[kel varson]

I for one will be glad when Brett Favre (the most over-rated QB in history) retires. The hype is sickening. This for a guy who won 1 Superbowl! Why not put Doug Williams in the HOF as well. The last few years Favre has become nothing more than an overpaid choke artist while the poor Packers have had to waste draft picks because this guy won't retire. At Favre's best he was maybe a top five QB.

He's a lot like Cal Ripken in this sense: his streak is impressive, but as far as the numbers go, they can't compare to the real IRON MEN.

[PAmedic]

ouch.

have some more eggnog.

I gotta say, I think he's a BIT better than you're giving him credit for, and I'm NO Packers fan.

Definitely one of the most consistent QBs to have played the position. And no, I don't have the stats to back that up, but I've watched the man play in the NFC for the last decade.

I do agree that they have sacrificed getting decent back up or finding the heir-apparent due to his indecision lately, but that's a recoverable situation

[RubberMallet]

you must not being paying attention...

the man is #2 in pass tds and pass yds. he could supplant marino with just one more year.

he's been so consistant year after year after year after year....he's always thrown lots of picks compared to their tds...so did marino, so did elway, so did esiason....all with td:int ratios around 1.6:1

8 time prowbowler

3 time league mvp - only qb with 3

his durabiltity and longevity are unmatched by anyone at any position...it surpasses ripkins mark....

i hate the packers and all of the nfc north but theres no denying that brett favre is a top 10 all time qb....i have him in my top 5....

[TIMSCAR20]

Brett is special for sure. I don't have him in my all time top 5 but he is not over-rated to me. I really do get tired of hearing about him though and I wish he would retire. My top 5 that I have seen are in no particular order:

Montana
Marino
Kelly
Young
Moon

[RubberMallet]

good man with the kelly pick

mine is

marino
montana
elway
unitas
favre

[LUconn]

You're crazy:

Marino (that's right, I don't care about championships. They mean nothing when judging a QB)
Staubach
Elway
Unitas
Moon


Montana and Young are in my top 10.

And Manning probably moves into the top 2 by the time he retires. Favre is way down the list. He's got longevity. Yipee.

[kel varson]

you must not being paying attention...

the man is #2 in pass tds and pass yds. he could supplant marino with just one more year.

he's been so consistant year after year after year after year....he's always thrown lots of picks compared to their tds...so did marino, so did elway, so did esiason....all with td:int ratios around 1.6:1

8 time prowbowler

3 time league mvp - only qb with 3

his durabiltity and longevity are unmatched by anyone at any position...it surpasses ripkins mark....

i hate the packers and all of the nfc north but theres no denying that brett favre is a top 10 all time qb....i have him in my top 5....

Those career numbers will add up when you never miss a game.

[kel varson]

Brett is special for sure. I don't have him in my all time top 5 but he is not over-rated to me. I really do get tired of hearing about him though and I wish he would retire. My top 5 that I have seen are in no particular order:

Montana
Marino
Kelly
Young
Moon

I meant that I wouldn't have in my top five for QB's who've played in the last 10 years. Overall, I think he would make my top 25.

[RubberMallet]

You're crazy:

Marino (that's right, I don't care about championships. They mean nothing when judging a QB)
Staubach
Elway
Unitas
Moon


Montana and Young are in my top 10.

And Manning probably moves into the top 2 by the time he retires. Favre is way down the list. He's got longevity. Yipee.

the longevity arguement is weak...hes avged 3800/28 a year over 15 years...

marino? - 3800/26
staubach? - 2700 /19
elway? - 3200/19
moon? - 3200/19

and his comp% is better than all of them...

since championships and mvps mean nothing to you you have to look at the stats...

[RubberMallet]

you must not being paying attention...

the man is #2 in pass tds and pass yds. he could supplant marino with just one more year.

he's been so consistant year after year after year after year....he's always thrown lots of picks compared to their tds...so did marino, so did elway, so did esiason....all with td:int ratios around 1.6:1

8 time prowbowler

3 time league mvp - only qb with 3

his durabiltity and longevity are unmatched by anyone at any position...it surpasses ripkins mark....

i hate the packers and all of the nfc north but theres no denying that brett favre is a top 10 all time qb....i have him in my top 5....

Those career numbers will add up when you never miss a game.

yeah that doesn't prove my point over how much better he has been than most...but i'll bite...

take the top 6 in career yardage....

marino - 254 yds a game
favre - 239 yds a game
elway - 219 yds a game
moon - 237
vinny - 184
bledsoe - 196

you can make that arguement with vinny and drew but not with favre who's putting who's still near the top....it has nothing to do with him playing more games than anyone else....nice try though

[LUconn]

Those stats look better when you don't include the year with the falcons, which I didn't even know existed. But one biggy that you left out 18 INT's per year including 5 20+ INT seasons and 1 29 INT season.

But really that doesn't include all of the intangibles like what kind of teams they had, etc. That's why there's no definative answer. I would argue about the greatest receiver of all time because I have a different opinion than 99.99999999999% of the universe but we can save that for another day.

[kel varson]

I really think where Favre lacked was team leadership...and character qualities. Those intagibles separate some of the others.

What kind of a person takes a dive to allow another player to "earn" a record. The same kind that will get drunk before a big game and play with a hangover.

[RubberMallet]

you really went the int road?

Favre's TD:INT ratio - 1.5:1

Marino's 1.6:1
Moon's 1.2:1
Elway 1.3:1
staubach 1.4:1

in the stats a few posts above this i didn't include any of those players rookie years or years where they didn't start more than 10 games...

as for tangiables...he's had a decent line and he got a few years of s.sharpe a few good years out of dorsey levens, 4 or 5 years out of freeman and the past 5 years he's had a brittle ahman green and donald driver....YAWN...no HOF'rs...

[RubberMallet]

I really think where Favre lacked was team leadership...and character qualities. Those intagibles separate some of the others.

pffwahahahahahah

What kind of a person takes a dive to allow another player to "earn" a record. The same kind that will get drunk before a big game and play with a hangover.

one play where he was 99% going to get sacked is what you base that off of?

you should probably just stop trying

[Rocketfan]

You're crazy:

Marino (that's right, I don't care about championships. They mean nothing when judging a QB)

Favre is way down the list. He's got longevity. Yipee.

Look at those two statements and tell me what they have in common......it seems i was to slow and this was already addressed.

[LUconn]

Also, I heard he ate a bowl full of puppies. Now that's an intangible.

[RubberMallet]

yeah, i hate hearing about him too...and the man can do no wrong in the media's eyes....thats annoying but theres no denying the fact that he is one of the few truely elite....hes not playing longer than any of the other names that are dropped when talking abotu best qbs

manning should have all that wrapped up though shortly...he's on pace for 68,000 passing yds nad 460 tds...ridiculous...

[thepostman]

OK I am one that hates how the media hypes people up...they are in love with Farve, its true...but he is one of the best qb's in history, maybe not top 5, but top 10 easy....there is no logical argument that will deny this....

As for Marino, I am a HUGE Dolphins fans and I loved Dan...but regardless no matter what position you play if you don't win a championship your greatness is diminished a little bit, and sadly that is what happens with Dan...I agree to a point, but no matter how you cut it he is one of the top 5 greats...I can't say greatest simply because of that lack of a championship...and its not because he is a QB, its because that is just how I feel when ANY player lacks a championship...no matter if he played on MY team or not....

[RubberMallet]

i give dan the benefit of the doubt though....the man only had 1 runningback ever go over 1000 yds...(adbul jabar) and his best wide out was mark frikkin clayton.....clayton, duper, mcduffie, and fryar were his most prolific wr's....pitiful

he also only had maybe 5 good defenses.....the rest were either horrible or middle of the pack....

[thepostman]

oh you're right, he had some bad defenses, and the running game was never anything to be proud of....i thought the wide outs were decent, but that could be just Dan making them look good...I still wouldn't give Dan the title greatest QB ever...top 5 for sure though, no doubt about that

[kel varson]

I really think where Favre lacked was team leadership...and character qualities. Those intagibles separate some of the others.

pffwahahahahahah

What kind of a person takes a dive to allow another player to "earn" a record. The same kind that will get drunk before a big game and play with a hangover.

one play where he was 99% going to get sacked is what you base that off of?

you should probably just stop trying

I also base it on the fact the he has played pitiful in the playoffs. His post season record is 2-5 over the last 8 years.

The great ones rise up in the post season. Even Marino was 8-10 in the playoffs, while playing for much weaker teams. Favre was a lot like Jeff George. He had a great arm, but he never really reached his potential, due to his poor team leadership. The examples are numerous: Remember when Favre dogged his teammate (No. 1 receiver I might add) over salary issues. As if Favre didn't make enough moolah himself. This guy is a joke!

[thepostman]

the fact that you put Farve in Jeff George in the same category tells me a lot....sad....Farve wasn't the great QB ever, but he was very talented and without a doubt in a different class then Jeff freaking George....geez

[RubberMallet]

I really think where Favre lacked was team leadership...and character qualities. Those intagibles separate some of the others.

pffwahahahahahah

What kind of a person takes a dive to allow another player to "earn" a record. The same kind that will get drunk before a big game and play with a hangover.

one play where he was 99% going to get sacked is what you base that off of?

you should probably just stop trying

I also base it on the fact the he has played pitiful in the playoffs. His post season record is 2-5 over the last 8 years.

The great ones rise up in the post season. Even Marino was 8-10 in the playoffs, while playing for much weaker teams. Favre was a lot like Jeff George. He had a great arm, but he never really reached his potential, due to his poor team leadership. The examples are numerous: Remember when Favre dogged his teammate (No. 1 receiver I might add) over salary issues. As if Favre didn't make enough moolah himself. This guy is a joke!

yeah i'd stop if i were you...favre was 11-9 in the playoffs...

never reached his potential??? poor team leadership?? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about...this man's teammates would proablaby put their life on the line for him...

he told his wr to get out on the feild and play....favre has never held out, and he had 2 solid seasons before asking for money and that was a free agency deal not a holdout...

jeff george? pfff hahahahah

[jmdickens]

I hope he plays until he cannot throw a football....

[RubberMallet]

it will be interesting to see if he comes back....it certainly seemed like he was done....however....

they were 5-3 in the last half of the season....favre put up respectable #'s and cut back on int's...driver is healthy and jennings is a solid #2 and a good deep threat....they have a great backup in morency if green goes down and their o-line was fairly solid....their defense is iffy but its young and after some decent drafting should be better next year....

in the terrible nfc they could be a contender...

plus the fact he could possibly break some more marino records...