A Sea Of Red

I'm sure he's as happy as Jets fans. I'm not surprised no team traded for him. After all why give up a pick when you can get him for free.
I have no idea where he fits in, but would love to see Jax finally pull the trigger on him.

I'm still pondering the fate of the guy who won more playoff games in Denver than Manning did....

DB89 wrote:I'm still pondering the fate of the guy who won more playoff games in Denver than Manning did....

You aren't advocating Tebow is better than Manning are you?

VAGolf wrote:

DB89 wrote:I'm still pondering the fate of the guy who won more playoff games in Denver than Manning did....

You aren't advocating Tebow is better than Manning are you?

not at all, it's just odd that all he has ever done was win, and that hasn't seemed to be good enough.

Did he actually win? I'll give you that argument in basketball or hockey when you have only 4 other teammates on the court. Or in baseball when you control how every player on the opposing team hits. In football, you have 10 other teammates on the field with you. You can't play both sides of the ball either. Additionally, you have a coach who has say over every single play. No single person in the NFL is doing the winning. Having a W/L column for QB's is stupid. Sure, it's the most important position on a team but what is a QB without 5 guys protecting him? What's a QB without 3 guys to catch the ball? What's a QB without RB's to carry some of the load? What's a QB without direction from the coach?

I guarantee you, if Tebow actually had any potential to be a DECENT QB, he would still have an NFL job somewhere.

Tebow finding a job in the NFL is like Liberty trying to find a conference. We know we can do it but no one wants to give us a chance.

Wondering how long until Tebow retires and becomes an assistant coach at a college somewhere.

Tebow also isn't willing to do much else other then play QB which seems incredibly ridiculous to me, but the Jets knew what they were getting a decent role for him in my opinion and didn't deliver. I don't quite understand that.

Tebow is an athlete and could benefit a team playing multiple positions, but both sides need to be willing to do that.

VAGolf wrote:Did he actually win? I'll give you that argument in basketball or hockey when you have only 4 other teammates on the court. Or in baseball when you control how every player on the opposing team hits. In football, you have 10 other teammates on the field with you. You can't play both sides of the ball either. Additionally, you have a coach who has say over every single play. No single person in the NFL is doing the winning. Having a W/L column for QB's is stupid. Sure, it's the most important position on a team but what is a QB without 5 guys protecting him? What's a QB without 3 guys to catch the ball? What's a QB without RB's to carry some of the load? What's a QB without direction from the coach?

I guarantee you, if Tebow actually had any potential to be a DECENT QB, he would still have an NFL job somewhere.

He took the Broncos to the playoffs. Fact. But all the owners are so focused on the fact that he doesn't throw the ball just like Mel Kiper told him too.

thepostman wrote:Tebow also isn't willing to do much else other then play QB which seems incredibly ridiculous to me, but the Jets knew what they were getting a decent role for him in my opinion and didn't deliver. I don't quite understand that.

Tebow is an athlete and could benefit a team playing multiple positions, but both sides need to be willing to do that.

Agreed. It sounds like many teams would be willing to use him at other positions. I've heard FB, Short yardage, slot receiver and TE. The "experts" say he could play QB in the CFL. Therefore he has to decide, would he rather play in the NFL or play QB?

I have heard the CFL thing too, but I thought that was an even more pass friendly kind of league then the NFL. Wouldn't that hurt him even more?

Purple Haize wrote:

thepostman wrote:Tebow also isn't willing to do much else other then play QB which seems incredibly ridiculous to me, but the Jets knew what they were getting a decent role for him in my opinion and didn't deliver. I don't quite understand that.

Tebow is an athlete and could benefit a team playing multiple positions, but both sides need to be willing to do that.

Agreed. It sounds like many teams would be willing to use him at other positions. I've heard FB, Short yardage, slot receiver and TE. The "experts" say he could play QB in the CFL. Therefore he has to decide, would he rather play in the NFL or play QB?

So either he goes to the CFL (which he already has offers for) or he comes out as gay to play here.

Cider Jim wrote:Wondering how long until Tebow retires and becomes an assistant coach at a college somewhere.

First thing I said when I heard about this -- I asked my wife what she thought the over/under was on Tebow getting an assistant position at Liberty.

For all of the humility that people praise Tebow for, he's being pretty arrogant in refusing to change positions.

SuperJon wrote:For all of the humility that people praise Tebow for, he's being pretty arrogant in refusing to change positions.

what? one has nothing to do with the other.

DB89 wrote:

VAGolf wrote:

DB89 wrote:I'm still pondering the fate of the guy who won more playoff games in Denver than Manning did....

You aren't advocating Tebow is better than Manning are you?

not at all, it's just odd that all he has ever done was win, and that hasn't seemed to be good enough.

oh good grief

RubberMallet wrote:

SuperJon wrote:For all of the humility that people praise Tebow for, he's being pretty arrogant in refusing to change positions.

what? one has nothing to do with the other.

I think it's arrogant to continue to think someone should give you a shot at playing a position that everyone knows you won't be successful at. He had his shot and it didn't work. It's arrogant to think he knows better than anyone else. He's by all accounts an incredible person and Christian but I feel as though this one act is arrogant. I don't say that as an indictment on him, just this situation.

that doesnt make any sense. do you know what humbleness and arrogance are? arrogance is an attitude. i think hes a crappy qb but i dont think he sticking to his guns can be construed as arrogant or non humble by anyone who understands their meaning.

its a guy who wants to be a qb. if there was a position i wanted at work that was possibly not attainable yet i exhausted all resources in my quest to meet that goal. how again does that make me not humble. there is no correlation.

who wants to get their brains beat in as a te, fb, or rb. any attempt to paint it in a light that hes selfish or arrogant is just silly.

DB89 wrote:

VAGolf wrote:

DB89 wrote:I'm still pondering the fate of the guy who won more playoff games in Denver than Manning did....

You aren't advocating Tebow is better than Manning are you?

not at all, it's just odd that all he has ever done was win, and that hasn't seemed to be good enough.

That's exactly why you don't attribute a team stat to an individual (just like giving wins to pitchers in baseball). Tebow is arguably the worst QB statistically in NFL history to get as much playing time as he did. He's a great leader, but a putrid QB.

The run in Denver was fun, and inexplicable on a number of levels, but that's over now and most likely so is Tebow in the NFL.

thepostman wrote:I have heard the CFL thing too, but I thought that was an even more pass friendly kind of league then the NFL. Wouldn't that hurt him even more?

You would think so, but the CFL rules might actually benefit him. His WRs would be moving before the snap which would get them into their routes quicker, the DL has to line up a full yard off the line of scrimmage making it take longer to get to the QB, and players are smaller so he'd be able to take less of a pounding when scrambling. Granted, his biggest weakness is passing, but the CFL game might mitigate that a bit and allow him to actually develop some ability to read defenses and anticipate plays.

Ben Roethlisberger, lets look at him. Never has a pretty stat line, but what does he do? Win. Tell me how successful his career has been? Or was it just luck?

NotAJerry wrote:

DB89 wrote:

VAGolf wrote:
You aren't advocating Tebow is better than Manning are you?

not at all, it's just odd that all he has ever done was win, and that hasn't seemed to be good enough.

That's exactly why you don't attribute a team stat to an individual (just like giving wins to pitchers in baseball). Tebow is arguably the worst QB statistically in NFL history to get as much playing time as he did. He's a great leader, but a putrid QB.

The run in Denver was fun, and inexplicable on a number of levels, but that's over now and most likely so is Tebow in the NFL.

Except this "team stat" (W-L) has an exact A/B comparison. The B being Orton as the starter. Too much of a sample size to chalk it up to just being inexplicable. I'm also not going to claim some cliche like "he just wins" or something like that but everybody is just too quick to ignore that season. He's not the traditional QB that most would want and I understand why you wouldn't want to build your team around that, but playing unorthodox doesn't mean you can't be successful over the long course of a game. I think he proved that, and really wasn't ever given the chance for that to be proved wrong.

jbock13 wrote:Ben Roethlisberger, lets look at him. Never has a pretty stat line, but what does he do? Win. Tell me how successful his career has been? Or was it just luck?

Tebow and Roethlisberger? Really? That's a laughable comparison.

SuperJon wrote:For all of the humility that people praise Tebow for, he's being pretty arrogant in refusing to change positions.

Just like the Pope......