[LUconn]

It's SAT practice test time! Please finish the seqence of names below by following the pattern:

Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, ____________


I'll give you a hint. Each of these were quarterbacks who looked really good at one point, but it was later exposed that the team they played for ran a system that hid their craptacular skills.

[bigsmooth]

idiot post by a bengal fan......big ben had a bad game, but i will tell you he has something that your boy carson palmer does not have...a super bowl ring! to lump ben with those other QB's shows lack of football intellignence. when the bengals do wina championship, then run your piehole all you want.

[LUconn]

you can't discount my football intellegence because Ben has a ring. They could have won that game with a monkey at QB which wouldn't been much off a dropoff looking at his superbowl performance. Basing championships as your factor for greatness is something ESPN radio has fed you. Is Rothlesburger better than Marino? Is he better than Manning? Is Trent Dilfer better than them? He's the starting QB of a Super Bowl winning team.

I'm lumping him in with those QBs because I'm observing a trend that is now the last 4 Steeler QBs. Neil O'Donnel led them to a freaking superbowl. 1 game shy of what gentle ben has done. I think you steelers need to face that you have a system that doesn't need a good QB to function. When you only have to pass 10 times a game and you don't turn it over, you look good. But when you turn it over.... Pittsburgh runs you out of town (see the last 3 QBs).

[bigsmooth]

LUconn, if you want to make a case about ben if they dont make it to the playoffs this year fine, but after two sub par efforts that is obviously something ESPN fed you my friend. ben is a solid QB who performs well in the system who without him, they would not have made it to the playoffs. did i say he was better than marino or manning? if ben had not thrown the picks the steelers most likely would have won the game, but that would sound like an excuse. take joy that you were given the game bengal fan, and if you win it all then run it all you want. til then it is all blah, blah, blah.

[thepostman]

ahhh the age old question, "Is he officially great until he's won a super bowl" well the answer to that is complicated. I do believe you can have great TALENT, but to be considered greatness you need to win championships. No matter the position played if you haven't won a championship it will deminish you career. Dan Marino was an amazingly GREAT TALENT, but is greatness is diminished some because of the lack of a Super Bowl win. I am a Dolphins fan and loved Dan Marino, but its the truth......and this doesn't just go for QB's it goes for any position, they can be a Great Talent, but until they get that ring, that next level of greatness can not be had....Trent Dilfer was not a GREAT talent, but he is looked upon in a better light now because of the super bowl win then he would have otherwise.....anyways, that is my 2 cents on this

[RubberMallet]

trent dilfer got a superbowl ring too!

[Rocketfan]

I know the Bengals won, but 3 turnovers by Palmer and Parker/Haynes rushing for 150+ yards was not impressive. I did think Pittsburgh did a nice job on Rudi though with less than 50 yards. This game could have gone either way, with both teams making some key mistakes. I wouldn't be bragging if i were a fan of either right now at least.

[PAmedic]

Sticking w/ my earlier prediction that Philly beats Cincy in the 'Bowl this year.

Pittsburgh got flat-out out-played yesterday, you big sissies

[prototype]

It's SAT practice test time! Please finish the seqence of names below by following the pattern:

Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox, ____________


I'll give you a hint. Each of these were quarterbacks who looked really good at one point, but it was later exposed that the team they played for ran a system that hid their craptacular skills.

I agree - I think Ben is the most overrated QB in the History if the NFL. He stinks. He's a big guy and a great system. Put him with the Lions and he would have the same stats as he has the last couple of weeks. He just threw himself off his bike, had a appendectomy to take everyone's focus off his playing ability.

If Pittsburgh had Dilfer as QB - they would have not lost the last two weeks.

[TallyW]

Ben is killin' me. He's my fantasy QB this year. It was him or Mark Brunell. Brunell had a career day yesterday and look what Ben brought home:

B. Roethlisberger
(Pit - QB)
1.71pts

[bigsmooth]

please give me the stuff you smoke proto. most overrated QB in the history of the NFL?? what a reach. tom brady is also a system QB.....no that he has zero receivers, you see where he is. ben went 14-1 as a rookie, and as i said before they would not have made the run they did last year without him. if you people can't see that your'e blind. all you haters take your shots now. i can't believe after a couple bad weeks the haterade is being consumed in mass quantities. BTW medic(eagle fan= steeler hater)...outplayed??? hardly, ben threw the picks that resulted in points, and special teams miscues. that is not outplayed, they gave it to them, and the bengals capitalized. with that said the bengals did what they had to do to win, they capitalized on turnovers.

[SuperJon]

Ben's a system quarterback. Brady's a system quarterback. Delhomme is a system quarterback.


Carson Palmer's better than all of them.


Peyton Manning is even better than that.

[RubberMallet]

ben went 14-1 as a rookie

kyle orton also took the bears to the playoffs as a rookie.....

[RubberMallet]

did anyone else see brady leave faulk out to dry late in the game....thats rough

[TIMSCAR20]

I am not a Big Ben fan but I think he is better than what we are representing on this board but far less than what he is given credit for. As far as the criteria for greatness in a team sport, there are many guys that deserve to be called great that don't have championships. Marino is a poster boy for that as well as Manning but there is still time. Truthfully the most over rated QBs of today are Jake Delhomme, Brett Favre, Mike Vick and Marc Bulger. The most underrated is Matt Hasselbeck and Donovan McNabb. McNabb takes more heat than any QB with the record and stats he has. He is amazing and I am not saying that as a biased Eagles fan. He is one of the top QB's in the game but will not get his due until the Eagles win a championship. Marino and Manning will be considered as among the best ever even if Manning never wins it all. Everything has to come together for you as a team to win it all. For Marino that just never happened. For Montana, Aikman etc. it did.

[LUconn]

if you people can't see that your'e blind. all you haters take your shots now. i can't believe after a couple bad weeks the haterade is being consumed in mass quantities. BTW medic(eagle fan= steeler hater)...outplayed??? hardly, ben threw the picks that resulted in points, and special teams miscues. that is not outplayed, they gave it to them, and the bengals capitalized. with that said the bengals did what they had to do to win, they capitalized on turnovers.

Well, if I may give myself credit, I have been saying this since the last game of his rookie season and I'm sticking to it. Sure he had a good game here or there but so did Kyle Boller. I certainly didn't think the team could win the Superbowl overcoming his deficiencies but unfortunately they did and it blew a hole in my theory. But as key people have gone elsewhere due to salary cap and contract issues, the Steelers just aren't as good and they can't overcome it this year.

[bigsmooth]

now you comapre big ben to kyle boller? and another poster compared him to kyle orton? you people are seriously crazy. go back to bengal la la land LUconn and hope that you can do something other than win in the regular season.

[prototype]

OK - I'm no where near a Pittsburgh hater. I really don't have anything against them or Ben. I have a problem with a guy coming from a little school that instantly people start calling him Big Ben and anointing him a first ballot Hall of Famer. There are many QBs that are good, look what Batch did in his place. WOW - that has not been brought up.

SCAR overrated - you put down Delhomme, Vick, and Farve? I would take any of those guys over Ben any day of the week. Vick has his hang-ups but changes games. I sat in the stands as he ripped the Bucs - he was in a different league. I will admit - I'm not a huge Vick fan, he has not proved to be the smartest QB of all time with his decisions in the past. He looks different this year. Delhomme is a great QB. Has all the skills to be a top 3 QB in the league this year. Farve - what does he have to work with? He is one of the best QBs to ever play in the NFL. The only knock on him now is he needs to retire - he's to old to play with the talent around him.


Tom Brady does play in a system - I'm the first to agree with you - but he really makes mistakes - that's the difference between Ben and Brady. And Brady's system throws more and depends on more reads than Ben. What did Ben average last year through those 6 games - 12 throws?

[prototype]

So you really are saying that Pittsburgh would draft ben over Palmer if they had a chance big smooth?

[Rocketfan]

ESPN RADIO - just started this debate and is taking calls!

[RubberMallet]

now you comapre big ben to kyle boller? and another poster compared him to kyle orton? you people are seriously crazy. go back to bengal la la land LUconn and hope that you can do something other than win in the regular season.

you were the one throwing out superbowl rings and rookie records....which i proved don't mean jack when it comes to whether or not a quarterback is good or not....

arguing with homers is pretty pointless.....your quarterback is a retard whos lucky to be alive....i'm surprised he could even get a motorcycle moving in the firstplace let alone crash one into a car...

[ALUmnus]

McNabb underrated? Didn't he sign the biggest contract in league history a few years ago? Doesn't the football media love him to death? In their eyes, Donovan can do no wrong. But that's coming from a Philly guy, so I understand. And it's getting old to hear everyone jump all over Favre. For the most part, League MVPs have always been earned, and he has multiple. And even with the terrible teams that he's had the last few years, he's still gaining on Marino's numbers. People love to point out the madden love-fests, but madden knows football better than most. Favre deserves the credit he's gotten.

Oh yeah, Ben isn't really all that great. He's good, but hasn't shown he's a great passer.

[bigsmooth]

blah, blah, blah mr. mallet. are you a bengal fan?? what did you prove??? nothing. the bottom line is big ben has had two bad games. the media annointed him to the status he has, and you people who want to throw him under the bus because of that makes no sense. then you rip him b/c of his motorcycle accident? yeah it was dumb to ride w/o a helmet, but many do. i am fairly objective, and the stats he has put up and his success in the playoffs tell me he is not overrated, but you bashers think otherwise,so great enjoy yourself. i have never once said on this board that he is a hall of famer or anything of the sort. he does what he needs to do to win the game. proto, to answer your question about the draft, who knows, but im happy pittsburgh has ben. BTW proto, here are your stats my man

2005 post-season
vs cincy 14-19 208yds 3 td 0 int
vs indy 14-24 197yds 2 td 1 int
vs denv 21-29 275 yds 2 td 0 int
vs sea 9-21 123 yds 0 td 2 int

[Rocketfan]

I am afraid there are a LOT of people who disagree with you, even Steeler fans, as least on ESPN radio. I am sure Ben is licking his chops for 5 weeks from now when he plays at OAKLAND - there he can pad some of his stats. HAHA

[RubberMallet]

blah, blah, blah mr. mallet. are you a bengal fan?? what did you prove??? nothing. the bottom line is big ben has had two bad games. the media annointed him to the status he has, and you people who want to throw him under the bus because of that makes no sense. then you rip him b/c of his motorcycle accident? yeah it was dumb to ride w/o a helmet, but many do. i am fairly objective, and the stats he has put up and his success in the playoffs tell me he is not overrated, but you bashers think otherwise,so great enjoy yourself. i have never once said on this board that he is a hall of famer or anything of the sort. he does what he needs to do to win the game. proto, to answer your question about the draft, who knows, but im happy pittsburgh has ben. BTW proto, here are your stats my man

2005 post-season
vs cincy 14-19 208yds 3 td 0 int
vs indy 14-24 197yds 2 td 1 int
vs denv 21-29 275 yds 2 td 0 int
vs sea 9-21 123 yds 0 td 2 int

whether or not i'm a bungle fan has nothign to do with the fact that you are blinded by your love for dufusburger

bottom line....ben didn't make mistakes, parker and bettis WERE the offense and their defense dominated.... ben is a mediocre qb...2500/17....yawn....

charlie batch and greg maddux looked solid in that offense too...