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Yeah, this is all kinds of stupid ... both figuratively & literally.

USA Today wrote:Grinnell College's Jack Taylor scores NCAA record 138 points
From staff reports

11:06PM EST November 20. 2012 - Grinnell College has been known to put lots of points on the board in basketball games over the years. The Division III school's "five-in, five out" run-and-gun style helps the team score over 100 points a game on a nightly basis.

Grinnell defeated Faith Baptist 179-104 on Tuesday night, but it was Jack Taylor's night that made history.

Taylor scored 138 points to set an NCAA single-game scoring record.

Taylor made 52 of 108 shots from the field, including 27 of 71 from 3-point range. He made 7 of 10 free throws.

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And I checked, and the Faith Baptist Bible College listed is the old GARBC school in Ankeny, IA that I am sure Haize balled against back in the day. Interestingly Faith refers to the game as an exhibition on their school's schedule.

You beat me to it. Somewhere Bevo Francis is saying 'Ball Hog!"

Never heard of Faith Baptist Bible. But did play Grinnell a couple of times. Was also Asoc Pastor at Faith Baptist Church

EDIT- now I did hear of Denver Baptist. We had a kid transfer from there. He lasted about 2 weeks.

Faith was one of the old independent Baptist stalwarts along with GRBC, Cedarville & BBC of Clarks Summit. But that was decades ago.

I've been in the gym in Rio Grande where Bevo put up the old record. We used to play Word of Life tourneys there when I was in junior high.

Sly Fox wrote:Faith was one of the old independent Baptist stalwarts along with GRBC, Cedarville & BBC of Clarks Summit. But that was decades ago.

I've been in the gym in Rio Grande where Bevo put up the old record. We used to play Word of Life tourneys there when I was in junior high.

Pistol Pete and Bevo were 2 people I wish I could have seen play in their prime

This doesn't surprise me. Combine the gimmick basketball system that doesn't win tournament games (not even conference tournament games!) they run with the one annual game they use to create headlines for one player and garbage like this is bound to happen. They did the same thing last year with Griffin Lentsch when he scored 80+ and do it nearly every year. When VMI was dropping 100 point games all the time, this was the exact same junk they were running.

That's what they said about the spread offense in football.

Purple Haize wrote:That's what they said about the spread offense in football.

The difference is that the spread wins games. This system has consistently failed everywhere it's been implemented, and it's been used at more than just a couple handfuls of schools. The problem with the system is it literally encourages zero defense after the first 10-15 seconds on the shot clock if not turnover is forced. I've seen numerous teams running this stuff, and they practically force you to score if they can't force an early turnover. Can't jack up 100+ shots if you try to play defense all 35 seconds. Some of these spread football teams actually play defense for more than half a possession, and the ones that don't don't win the big games very often.

I believe you are overlooking the influence this style of play has created. Everyone thought Gerry Glanville was crazy for, among other things, his run and shoot offense. Then look at how more and more college programs ran a variation of it and now you are seeing it more and more in the pros.
Can Grinnells style win a Championship in its 'perfect form' ? Maybe one day. But that style has influenced countless programs, some of whom won Champioships.

Sly Fox wrote:I've been in the gym in Rio Grande where Bevo put up the old record. We used to play Word of Life tourneys there when I was in junior high.

In southern Ohio, that's pronounced {Rye-O Grand}, isn't it, Sly?

It is indeed, CJ. There are anglicized Spanish names of communities up and down the Ohio River for some reason. Phoenix lives close to BYOON-uh VIST-uh. Then again, isn't that the name of the little town with the Mormon college on the way to Lexington on 501?

Purple Haize wrote:I believe you are overlooking the influence this style of play has created. Everyone thought Gerry Glanville was crazy for, among other things, his run and shoot offense. Then look at how more and more college programs ran a variation of it and now you are seeing it more and more in the pros.
Can Grinnells style win a Championship in its 'perfect form' ? Maybe one day. But that style has influenced countless programs, some of whom won Champioships.

I'm not overlooking the influence. I'm talking about "the system". The system, not the ones that have been influenced by it, is a sham of a basketball system that never wins anything. If the system consists of voluntarily allowing teams to score after 10-15 seconds, so you can get the ball back, it's a sham that is destined to fail. I saw the exact same system at a different school (Emory & Henry) for several years, and it's a complete joke.

There's a reason why you never see any high quality teams at any level running this gimmick. Sure, you may see some teams taking parts of the system and tweaking it into their program's philosophy, but teams that consistently win when it matters most don't run the system.

Only way the system will ever work long term in the NCAA Tournament is if it is tweaked to the point where teams play defense for the entirety of a possession, and then it's not the pure system because then a team won't be able to reach the offensive goals required of the system. It's impossible to reach the offensive goals of the system by playing defense consistently for full possessions, the game isn't long enough to accomplish the goals by doing that.

Sly Fox wrote:It is indeed, CJ. There are anglicized Spanish names of communities up and down the Ohio River for some reason. Phoenix lives close to BYOON-uh VIST-uh. Then again, isn't that the name of the little town with the Mormon college on the way to Lexington on 501?

Yes, and it drives me crazy.

ALUmnus wrote:

Sly Fox wrote:It is indeed, CJ. There are anglicized Spanish names of communities up and down the Ohio River for some reason. Phoenix lives close to BYOON-uh VIST-uh. Then again, isn't that the name of the little town with the Mormon college on the way to Lexington on 501?

Yes, and it drives me crazy.

Back when he was dean of students at LU, Eddie Dobson pastored a church there. When he first arrived, he apparently tried to edumacate the locals as to the correct pronounciation of the towns name. He quickly discovered that was a bad idea, and even used BYOONA VIHSTA from then on when he talked about the church at LU.

Here is a good read on why this is a "sham": http://deadspin.com/5962514/?utm_campai ... socialflow

Is it a publicity stunt? Sure. Loyola Marymount ran this for several years and Phoenix Mercury did a hybrid as well. However, this article is redonkulous.
For starters, how many coaches want to have a successful book, video and speaking side business. That would be all of them.
Second, how do you define success? He has had 10 or more wins every season but 5, in a 20+ year career there. Prior to that they had a nice run of double digit wins......in the 1959's
What other D3 college has played a prime time game on ESPN?
The game plan for a record breaking attempt isn't every game, just one or two a season. I mean no other team goes out of their way to help a player break a record, that would just not be right. ( I'm looking at you LA, Philadelphia, Chicago and UCONN)
Grinnell usually subs 4 or 5 at a time. Not sure why he brought that up.
What? Fouling a player to shoot free throws? I've never heard of such nonsense.
Allowing a team to score so you can get the ball back? Preposterous
Taylor STILL had to make those shots. He shot 38% from behind the line and 49% from the floor. Look at the video, not all of his shots were wide open. He hit several tough ones. But the fact remains, HE HIT THE SHOTS.
Is this the greatest basketball feat ever? To me, no. Is it impressive? Absolutely. If you think last nights scoring was a joke, this article is a bigger one!

EDIT: and Rio Grande and LSU designed their entire offense for 1 player, not just the occasional game.

Regular season wins are all fine and dandy if you are content with being a second or third rate basketball program. Grinnell has only been to the NCAA Tournament twice in it's entire history and very rarely ever even makes it to its conference tournament championship game. You know how many times historically awful Lynchburg College has been to the NCAA Tournament? Two times. All those regular season wins and they can't even get to the NCAA Tournament more times than freaking LC has, and LC has only has two winning seasons in my lifetime, and I've been on this earth for 28 years.

The system is a cute little gimmicky way to generate headline while never amounting to anything as a basketball team outside of the regular season. That's the way it has been and the way it always will be unless some team gets so much offensive talent that they are truly unguardable, and that isn't happening.

taylor whateverhisfaceis would of been dealing with a broken nose once he hit the 50 pt mark if not earlier if i was on the floor.

i saw some highlights....no double team? really?

lynchburgwildcats wrote:Regular season wins are all fine and dandy if you are content with being a second or third rate basketball program. Grinnell has only been to the NCAA Tournament twice in it's entire history and very rarely ever even makes it to its conference tournament championship game. You know how many times historically awful Lynchburg College has been to the NCAA Tournament? Two times. All those regular season wins and they can't even get to the NCAA Tournament more times than freaking LC has, and LC has only has two winning seasons in my lifetime, and I've been on this earth for 28 years.

The system is a cute little gimmicky way to generate headline while never amounting to anything as a basketball team outside of the regular season. That's the way it has been and the way it always will be unless some team gets so much offensive talent that they are truly unguardable, and that isn't happening.

How many people have heard of Grinnell? How many people have heard of Lynchburg College? That's success right there. It's D3 and a high academic school in IOWA. You need to do something to set yourself apart. They are doing it. I would love to see someone look at the shot chart and try to duplicate his efforts in the same amount of time. Have you ever shot 100 times in a session? If you have you know it's tough. Then try it with a hand in your face. So give the kid props for knocking the shots down. This is just the other end of the spectrum from the benighted Dean Smith and his 4 Corners.

Rubber- there is a reason I had five fouls and always used 4 of them

Purple Haize wrote:

lynchburgwildcats wrote:Regular season wins are all fine and dandy if you are content with being a second or third rate basketball program. Grinnell has only been to the NCAA Tournament twice in it's entire history and very rarely ever even makes it to its conference tournament championship game. You know how many times historically awful Lynchburg College has been to the NCAA Tournament? Two times. All those regular season wins and they can't even get to the NCAA Tournament more times than freaking LC has, and LC has only has two winning seasons in my lifetime, and I've been on this earth for 28 years.

The system is a cute little gimmicky way to generate headline while never amounting to anything as a basketball team outside of the regular season. That's the way it has been and the way it always will be unless some team gets so much offensive talent that they are truly unguardable, and that isn't happening.

How many people have heard of Grinnell? How many people have heard of Lynchburg College? That's success right there. It's D3 and a high academic school in IOWA. You need to do something to set yourself apart. They are doing it. I would love to see someone look at the shot chart and try to duplicate his efforts in the same amount of time. Have you ever shot 100 times in a session? If you have you know it's tough. Then try it with a hand in your face. So give the kid props for knocking the shots down. This is just the other end of the spectrum from the benighted Dean Smith and his 4 Corners.

Rubber- there is a reason I had five fouls and always used 4 of them

Sure they gained a lot of publicity, they get a lot just because of the system. You know what good that has done on the court for them? Basically zero if they can't even do any better than LC in the postseason. They'll always be the school that scores a ton of points and never wins anything other than regular season games as long as Dave Arsenault is running the system.

It is putting fans in the seats. For some schools that's pretty much all they are looking for.

You make my point. Look at the record before he got there and look at it now. He's gotten to the tournament twice and increased attendance and recognition. More teams have NOT won games in the tournament then have. So if that is your only measure there are very few successful programs out there.
But again, this kids effort was pretty cool

Purple Haize wrote:How many people have heard of Grinnell? How many people have heard of Lynchburg College? That's success right there. It's D3 and a high academic school in IOWA. You need to do something to set yourself apart. They are doing it.

Finally, something that Purple and I can agree upon! BTW, great use of the rhetorical question.

The primary purpose of D3 athletics is to boost student enrollment. That is why there are a slew of freshmen on all the rosters. Hoops coaches aren't just recruiting players, their primary job is to bring in those athletes as tuition-paying students. Regardless of postseason success I suspect there are more than a few students enrolling at Grinnell hoping to be coach's favorite to make a run at scoring records.

Sly Fox wrote:The primary purpose of D3 athletics is to boost student enrollment. That is why there are a slew of freshmen on all the rosters. Hoops coaches aren't just recruiting players, their primary job is to bring in those athletes as tuition-paying students. Regardless of postseason success I suspect there are more than a few students enrolling at Grinnell hoping to be coach's favorite to make a run at scoring records.

Yes but it's still not better than LC. Ha

being somewhat near the area, i've heard of both colleges. more so the coach of grinnell who pretty much uses his coaching at grinnell as a stepping stone to promote his awful books about his stupid strategy of how to win basketball games.

this guy and his team is a 3 ring circus of stupid. they press to get the steal, if they get it they chuck up 3's with a few guys while the other 3 guys go for o-rebounds. if they get it, even if they are wide open for a 2 pt shot they chuck it out for the 3. and they just keep shooting them. usually only 1 guy on the floor is going to shoot. if the other team gets through the press they basically have an easy wide open shot.

it only works this well on rrrreally bad teams. fbc is like 200-300 students i think. i could probably enroll and walk on right now.