what my status is and without knowing my availability, we need direction now. I agreed. So temporarily they're going to pass it to Derian. I'm OK with that. The performance of the team is more important than my pride at this time. It's the right decision."

Gagne, 25, had been asked to take this role shortly after Primeau went out, but he declined. He said Sunday that either Hatcher or Eric Desjardins would be better candidates because they have much more experience in the NHL.

Hitchcock used Primeau often to sell his system to the players. Without that tool, it's been difficult to maintain that focus on a daily basis.

"It's been an ongoing situation," Hitchcock said. "When things are going really well, you're thinking that it's not necessary [to have a captain]. But when things aren't going as well, you need to have firm direction in the locker room. We don't want to have people waiting for it. We would like it to happen right away and have the players know they have someone to go to.''

"If you have a captain with experience, why not take advantage of it?"

It was also important to Hitchcock that Primeau understand the move.

"We talked with Keith today, and he agreed it's in the best interest of the team that we have a captaincy," he said. "So on an ongoing basis, Derian will be the acting captain until the final decision is made on Keith."

Injury update

Peter Forsberg will visit Duke University orthopedist William Garrett to have his groin injury examined. Hitchcock said he does not expect Forsberg to be ready to play until the weekend at the earliest.

Kim Johnsson, who left Saturday's game early with dizziness (related to an earlier hit at Detroit on Jan. 12), will be examined by a neuro-opthamologist, according to head trainer Jim McCrossin.
By Agent2Be
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The state will not help the Pens. It has to come from the development company who will win the $50 million dollar slots license. The bad thing is the front runner is Forest City Management (who donoted money to Rendell's campaign) that has no money alloted for a new arena. The development company who is tied to the Pens (Isle of Capri) for the slot license to build an arena is struggling with some fines for not moving forward on a casino in Illinois (after the license was awarded), backdoor dealings for obtaining a casino license in Missouri and rebuilding their trophy location in Biloxi. My guess is that this is the last year for the Pens in Pittsburgh.
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By bigsmooth
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this past saturday was ron francis night here in raleigh. the great number 10 was raised to the rafters in the RBC Center. ron finished his career fourth all time in points, second in assists third in games played, and matched gordie howe for the longest streak of 50 or more points in a season. he did it 22 consecutive times. ronnie also helped the pens win back to back stanley cups. i had a chance to play golf with ronnie last summer during the lockout and he is just a great guy, like most hockey players. i wish him the best in his retirement. he is probably the most underrated player to ever lace up the skates!

A perfect 10
A full house cheers as the Hurricanes honor future Hall of Famer Ron Francis, who returns the favor by paying homage to the adoring fans in his adopted home area


Luke DeCock, Staff Writer
The "My NHL" on the corner boards of the RBC Center was replaced Saturday with a white "10" on a red background, a reminder even before the night began that it might be somebody's NHL, but this was Ron Francis' evening.
Then the Carolina Hurricanes took the ice for warm-ups, each one wearing Francis' jersey, and the cheers started and never really stopped.

The applause and chanting accompanied Francis onto the ice, echoed throughout his speech, escorted the banner bearing his name and number to the ceiling and encouraged a performance from his former team that truly honored its 42-year-old former captain with a 4-1 win over the Atlanta Thrashers.

His voice cracking at times but still maintaining the "even keel" that was his playoff mantra, Francis thanked the Hurricanes, the trainers, equipment managers and coaches who helped him, his former teammates and his friends and family.

The most important of the latter stood on the red carpet beside him -- his close friends and former teammates Jay Caufield, Ed Olczyk and Tom Barrasso, his wife Mary Lou, his daughter Kaitlyn, his sons Michael and Connor, his brother Ricky, his father Ron and mother Lorita.

But Francis, who said his speech went through at least six revisions, saved his longest thanks for the fans who became his neighbors when he moved to North Carolina in 1998. He was rewarded for a leap of faith that the franchise could develop the kind of fans so excited to remember Francis' career Friday and so excited by the Canes' run to the Stanley Cup finals in 2002.

"I had heard it was a beautiful place to live and a great place to raise a family," Francis said. "I'm glad to say I found both statements to be true. What I didn't know was the passion fans in this area bring to their sports. ... To see people waiting at the airport when we arrived home from the games in the wee hours of the morning. To live among the people of Raleigh as they showed their passion for the team with flags and banners and signs of encouragement. To see Duke, Carolina and State fans actually rooting for the same team!"

That brought some of the loudest cheers of the night, perhaps because it symbolized everything Francis brought to the Canes, and by extension, the Triangle. With Francis leading the way, the Canes acted as a catalyst to unify the area.

It was a fitting moment to look back on those days. Outside the arena, with the sun still hanging in the sky on a beautiful day, the parking lots were clogged with tailgaters three hours before game time. Inside the over-capacity arena, even the "Dumb and Dumber" guys were back on the bandwagon, their fluorescent tuxedos out of mothballs for the occasion.

So often, that playoff run hangs over the team's present as a taunting reminder of how good it once was, with just about everything since unfavorably compared. But on this night, the past seemed vibrant, palpable, perhaps because this edition of the Hurricanes has recaptured at least a little of that magic, and not just for this night.

Leave it to Francis, though, to find a way to look to the future. Before his last lap on the ice began, Francis shook the hands of all the current Hurricanes, stopping at the end of the bench as Eric Staal hopped over the boards at Francis' request

The two paused for a picture, Staal closer in age to the two Francis sons standing next to him than their father, but the unquestioned bearer of the mantle Francis carried for so long -- if not the captain yet, certainly the focal point and identity of the franchise now and, the Canes hope, for years to come, long after Francis is inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2007.

"How could you not love it?" Staal said. "It was a great feeling. I'm looking forward to being here a long time and helping this team win championships. Him asking me to shake his hand was a little shock and a lot of fun."

Francis left the ice for the last time with his boys at his side -- "Dad, this is really cool," Michael kept yelling -- exiting the rink at its north end, the banner bearing his number hanging above him in front of the banners marking the conference title and two division titles he won with Carolina.

"It was an honor and privilege to play in front of you," Francis had said during his speech, and the prolonged ovation made it clear that the feeling was mutual.

Then he waved, took a bow, and stepped into the shadows.
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By Sly Fox
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Isle of Capri is the Pens' last hope? Ouch. That is arguably the weakest casino operator in the gaming business. When they showed up in Biloxi with that piece of junk they had pulled down the Mississippi River it was immediately dubbed the "Iowa Debris". Its improved since then but it is telling for their standing.

We haven't been hearing much buzz down here in Houston about the franchise lately. Everyone is waiting to see what goes down with the slots license. Houston is the largest market in the US without an NHL franchise and the league has had its eye on here for some time. We've had WHA/Minor League hockey here for close to four decades so it wouldn't be tough to build a fanbase quickly.

Frankly, I have enough on my plate right now to cover without the NHL. I admit groaning at having to add the MLS to our already overflowing schedule when it was announced last week.
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By PAmedic
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hey SMOOTHIE, who's Ron Francis? Some kinda hockey player? for the Hartford Whalers maybe?
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By bigsmooth
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typical philly fan! :D
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You Philly fans are the worst. Give the guy his do man! I agree with Smoothie - Ron Francis is the most underrated player to ever lace up the skates. It was the trade for Francis that put the Pens over the top to win the Stanley Cups. If not for a fluke goal by the Islanders in '93, we would have hoisted a third. Francis is the man, and I have never heard a bad word uttered about him. I am glad to see his number retired for Carolina. They couldnt have had a better center. Too bad he couldnt hoist a cup there.
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By bigsmooth
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thanks agent, a true pittsburgh fan knows what the franchise did for the pens, whalers and canes. it's hard to believe that only gretzky, messier and howe have more points than ronnie and only gretzky has more assists. plus his sportsmanship and humanitarianism awards really speak of what he meant to the NHL.
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Agent2B...

I remember that Pittsburgh/NY Islanders game in '93.

I hated the fact that Pittsburgh actually scored with the golie pulled to tie it up...and then lost in overtime.
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(I know the rest of you care!) The Fly-guys are #5 in the Eastern Conf. and will face Buffalo:

http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/press ... e/2573.asp
The National Hockey League announced the schedule for the Eastern Conference Quarterfinal series between the Flyers and the Buffalo Sabres.

Below is the complete series schedule:

Game One
Saturday, April 22
Philadelphia at Buffalo
7:00 p.m.

Game Two
Monday, April 24
Philadelphia at Buffalo
7:00 p.m.

Game Three
Wednesday, April 26
Buffalo at Philadelphia
7:00 p.m.

Game Four
Friday, April 28
Buffalo at Philadelphia
7:00 p.m.

Game Five
Sunday, April 30
Philadelphia at Buffalo
2:00 p.m.

Game Six
Tuesday, May 2
Buffalo at Philadelphia
7:00 p.m.

Game Seven
Thursday, May 4
Philadelphia at Buffalo
7:00 p.m.

Tickets for the Flyers’ first two 2006 Stanley Cup Playoff home games go on sale on Thursday, April 20, at 10 a.m. Tickets are available at philadelphiaflyers.com, by calling Ticketmaster at 215-336-2000 or by visiting the Wachovia Complex Box Office.

Individual game tickets in the Lehigh Valley Dairy Farms Family Section for first round home playoff games will go on sale on Thursday, April 20, at 10 a.m. These tickets, priced at $32 for adults and $16 for children, are only available for purchase at the Wachovia Complex Box Office.

Two Family Sections, located on Mezzanine Level, Sections 222 and 222A will be available for public sale. A six-ticket limit will be placed upon each individual sale.
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By bigsmooth
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ha! ha! philly is a pretender. the real team is in raleigh as the canes open up against the "french canadiens", les habitants...or the montreal canadiens as most people know. i am hoping for an ottawa vs. carolina eastern conference final, but who knows...really any of the top four seeds in the east have a real shot at winning the east, and the hottest teams now are jersey and buffalo...nothing better than playoff hockey!

(2) Carolina (52-22-8, 112 pts) vs.
(7) Montreal (42-31-9, 93 pts)

Game 1: Saturday, April 22nd 7:00 PM Montreal at Carolina CBC, RDS
Game 2: Monday, April 24th 7:00 PM Montreal at Carolina CBC, RDS
Game 3: Wednesday, April 26th 7:00 PM Carolina at Montreal CBC, RDS
Game 4: Friday, April 28th 7:00 PM Carolina at Montreal CBC, RDS
Game 5: Sunday, April 30th 7:30 PM Montreal at Carolina CBC, RDS
(If necessary)
Game 6: Tuesday, May 2nd 7:00 PM Carolina at Montreal CBC, RDS
(If necessary)
Game 7: Thursday, May 4th 7:00 PM Montreal at Carolina CBC, RDS
(If necessary)

Hurricanes won season series, 4-0
Dec. 31: at Hurricanes 5, Canadiens 3
Jan. 23: at Hurricanes 7, Canadiens 3
Jan. 31: Hurricanes 8 at Canadiens 2
Mar. 16: Hurricanes 5 at Canadiens 1
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By Flamesfanva
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Although I like Carolina too, I was pulling for the guys from Buffalo last night (which they won :lol:, 4-0), and as if you couldn't tell by my sig who I want to bring home the cup....it's the BUFFALO SABRES!

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By PAmedic
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didnt know their was a team in Buffalo- huh, news to me 8)

Hey SMOOTHIE- expect those Hartford Whalers to go very far this year? REALLY?
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By bigsmooth
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medic you will know buffalo had a team in about a week when they win the series in 5 games. as far as the canes, you must be under a rock, b/c the canes have been either 1or 2 in the eastern conference, and at one point were tops in the entire league. seriously they are one of the top 4 teams in my mind...the stats prove it, plus they own ottawa, so if they do what they are supposed to do, they could very well be back in the cup finals. i will be in raleigh saturday night for game one vs. montreal, so i will try to get some pics of how we do hockey "carolina style"
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By Flamesfanva
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medic you will know buffalo had a team in about a week when they win the series in 5 games
"WHEN SMOOTHIE SPEAKS PEOPLE LISTEN!"

Couldn't have said it better myself. Although it may go six games.
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