A Sea Of Red

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... index.htm.

Sorry if this has been posted prior.

A few interesting quotes.

In 2001 university president Robert Sloan kicked off a $600 million master plan called Baylor 2012, which was dedicated to the proposition that a Baptist school can become an institution on a par with Cal or Stanford—and need not shed its faith to achieve national eminence.

"Notre Dame has done it in the Catholic world," says Larry Lyon, dean of Baylor's graduate school. "And Catholics have over 1,000 years of intellectual history in which the church and philosophy and science coexisted. We don't. Baptists have 200 years of anti-intellectualism: That's our entire history. If Baylor does not become a great Protestant research university, there will never be one."

Griffin showed that Baylor could win and remain true to its mission; that its quarterback could say, "God obviously has a special place in his heart for this university" without the world laughing in his face; that it could recover a bit of the soul it lost a decade ago. "He's just one in a million,"

In October 2010 one of his key receivers, Josh Gordon, was arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession. The charge was dropped and Gordon played out the season, but last July he was suspended indefinitely for violating team rules. Griffin, with teammates Terrance Ganaway and Elliot Coffey, visited Baylor president Ken Starr in his office and argued for mercy—if only to allow Gordon to remain a student. "We felt that, as a Christian school, we [should] not be like everyone else and ship these guys off when they encounter adversity," Griffin says. "Because Jesus never gave up on anybody."

Awesome, hope they stick to it. This is a great thing for Liberty...nothing better than being motivated by others.

Baylor is a research institution. Liberty is a teaching institution.

Purple Haize wrote:Baylor is a research institution. Liberty is a teaching institution.

Do not confuse people with facts...Although I love both schools since I have family from both.

What do you mean?

Hold My Own wrote:What do you mean?

Research Universities have scholarly research to make changes in academia, medicine, public policy, engineering, etc....Get some federal funding too. LU does do research but not the magnitude of say UVA or Vtech

that is, our primary goal is educating undergrads not doing research to get money.

flamesfan30 wrote:that is, our primary goal is educating undergrads not doing research to get money.

Well if we are getting money through FEDERAL LOANS, why not try the research method?

Are there certain strings attached to the research grants???

Hold My Own wrote:What do you mean?

A teaching institution teaches students what other people have written down.
A research institution is where people write the stuff down.
To put it simply.
When I was in undergrad we had a lot of books. In grad school, I was taught by the people who wrote the books! Actually on a side note, when I was in grad school in the US the profs cited a lot of foreign authors. When I was in grad school overseas I was taught by them and they were quoting my profs back in the States! The best was coming BACK to the States and having info not yet published in the US and being able to cite class notes from the author!

I get all of that, I just wasnt sure what Dicken's comment about confusing people with research meant.


Yes, Dickens. There are tons of strings attached for research grants, money put towards trying to obtain the grant (with a possibility of not getting it) and quite a bit of follow up after the grant has been received to make sure you're staying compliant. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs but I've asked the same question before because we used to go after quite a few grants and I know we no longer pursue them in the same fashion as we used to.

Hold My Own wrote:I get all of that, I just wasnt sure what Dicken's comment about confusing people with research meant.


Yes, Dickens. There are tons of strings attached for research grants, money put towards trying to obtain the grant (with a possibility of not getting it) and quite a bit of follow up after the grant has been received to make sure you're staying compliant. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs but I've asked the same question before because we used to go after quite a few grants and I know we no longer pursue them in the same fashion as we used to.

This is why I ask the experts

jmdickens wrote:

Hold My Own wrote:I get all of that, I just wasnt sure what Dicken's comment about confusing people with research meant.


Yes, Dickens. There are tons of strings attached for research grants, money put towards trying to obtain the grant (with a possibility of not getting it) and quite a bit of follow up after the grant has been received to make sure you're staying compliant. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs but I've asked the same question before because we used to go after quite a few grants and I know we no longer pursue them in the same fashion as we used to.

This is why I ask the experts

Let me know when they get here.

jmdickens wrote:

Hold My Own wrote:I get all of that, I just wasnt sure what Dicken's comment about confusing people with research meant.


Yes, Dickens. There are tons of strings attached for research grants, money put towards trying to obtain the grant (with a possibility of not getting it) and quite a bit of follow up after the grant has been received to make sure you're staying compliant. I'm not sure of all the ins and outs but I've asked the same question before because we used to go after quite a few grants and I know we no longer pursue them in the same fashion as we used to.

This is why I ask the experts

And finding quality grant writers is by no means a walk in the park as well. I wouldn't know from experience, that is just what I've always heard from every academic or non-academic institution that deals with grants.

Once you do one, the rest are a lot easier. There are a lot of boiler plate requirements that if you are in the same discipline make it easier.

Baylor's athletic run is nothing short of remarkable. I cannot diminish their success of the past 18 months. Art Briles is an amazing coach who inherited a once in a lifetime athlete. Kim Mulkey is as goods they get in the women's game. But ...

Scott Drew's reputation here in Texas hoops circles couldn't be much lower. The program is viewed as perhaps among the dirtiest in college hoops.

The Robert Sloan listed in the story was unceremoniously run out of Waco for guiding the school too close to its Southern Baptist underwriters. He's now leading Houston Baptist into the FCS ranks after being vilified by the BU faculty that was aghast that he would try to force them to teach crazy ideas like inherency of Scripture and allow Creationists in their midst.

Suffice it to say, Baylor only claims to be Baptists when they need another check from the churches. Most Southern Baptists in Texas consider Baylor only mildly different than SMU or TCU in regard to religious affiliation.

I'm happy for my Baylor alum family & friends sincenthey have been a punchline for most of the past half century. Butvmaking comparisons to LU arebgoing to be a stretch ... At least I hope that is the case in most regards.

Sly Fox wrote:
Suffice it to say, Baylor only claims to be Baptists when they need another check from the churches. Most Southern Baptists in Texas consider Baylor only mildly different than SMU or TCU in regard to religious affiliation.

I'm happy for my Baylor alum family & friends sincenthey have been a punchline for most of the past half century. But making comparisons to LU arebgoing to be a stretch ... At least I hope that is the case in most regards.

You summed it up well!

Purple Haize wrote:Baylor is a research institution. Liberty is a teaching institution.

I still think LU could beat them in Quiz Bowl.

Cider Jim wrote:

Purple Haize wrote:Baylor is a research institution. Liberty is a teaching institution.

I still think LU could beat them in Quiz Bowl.

Because yo do a great job having your team memorize what others say!

I hope LU hoops doesnt become the home for second chances.

Having a career and Jesus Christ will change the world...

BuryYourDuke wrote:Teaching universities prepare people for careers. Research universities prepare people for careers and change the world. I've never gotten why we don't aspire to be a research institution given our mission and all.

I agree. But that would mean more faculty, tenure, sabbaticals etc. something Liberty has historically not embraced.

4everfsu wrote:Having a career and Jesus Christ will change the world...

For the record, the undergrad experience at a teaching university far exceeds the same experience at a research university. Having real degreed professors teaching in class over kids who just took the class a few semesters before is obviously stronger.

Obviously postgrad is where the research schools have a decided advantage.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... e-donation

Photos of stadium are on facebook

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 496&type=1

Wow.
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2 ... ll-stadium