[olldflame]

No explanation should be needed. Everyone who knows anything about college sports should know paying players and having liberal transfer rules is a bad idea. This is college, not NFL, NBA or MLB.

Same "explanation" you always give, which is basically "This is the way I think it should be. It should be obvious to anyone. Anyone who disagrees is wrong." In a lot of cases, that would be almost everyone BUT you.

[ballcoach15]

No explanation should be needed. Everyone who knows anything about college sports should know paying players and having liberal transfer rules is a bad idea. This is college, not NFL, NBA or MLB.

Seems like a lot of people involved with running college sports thinks it’s a good idea. Seems like the Justice system thinks it’s a good idea as well. But you going right to a logical fallacy argument is so you. Keep up the good work

All those people are just attempting to be "politically correct", right now. Just a matter of time before it filters down to people wanting high school players to be paid, and then down to youth leagues.

[ballcoach15]

We need to have a real Debate on this issue. We can borrow Cider's Quiz Bowl practice facility, and have him be the Moderator.

[olldflame]

No explanation should be needed. Everyone who knows anything about college sports should know paying players and having liberal transfer rules is a bad idea. This is college, not NFL, NBA or MLB.

Seems like a lot of people involved with running college sports thinks it’s a good idea. Seems like the Justice system thinks it’s a good idea as well. But you going right to a logical fallacy argument is so you. Keep up the good work

All those people are just attempting to be "politically correct", right now. Just a matter of time before it filters down to people wanting high school players to be paid, and then down to youth leagues.

Actually, it looks more to me like you are the one bending over backwards to be "politically INcorrect" in the face of logic, common sense and basic fairness.

[olldflame]

We need to have a real Debate on this issue. We can borrow Cider's Quiz Bowl practice facility, and have him be the Moderator.

Real question. Who else would be on your "team"? As far as I can see (from discussion on this board anyway) you are pretty much on your own.

[ballcoach15]

Remember the Republican Debates after President Trump entered the race , he was on his own.

[thepostman]

No explanation should be needed. Everyone who knows anything about college sports should know paying players and having liberal transfer rules is a bad idea. This is college, not NFL, NBA or MLB.

Clearly an explanation is needed. If you aren't going to provide one I'll assume you haven't really thought this through enough to give an educated response.

Also a student athlete should be able to transfer school just as easily as any other college student. A student athlete should be able to make money from their own likeness just like any other college student. I am not saying schools should pay athletes. But I have never understood why a kid signing an endorsement deal somehow makes college athletics worse. If anything it may keep a few I school a little bit longer. Which would help improve level of play. Crazy!

[olldflame]

Debate is not the same as Quiz Bowl, but I think Cider could probably still confirm that "no explanation should be needed" would not be a winning argument in a "real debate"

[Purple Haize]

No explanation should be needed. Everyone who knows anything about college sports should know paying players and having liberal transfer rules is a bad idea. This is college, not NFL, NBA or MLB.

Seems like a lot of people involved with running college sports thinks it’s a good idea. Seems like the Justice system thinks it’s a good idea as well. But you going right to a logical fallacy argument is so you. Keep up the good work

All those people are just attempting to be "politically correct", right now. Just a matter of time before it filters down to people wanting high school players to be paid, and then down to youth leagues.

I don’t think you fully understand what this measure means. High School kids can receive air fare and per die. From shoe companies to attend Tournaments of many sports. I know of one traveling softball team who pays their high school players so they don’t have to have jobs in the summer.
I’m not sure how being justly compensated for the commercial use of your image or likeness is being “politically correct” but I do see that your Elizabeth Warren streak is showing. You keep nosing out of your socialist closet

[tyndal23]

Mixed feelings on this, can of worms and should/will be regulated at a national level - NCAA makes the most sense but congress already sniffing around - if they are smart it would be to set guidelines with NCAA but with federal guidelines for any institution receiving fed $ which would be 100 percent at FBS level. title 9 will rear its big ugly head asap. Congress will over play power and make it so group of top 30 plus schools can’t break away and create super league and it will all tie in to fed funding. Will be interesting to watch

[ballcoach15]

It all boils down to a certain segment of society that wants to destroy college sports.

As for Title IX, it will have a larger stake in all this crap, than most people realize.

College is for education. Sports is for playing the game and trying to win championships.

I wish everyone could have heard Hershel Walker on Paul Finebaum Show yesterday.

[TH Spangler]

Change the rules in the nfl. Let kids good enough and money hungry to sign out of high school. Develop them on the practice squad. Keep college the way it is.

[Purple Haize]

It all boils down to a certain segment of society that wants to destroy college sports.

As for Title IX, it will have a larger stake in all this crap, than most people realize.

College is for education. Sports is for playing the game and trying to win championships.

I wish everyone could have heard Hershel Walker on Paul Finebaum Show yesterday.

So how does the owner of Tuscaloosa Nissan paying the Local college QB to be a spokesman for his dealership effect Title IX?

[thepostman]

I can certainly see a scenario in which the government could try to get involved but that is a slippery slope as male athletes tend to make much more in endorsements than women. There are a few obvious exceptions to that but as a rule men tend to make more on endorsements. So if the government tired to regulate endorsements for college athletes due to inequality in pay then they'd have to tackle it in all forms of entertainment and I just don't see them wanting to go down that road.

[Purple Haize]

I can certainly see a scenario in which the government could try to get involved but that is a slippery slope as male athletes tend to make much more in endorsements than women. There are a few obvious exceptions to that but as a rule men tend to make more on endorsements. So if the government tired to regulate endorsements for college athletes due to inequality in pay then they'd have to tackle it in all forms of entertainment and I just don't see them wanting to go down that road.

When you separate institutional money from private money things get murky

[ballcoach15]

The private money is where problems will arise, beginning on day one. Unethical and illegal recruiting will be the norm for rogue schools.

[Purple Haize]

The private money is where problems will arise, beginning on day one. Unethical and illegal recruiting will be the norm for rogue schools.

But if it’s allowed how is it illegal? And how does it violate Title IX?

[thepostman]

The private money is where problems will arise, beginning on day one. Unethical and illegal recruiting will be the norm for rogue schools.

It's statements like these that make is perfectly clear you don't understand what the changes and what they mean. Either that or you aren't actually reading up on the subject and you are just spewing nonsense.

I'm not even trying to explain it to you anymore because there is plenty of great resources out there.

[JK37]

Did someone say debate?

It all boils down to a certain segment of society that wants to destroy college sports.

No, they don’t. They want to CHANGE college sports. You just simply don’t like the changes.

As for Title IX, it will have a larger stake in all this crap, than most people realize.

I’m not going to trust you to tell me what “most people” do or do not realize. You still haven’t verified any fundamental understanding of what change in NCAA policy means.

College is for education. Sports is for playing the game and trying to win championships.

Following your logic, then, why not do what you said in your first statement and literally DESTROY college sports? If college is for education, why have it connected to sports at all?

The red herrings and straw men you employ on a consistent basis tell me one thing: when it comes to debate, you need to sit down with Jim and get COACHED UP!

[BJWilliams]

The private money is where problems will arise, beginning on day one. Unethical and illegal recruiting will be the norm for rogue schools.

It's statements like these that make is perfectly clear you don't understand what the changes and what they mean. Either that or you aren't actually reading up on the subject and you are just spewing nonsense.

I'm not even trying to explain it to you anymore because there is plenty of great resources out there.

are...Im surprised Cider didn't catch that

[thepostman]

My grammar has always been terrible. Come around more often beej! No need to swoop in just to make a grammar correction and then ghost us! Always enjoy your insight.

[flamesfilmguy]

I want to preface this long post by saying that the NCAA probably has no intention of ACTUALLY allowing the athletes to be paid. This is a smokescreen and an attempt(a very bad one) at finally getting some good PR before bombs are dropped all over college basketball either this spring or summer when all the investigations are over.
With that being said I think its worth exploring. I don't believe the actual institutions should be dolling out paychecks to athletes. However as someone who sees athletes helping rake in money for the universities they play for and the NCAA , I think its worth at least attempting to make a little more fair to the college athletes. I want you to know that a college scholarship DOES NOT equal to enough payment for what a college athlete (especially in a revenue generating sport) goes through for 3-4 years. I think the labeling of college athletes as indentured servants is a stretch at best and a dangerous misrepresentation at worst. HOWEVER, I dont see a problem with students making their own money outside of school. I remember a walkon at OSU basketball had a blog called the Club Trillion, the kid was hilarious and could have definitely made money off his blog. Some of these guys and girls have youtube channels that they should be able to profit from. heck let them do a car commercial or two so I don't have to see coaches benefiting from their car endorsement deals that are already written into their fat contracts. NCAA athletes are talented not just on the court or field. Let them make money how they want.
The caveat to all this is trusting the regulating body to actually come up with rules and regulations that would make this fair play for all athletes at all schools. and THAT is where my main issue with all this is. the NCAA is not capable of enforcing their own rules. Case and point the running joke at my employer " The NCAA is so mad at Kansas for breaking the rules that they punish us for it." The NCAA has gotten so money hungry that they are letting their flagship money making institutions get away with 4 Tier one violations while making "an example" out of other institutions that (in the sight of the overwhelming majority) are guilty of minor violations comparatively speaking. it will take YEARS for either a new governing body or the NCAA to clean house before this ever becomes a thing. If it ever does.

[ballcoach15]

I just heard a Ohio State football player is being held out of Saturday's game, because of an NCAA issue. Supposedly has something to do with repaying a loan for a family friend, taken out before or during freshman year according to a tweet from player.

I hope NCAA requires them to forfeit every game he has ever played in.

Doesn't sound good for Ohio state. But NCAA will probably slap him on back of wrist with a feather.

[ballcoach15]

Apparently he got a loan from family friend.

(better known as Buckeye Booster)

[ballcoach15]

Apparently he got a loan from family friend.

(better known as Buckeye Booster)