A Sea Of Red

They play this Saturday at Fed Ex Field. I'll be there. Who do you think will be the better QB over the next five years? I'm a die-hard Skins fan and I think RGIII will make us competitive but Luck looks poised to be a Hall of Famer. Do you think RGIII can develop a good enough passing game to be a great NFL QB? I think Luck is a sure bet and everything is in the air but very possible with Griffin.

Luck played a more pro-style offense in college, so he should be the better QB over the first 5 years. RGIII is already farther along than I thought he would be. They're both going to be elite, but Luck has a head start due to college.

Luck. They are both excellent. However, the Colts organization has experience and success in building teams around elite QBs in the recent past.

As a Skins fan, I think RGIII will be a great asset. That said, it appears that Luck is going to be an elite talent for years.

Luck, because it's on his side.

As Robert Griffin he'll be elite. As RG3, no.
You can't be an elite qb with a dumb nickname.

As for who of the two will be better, I think most of it will depend on what's built around them.

Luck, and I don't think it will even be a close competition. That's not to say RGIII won't be a fine NFL QB as he certainly has that potential, but Luck has looked like he is en route to being in the best-of-the-best group plus the Colts organization is just worlds better than the Redskins.

I love seeing the positions taken. Skins fans believing RGIII can do no wrong. Colts homer Haize obviously convinced Luck is destined for immortality.

I'm just enjoying seeing a couple more kids I saw playing high school ball here in Texas being viewed as the next big things.

All I know is that I'm seeing nothing but rave reviews about Luck thus far. Either he is doing stupendous right now or no one wants to say anything bad about him.

lynchburgwildcats wrote:All I know is that I'm seeing nothing but rave reviews about Luck thus far. Either he is doing stupendous right now or no one wants to say anything bad about him.

According to SLY's logic the reports are from Colts homers!

Purple Haize wrote:

lynchburgwildcats wrote:All I know is that I'm seeing nothing but rave reviews about Luck thus far. Either he is doing stupendous right now or no one wants to say anything bad about him.

According to SLY's logic the reports are from Colts homers!

The Colts aren't Tim Tebow, why have I read/heard glowing reviews about him from ESPN then?! lol

Well, I just found Kirk Cousins' dad roaming around the stadium and I got to talk to him for about 5 minutes. By far, one of the coolest moments I've experienced at a Redskins game.

I know it's just preseason, but everything I'm seeing from both of these kids makes me think their low end potential is as a good starting QB.

After one half of play, it's becoming increasingly clear that each's supporting cast will have great influence over their early career success. Luck's O-Line has failed him a couple of times, and RGIII has proven his ability to evade trouble with his legs. Luck has orchestrated a couple drives with nice throws in the 10-15 years range. RGIII has made three long passes downfield, and completed none, but I don't mind because they were not underthrown. At some point, though, he and the receivers will need to connect.

The Redskins need a bigger downfield threat. If one of the myriad o receivers in camp can make some big plays, that'll earn him a spot. Moss is totally a slot now, so who is going to be the downfield threat?

JK37 wrote:The Redskins need a bigger downfield threat. If one of the myriad o receivers in camp can make some big plays, that'll earn him a spot. Moss is totally a slot now, so who is going to be the downfield threat?

Morgan if his knee is healthy or maybe Aldrick Robinson.

My goodness these replacement refs are terrible. How do you call a guy for a late hit out of bounds, when he was three yards in bounds? Good thing it doesn't matter, but during the regular season, that penalty could change a game. Those of you who watched Tebow last year know what I mean.

NotAJerry wrote:

JK37 wrote:The Redskins need a bigger downfield threat. If one of the myriad o receivers in camp can make some big plays, that'll earn him a spot. Moss is totally a slot now, so who is going to be the downfield threat?

Morgan if his knee is healthy or maybe Aldrick Robinson.

And don't forget Pierre Garcon. He is a deep threat.

Garcon can make the spectacular catch. It's the average hum drum catch he struggles with.

Just got back about an hour ago.

My unbias thoughts as a Redskin fan:

RGIII has a ton of potential, could be a future HOF QB but don't expect immediate results and understand that he may bust. Obviously this description fits about every NFL rookie QB ever but it couldn't be more true for RGIII. My favorite thing is his ability to create plays. On several occasions, we had plays that I thought were dead and he just created something from nothing, finding ways to get first downs. This was huge throughout the game, I don't think people really understand his speed and creativity until they see him live. However, his biggest downside currently is his arm. He has a cannon but it isn't very accurate. Several times, we had one on one coverage or open receivers and he over through them. At least this isn't the Rex Grossman underthrow (he was fantastic tonight btw), or the who know's where it may end up Brunnel pass, it's still not very accurate. He also doesn't seem comfortable throwing those long passes, he's great with the 7-13 yard passes. With that said, I think that will improve over time. He doesn't look anything like VInce Young, Matt Leinhart, Tim Tebow, Tavaris Jackson or Jason Campbell. He's very smart, has a cannon, amazing speed and read defenses really well tonight. My only other negative came on a play when he scrambled for a first down but had a man open 20 yards down field. I'll take the first down any day, but I'd rather see him make the throw since he's a QB.

For Andrew Luck, he is actually very underrated. His ability to read a defense and make picture perfect throws is ridiculous. Numerous occasions saw plays where he just picked the defense apart, most of his incompletions were drops that should have been caught too. I think there were 3 or 4 of those. Really impressed with one play where he's being taken down by two defensive players and he delivers a bullit on the money to a TE. That was one of the drops but the ball was right in his hands. Also, I think Indy is already really close on this offense. Their receivers look really good and TY Hilton is going to be nasty. Need some help on the o-line but I really think they are set for the next decade, provided there are no injuries.

I feel confident that Luck is poised for a better carreer but it's very early with both of these guys. Indy has a better organization and I like the pieces that they're giving Luck. RGIII has a lot of potential but I think he needs to be molded into a more traditional QB that can also run. He seems to rely on his run too much and that could ultimately hurt him. He's smarter than Vick though and he has the ability to launch the ball unlike Vince Young.

The Colts have a very workable schedule this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Indy won 7 or 8 games. The Redskins, however, have a brutal schedule and I would be surprised if we won more than 6 games. I think that's okay though as we really need to draft a deep threat. The posession receivers seem to be taken care of but we don't really have anyone who is a threat for those big 20+ yard plays.

Wasn't there another poster on here who thought RG3 was a run first QB?

Nothing I saw yesterday makes me think RG3 is run-first. More willing to do so than Luck? Absolutely. But who took more sacks yesterday?

So he missed a guy 20 yards downfield after he'd committed to the run. One, he'll see it on film. Two, he still got the first down! I think he's much closer than the MAJORITY of quarterbacks in the league in his ability and recognition to hitting that open receiver 20 yards downfield. His throwing ability on the run Is VERY good. Once he sees on film what he had downfield, it won't be a problem.

Purple Haize wrote:Wasn't there another poster on here who thought RG3 was a run first QB?

And remember when NotAJerbear called him a racist for saying he was a run first QB?

Griffin ran 1 time for 5 yards.

He was pass first all day long and every one of his scrambles involved him looking for the pass the entire time. He tucked and ran 1 time. He was sacked 0 times. Not sure how someone could watch yesterday and think he ran too much.

jbock13 wrote:

Purple Haize wrote:Wasn't there another poster on here who thought RG3 was a run first QB?

And remember when NotAJerbear called him a racist for saying he was a run first QB?

Yeah what was that guys name. Hmmmm. CJ something Fan wasn't it?

JK37 wrote:Nothing I saw yesterday makes me think RG3 is run-first. More willing to do so than Luck? Absolutely. But who took more sacks yesterday?

So he missed a guy 20 yards downfield after he'd committed to the run. One, he'll see it on film. Two, he still got the first down! I think he's much closer than the MAJORITY of quarterbacks in the league in his ability and recognition to hitting that open receiver 20 yards downfield. His throwing ability on the run Is VERY good. Once he sees on film what he had downfield, it won't be a problem.

Exactly. Griffin just needs to get his timing on the deep balls with the WR corps. He was great on the deep ball in college but doesn't have a deep threat like Kendall Wright on this roster (Wright only ran a 4.61 at the combine). Garcon is a 4.4 guy, and did put up an 87 yard catch last year, but I think he's more of a catch and run guy than pure deep route runner. With that said, the mere threat of the deep ball is something the Skins haven't had for a few years.

Griffin ran once yesterday. It's laughable to say he was running too much.